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The black market only exists because of government regulation.
I don't care if people buy heroin or sex from prostitutes. That's their choice.
Thanks for missing the point.
The black market only exists because of government regulation.
I don't care if people buy heroin or sex from prostitutes. That's their choice.
Thanks for missing the point.
Completely disagree.
In a free market, if you're known for killing people, stealing, or anything downright immoral... people will not trust you. People will not buy from you. You will have a poor reputation. And people would probably just shoot you for shooting that guy. Because remember, it's anarchy.
And you think socialism would?? LOL
You haven't answered my question.
This is not debatable. It is a historic fact.
But how will they do this if I have the strongest army? If I shut down all opposition and remain as the only one, having the monopoly in the market, people would need to buy from me, especially if I sell something essential for their survival, even if they don't like me as a person.
And since when is capitalism moral?
No, socialism requires state in order to function. Anarchist idea is not about implementing socialism.
But we are discussing anarcho-capitalism now. My point is to show that such idea is impossible. So, how would you prevent violence in a society of self absorbed selfish people, without a state, police, court system and the army?
Read everything in post #419, including your quoted words.
You've officially became the government. You control production, freedom of speech, and everything else in between. You can tell people what they can and can't do. What is legal and wasn't legal. Because you are violating the NAP. Because you use violence and force to make things happen. You've destroyed liberty and free-will.
You keep talking about socialism even though we are discussing the impossibility of anarcho-capitalism now.
Anarchism in practice first appeared during Paris Commune.
Yes, that was my point. In order to prevent violence in anarcho-capitalist society you would need to establish a government.
You get rid of violence by promoting rational self-interest.
So, now the 'Capitalist A' gathers even bigger gang, then the 'Capitalist B' even bigger gang and so on. Eventually, you'll end up just where you started. Those big gangs are called today the nation states. They go around, robbing and killing smaller gangs (nation states).
This is possible only if everyone is willing to cooperate. But if I don't want to cooperate and I am violent, the only thing you can do is to overpower me in the battle. For large groups of violent people you would need to have even larger groups to overpower them.
...and voilà! You have the government.
Why don't you move back there then? Why did you leave if it was so great?
Apple Leo,
Ummm, there was a little thing called the Bosnian War.
Google it.
No cooperation is needed, only people's rational self-interest. People will naturally not kill others when left to their own way of doing things. And will only trade and collaborate with others to further their life and other people's lives.
Capitalism does not promote authority. It promotes selfish-interest. Not violence or altruism. You cannot have anarchy-capitalism is people threaten with violence.
I don't care. Who would even want to live in a socialist country anyway? That's something I will never understand.
"Rationally self-interested people" are aware of their interdependence with others
No cooperation is needed, only people's rational self-interest.
People will naturally not kill others
when left to their own way of doing things.
"selfishly self-interested people" are interested to further their own lives
And will only trade
and
collaborate with others
to further their life and other people's lives.
"Rationally self-interested people" are aware of their interdependence with others
and rationally co-operate with others
albeit for their own rationally self-interested reasons
That's always an optionIf you threaten me, I can kill you.
It's not the government that has the last word on killing
But under government power in socialism,
if I am threatened by the government
I have no choice but to either submit to their collective vision or die.
21st century Capitalism is authoritarianCapitalism does not promote authority.
self-interested 21st Century capitalism uses violence to gain its endsIt promotes selfish-interest.
Not violence or altruism.
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You cannot have anarchy-capitalism is people threaten with violence.