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Hi to everybody,

I am new to astrology but very keen on. I am with rising. And in 1st house!

I have been going through a hard period in my life, many up and downs; and somehow I met with astrology and started to take online course. We are using whole sign as our lecturer told us that it is the oldest (Hellenistic) approach.

As I mentioned, I am quite new; just finished planets, signs and houses and came to aspects now.

I am not working now, but looking for a job for 6 months. I saw people in my filed, around me easily find jobs, jump one another. But, I have always been the one who have hard times to do that. Maybe is at work, maybe , not know yet.

It is great to find this community because as I am new and have many questions sometimes.

I am also very much interested in manual calculation, math behind astrology such as calculation ASC manually. If you have any recommendation please let me know where I can start.


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Hi to everybody,
I am new to astrology but very keen on. I am with rising.
And in 1st house!

I have been going through a hard period in my life, many up and downs;
and somehow I met with astrology and started to take online course.
We are using whole sign
as our lecturer told us that it is the oldest


(Hellenistic) approach.


Hi hello welcome SandPaw


INTRODUCTION TO HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY Part One - Zodiac
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121654

INTRODUCTION TO HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY Part Two -Seven Stars
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121671

INTRODUCTION TO HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY Part Three - Theoretical Considerations
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121676


INTRODUCTION TO HELLENISTIC ASTROLOGY Part Four - Nativities
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=121677
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As I mentioned, I am quite new;
just finished planets, signs and houses and came to aspects now.
I am not working now, but looking for a job for 6 months.
I saw people in my filed, around me easily find jobs, jump one another.
But, I have always been the one who have hard times to do that.
Maybe is at work, maybe , not know yet.
It is great to find this community

because as I am new and have many questions sometimes.
https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=126556
http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...os/1B*.html#19

forum members are given the designation "Senior Member"
after posting a certain number of comments
not that many

keep in mind that because ours is an astrological learning forum
where members practice astrological skills free
no one is paid therefore responses to threads
are often from members who are beginners like yourself
with little or no experience
keen to learn by practice
members are encouraged to discuss interpreting their own charts to learn by practice
we also have members with many years of astrological study completed
members have day jobs
and those of our members who are professionals
do not provide a complete professional reading for free


these are instructions HOW TO ATTACH A CHART
TO YOUR POST ON THE FORUM
https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology
MOBILE
1) Once you generate the chart image using your favourite website, copy the image address
2) Upload the image to Imgur using the following URL:

https://imgur.com/upload
3) Once the chart is uploaded to Imgur, click on 'Copy' or 'Embed Post'
4) Paste the Imgur image location to forum post

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1) Once you generate the chart image using your favourite website, copy the image address
2) Click on the Attachment icon (if you don't see it, select 'Advanced' posting first)
3) New window will open, paste the image address, click Upload button, close the window

if that is for some reason not possible
then
another option is, after creating the natal chart
then save the chart to your desktop
then when on the thread click to edit your post
then scroll down to the Attach Files box
then click on Manage Attachments
and follow the instructions on the screen to upload your chart that way

We have a modernist board AS WELL AS a traditional board
and then
the rest of our forum is composed of GENERAL ASTROLOGY THREADS




all are welcome - whether a TRADITIONAL astrologer or a MODERNIST astrologer
and
our forum hosts BOTH perspectives ON SEPARATE BOARDS

i.e.
our MODERN BOARD completely excludes traditional astrological comment
and
our TRADITIONAL BOARD completely excludes Modernist astrological comment

i.e.
We have a modernist board AS WELL AS a traditional board
and then
the rest of our forum is composed of GENERAL ASTROLOGY THREADS

i.e.
whether a member is using Vedic astrology
Chinese astrology, Western Sidereal Astrology,
Modernist Astrology Traditional Astrology
ALL perspectives are welcomed on our General Astrology board threads
and any member
may comment on our GENERAL ASTROLOGY BOARD using ANY astrological methodology




our HELP WITH FORUMS AND SUGGESTIONS board is at
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...splay.php?f=22


to be clear then
our TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY ONLY board
is at
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...splay.php?f=92

For discussions on Traditional Astrology only.
Note: Typically, traditional astrology is defined as using techniques developed prior to 1700 by astrologers from the Hellenistic, Persian, Hebrew, and Renaissance eras.
Specifically it relies on Ptolemaic aspects sextile, trine, square, opposition and conjunction
and excludes modern planets Neptune, Uranus and Pluto
non-Ptolemaic aspects, as well as any asteroids.
The focus is less on what would be considered modern psychological chart interpretation
and more on prediction.
Members who wish to explore a combination of traditional and modern ideas
should feel free to start a new thread in an appropriate forum for further discussion.

our MODERNIST ASTROLOGY ONLY board
is at https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=95
For discussions on Modern Astrology only.
Note: Typically, modern astrology is defined as using techniques developed around the late 1800s by Theosophists.
Specifically it relies on psychological, evolutionary, karmic, and non-western interpretation approaches
and includes Neptune, Uranus and Pluto
and non-Ptolemaic aspects.
The focus is more on psychological chart interpretation instead of prediction.
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Re: Love from here...

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I am also very much interested in manual calculation,

math behind astrology such as calculation ASC manually.


If you have any recommendation
please let me know where I can start.



CALCULATING A NATAL CHART BY HAND
EXAMPLE FROM KEN WARD'S ASTROLOGY PAGES
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_d...ns/calcGMT.htm

Astrology: Calculating the Chart - UT or GMT.

QUOTE
'.While few people are actually going to work out astrological charts by hand, that is, using paper, pencil,
it is important to know how to do it
because unless an astrologer spends a great deal of time doing charts by hand,
they will never fully understand astrology.
By doing charts by hand,
one begins to understand more about the movement of the planets
and how they combine to affect the lives of people on Earth.
Astrology is a sacred science
and by doing the mundane routine things,
our minds enter a meditative state
wherein we realise things we might not have been able to know or understand otherwise....'

The tools you require to make a horoscope
in addition to writing and drawing tools
are an atlas and an ephemeris
An ephemeris is a book or booklet containing information about the positions of planets, etc.
The information you require is the date and time and place of birth.
The place of birth is expressed in longitude and latitude.
Universal Time
or Greenwich Mean Time
is required to calculate the positions of the planets.

Hand and/or computer calculating
does not always yield exactly to the minute and second
the same results as from astrological software

In fact,
not all astrological software yields exactly to the minute-second the same results
as another astrological software
,
thus a small amount of error is accepted by exams.....'
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Hi to everybody,

(Hellenistic) approach.

PATRICK WATSON
Hellenistic Planetary Divisions Calculator
https://patrickwatsonastrology.com/store/
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Thank you JUPITERASC

I will go deeper...


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Welcome SandPaw, I no longer subscribe to some of the methodology JA shared, written by me a Hellenistic siderealist at the time. I switched to a certain form of tropical astrology some time ago - https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...d.php?t=130820 , heavily inspired by Ptolemy, though with some changes - http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html

Although my methodology has been heavily streamlined, I can answer a lot of unrelated (to my methodology) questions you may have about Hellenistic astrology on the traditional astrology board too, as I have studied that material a lot.

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I am also very much interested in manual calculation, math behind astrology such as calculation ASC manually. If you have any recommendation please let me know where I can start.
Are you interested in exact calculation to use for chart calculation or only in general to get a feel for the astronomy behind it, say within a degree? If it is the latter, you can use a rising times table and divide the times by 30 (like the one here does https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology), or more accurately use a table of right ascension for each degree, and add an ascensional degree to the Ascendant for each four minutes of a time. If the rising time of a sign is 30 ascensional degrees, then that sign rises in 2 hours, if 20 in 1 hour and 20 minutes, if 15, in 1 hour etc. The early Hellenistic astrologers used this method, although it is approximate since the rising time of the sign is not uniform from the beginning to the end, nor is the sidereal day exactly 24 hours (it is 23 hours 56 minutes and 4 seconds - that is the time for the Ascendant to make one revolution, or rather for the zodiac to make one revolution around the earth). But this calculation is very easy and involves only simple arithmetic.

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Thank you Petrosiris

There is a huge information there

I am a newbie, and my interest in math behind raised while trying to understand my exact ASC degree as it was calculated differently from different sites & programs. Some says 2 degree in , some says 19 degree in .

Then I thought, before the programs how people were calculating it. Now, relying heavily on programs makes sense? Therefore I wonder how to calculate and create natal chart manually. I am coming from engineering background. I looked for, but could not even manage to calculate the exact Universal time manually like the ones written on charts (there is 36 min 17 sec difference). Theres should be some straightforward good explanation somewhere. And then I think, there is a way to calculate it using Ephemeris tables. But how?

The second, how these tables are constructed is another topic on my side, but I don't want to get lost, only see to have the idea.
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Thank you Petrosiris

There is a huge information there

I am a newbie, and my interest in math behind raised while trying to understand my exact ASC degree as it was calculated differently from different sites & programs. Some says 2 degree in , some says 19 degree in .

Then I thought, before the programs how people were calculating it. Now, relying heavily on programs makes sense? Therefore I wonder how to calculate and create natal chart manually. I am coming from engineering background. I looked for, but could not even manage to calculate the exact Universal time manually like the ones written on charts (there is 36 min 17 sec difference). Theres should be some straightforward good explanation somewhere. And then I think, there is a way to calculate it using Ephemeris tables. But how?

The second, how these tables are constructed is another topic on my side, but I don't want to get lost, only see to have the idea.
That kind of difference is most often due to daylight saving time. Some software check for DST automatically (they have records), some (like Valens and Morinus) require you to check manually.
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