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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
and WHOLE SIGN HOUSES
Joseph Crane author of "A Practical Guide to Traditional Astrology"

shares with us his journey
through using house systems
then using no houses at all
and ultimately why he switched to Whole Sign Houses
and why you should do the same.

This conversation is timely, necessary
and brings up challenging considerations
but it also contains a rich and futuristic vision
of what Astrology can be
and
where we are going as a community
and
Why You should Switch to Whole Sign Houses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAcw56uvOgA


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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS
Judith Hill on Traditional Astrology

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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS

& SECT MATES OF THE DIURNAL SECT


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saturn is the furthest traditional planet from the sun.

.....the sun rules leo.

saturn rules aquarius because it's furthest from the sun,
and
the coldest planet.
aquarius is rigid, cold, dogmatic, impersonal
- that seems to fit saturnian energy pretty well.

saturn diametrically opposes the sun,
which also makes sense here.
that's the actual why in trad astrology.
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I like to bring this picture out now and again
because

it perfectly illustrates
the symmetry in the traditional planetary rulerships.

Notice in the picture, the planets are in descending order
and the signs follow one after the other.

The co-rulerships are symmetrical.








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^ If you take some time to really think about that, it's pretty amazing.

- In general, I have found in personal cases that

people tend to embody their traditional ruling planet
As for Saturn ruling Aquarius, consider these points:

- Aquarius is cold and aloof
- Aquarius is about the community

(community is structured, bound by traditions and regulations)
- Aquarius is opposite Leo, the ego, ruled by the Sun.

Saturn is furthest away from the Sun.
Opposite to ego
(communal again)
- Just like Capricorn expands materially
using Saturn's laws of boundaries and structures
Aquarius does so to but more so with ideas and concepts.
These signs are not stagnating in Saturn
they understand and make use of it
and there is growth happening in their sphere of influence.

- Saturn is exalted in Libra.
Thinking about that for awhile
helps you
to break loose from
the typical doom and gloom associated
with Saturn
and
understand it's rulership over Aquarius.




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Sun = planet of creativity, light and life
Sun rules Leo, and governs the height of summer




Saturn takes rulership of the signs that govern midwinter
Capricorn = its nocturnal home
and
Aquarius = its diurnal home.
Saturn is a diurnal planet
and more openly expressive in Aquarius than Capricorn
Capricorn and Aquarius = depths of winter in Northern Hemisphere
when life is inclined towards hibernation
and activities are impeded by the cold, dark environment
the influence of Saturn dominates the natural world
trees are bare, the ground is hard
Sun's light is weak and short-lived.

Winter is a melancholy time
Saturn governs the melancholic temperament.
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MORE INFO ON DELINEATING
SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS et al
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One question for clarification:

You said “Operative is angular or succedent (post-ascending)”
. Do you mean Operative is succedent?

Since Ascending here already means angular?


Operative (chrematistikos) in the Hellenistic tradition referred to both the angular and succedent places. In the sample, this would basically mean I gave two points for an angular Light, 1 for succedent and 0 for cadent. This is generally how it is treated traditionally, although there is some slight ambiguity to how operative are the succedents compared to the angles, whether it is a 50% strength, something like 66% or the like. Generally though, they are treated as operative along with the angles, while the cadents are noted as completely useless. So it may have been just a two-grade consideration, and it actually sometimes feels that way.

Note that the operative places according to some authors are different. These authors think that the 2nd and 8th place are worse than the 9th because of no aspect, but I disagree.

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Lastly, you said the Master of the Nativity holds great powers in the Egyptian tradition. Could you recommend some sources so I can look into this? Thank you.
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Petosiris seems to have defined the place perfectly, even though he spoke in mystic riddles: “The beginning, the end, the controller, and the measurement standard of the whole is the houseruling star of each nativity: it makes clear what kind of person the native will be, what kind of basis his livelihood will have, what his character will be, what sort of body <=health and appearance> he will have, and all the things that will accompany him in life. Without this star nothing, neither occupation nor rank, will come to anyone.”
Valens later disagrees, saying ''But, how is it possible for a nativity to succeed in everything or, on the other hand, to fail in everything, depending just on the houserulership of just one star?'' - Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. -
https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf - page 54

Valens quotes Nechepso and Petosiris frequently, in two places they referred to the Lot of Fortune as place (the Lots were associated with whole signs/houses) from which ''the whole can be seen'' - ruling place, powerful and controlling.





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SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS IS A DIURNAL PLANET



SECT IN ASTROLOGY
a detailed overview of the concept of sect in astrology
which is the difference between day and night birth charts.



Sect is a fundamental concept that was used in Hellenistic astrology
but it has only been recovered by contemporary astrologers
over the past THIRTY years through translations of ancient texts.

The purpose of this talk is to give a broad introduction to sect
first by establishing how pervasive the concept is in ancient astrology
and then to demonstrate how it works in practice through chart examples


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XfPLTQuB9M


In a diurnal chart
the Sun is the sect light AKA the leader of the sect
Jupiter and Saturn are planets of the Dirunal Sect.


If Saturn is above the horizon Diurnally - Saturn is happy

BUT
If below the horizon in the diurnal chart

Saturn is still of the diurnal sect
— still of the sect in favour
— but is not going to be as happy
as when Saturn is above horizon in diurnal chart


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https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...767#post920767


Appearance

When the dodekatemoria of the Hour-Marker, the Moon and the Lot of Fortune
fall in masculine images, they cause male nativities, and
they make females when they fall in feminine images.


Bibliography:
Robbins, F. E. (1940). Ptolemy: Tetrabiblos. William Heinmann, London. Retrieved from

http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/...blos/home.html
Schmidt, R. The Astrological Record of the Early Greek Sages. Project Hindsight.
Schmidt, R. Hephaistio of Thebes Apotelesmatics Book II. Project Hindsight.
Sidonius, D., & Pingree, D. (1976). Carmen astrologicum. Pingree (Hrsg.), Dorothei Sidonii Carmen Astrologicum, Leipzig.
Valens, V. Anthologia. Translated by Mark Riley. Retrieved from

https://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt...s%20entire.pdf


anyone keen to calculate dodekatemoria of the Hour-Marker,
the Moon and the Lot of Fortune
kaktuzz FREE online traditional software
is at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology



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Hello,
I just recently downloaded Morinus software and it gave me some inspiration

to create free online calculator adjusted for traditional astrology:
https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/traditional-astrology

calculator has features such as: 7 main planets; Terms; Lot of Fortune; Lot of Spirit; Whole sign houses; Firdaria periods calculator; Dodecatemoria calculator; Prenatal syzygy chart...

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next planet equally important in overall rulership of a nativity
besides Oikodespotes
aka domicile master of the chart
is
KURIOS aka Lord of the nativity.

Kurios is the executor of the agenda
that Oikodespotes aka domicile master holds.

Determination of whether

SATURN SOLE DOMICILA RULER OF AQUARIUS may be Kurios
is determined from the following candidates

1. Ascendant sign.

Establish whether any planet(s) are in the Ascendant sign
AND bounds of the ascending degree.

2. Domicile Lord of Ascendant.

3. Moon and its Domicile Lord

4. Tenth sign from ascendant and its Domicile Lord

5. Lot of Fortune and its Domicile Lord.

6. Any planets that make phasis in the chart.

include planets that make a first or second station seven days

before
or
after

nativity.

7. The bound lord of the pre-natal lunation.


Kurios aka The Lord of the nativity
is determined using the above hierarchy
AND
is also fit to conduct its business



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Ancient meanings of the houses elegantly combined
fundamental astrological concepts
such as the distinction between day and night
the benefic/malefic nature of the planets
the symbolism of diurnal motion
the rulerships and exaltations in the Thema Mundi
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NATURE OF SATURN SOLE DOMICILE RULER OF AQUARIUS


'...And he signifies travel by sea
and foreign travel [that is] far away and at great length, and bad.

And cleverness, envy and wits and seductions
and boldness in dangers and impediment, and hesitation
and being singular, and a scarcity of association with men
and pride and magnanimity and bluffing and bragging
and the subjection of men
also the managers of a kingdom
and of every work which comes to be with force and with evil and injuries

and a tendency to anger
even warriors and fettering and prison, also truth in words and esteem
and prudence and understanding
and experience, and offense, and obstinacy
and a multitude of thoughts and a depth of counsel
and insistence
and stubbornness in [his] method....'

Benjamin's Dykes' published work also contains introductions
and footnoted annotations.
For a pdf extract of material from various sections of his text see here.






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Much of Saturn's astrological interpretation can be traced
to its astronomical appearance and movement
As the outermost planet
extremes and boundaries of any kind fall under its influence
from mundane significations
ranging from gateposts, doors
thresholds and walls
international borders
skins
leather
teeth, bones, nails and hair
to the signification of personal limits imposed by fear, self-doubt
weakness
and lack of resource.
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Benjamin Dykes translation of Abu Mashars GREAT INTRODUCTION
http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/...enjamin-dykes/

SATURN wishes good to no one
And he signifies old men and weighty men
and burdens and fear, griefs and sorrow
and the complication of the mind.




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positive characteristics of the Saturnian type
may be termed the good old-fashioned values

courtesy
decorum
and propriety.

Strong Saturnian types exude gravitas and take life seriously


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SATURN in physical description
is described as 'cold and dry'
This points to little flesh on the bones, small eyes
no alluring softness in curves and dimples
the hair is not soft, shiny and bouncy
but sparse and tends towards being lacklustre, pale or dull.
The body is generally thin and angular
with prominent bone structure
but sometimes it may incline towards excess fat, due to a weak, lethargic constitution.
The countenance is downward looking
and there is often an awkward gait, a slow, hesitant movement
with little trace of a spring in the step
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Benefic and MALEFIC PLANETS in Western Astrology
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Jupiter and SATURN were called by astrologers of old
the "Great Chronocrators".
For millennia
the alignment of these two planets
has been regarded
as a significator of great social
economic
and
political watersheds - historic turning points, if you will.
hence
referred to as
"The Great Conjunction"
clearly then
Juiter Saturn conjunctions have been charted for millenia
by MUNDANE ASTROLOGERS


Jupiter's alignment with SATURN
occurs at intervals of just under 20 years
The aspect is occasionally repeated due to a retrograde
of one or both planets.
Each successive conjunction
not counting retrograde repeats
occurs at a mean advance of
approximately 243 degrees relative to its predecessor
although from one alignment to the next
this arc can vary considerably.

Every third conjunction
i.e.
once every 60 years
brings the alignment back
to its starting place, plus around 9 degrees:
this 60 year cycle is termed
FIRST ORDER RECURRENCE of the conjunction.

Every 40th conjunction - roughly once every 800 years -
brings the alignment back to within about 1 degree of its starting place:
this approximate 800 year cycle is termed SECOND ORDER RECURRENCE
aka GREAT MUTATION CYCLE



Jupiter and SATURN may both be regarded as generational planets
Jupiter takes 12 years to orbit Sun
and
Saturn takes 30 years to orbit Sun
- additionally, during their respective orbits of the Sun
Jupiter and Saturn are in conjunction only approximately every 20 years.

These specific spans of time

chime well with the accepted idea of “a generation”
being the span of time necessary before human beings are physically able
to produce a child of their own
in human terms, 'a generation' can be a variable
- that's because some produce offspring very early
and in many 'eastern' countries before their teens.

However, in 'the west' there is a tendency to initially focus on 'career'
before then producing offspring later in the 30's.
The middle ground would be those producing offspring in their 20's.
Based on those rather "rough and ready" spans of time then:

(1) A twelve year Jupiter orbit of the sun represents

those who are parents at an age considered in 'the west'
very young - i.e. 12

(2) A thirty year Saturn orbit of the sun represents

those who are parents at what is considered in 'the west'
to be a 'more responsible age' - i.e. 30

(3) A combination of the two planets in regular 20 year Jupiter-Saturn conjunctions

then represent the 'middle-ground' - i.e. 19/20

USUALLY a generation
averages about 25 years from the birth of a parent to the birth of a child
- although it varies case by case
it is generally accepted that the length of a generation
was closer to 20 years in earlier times
when humans mated younger
and life expectancies were shorter











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HOROI Project
recently launched translation series
designed bringing out all previously untranslated Hellenistic
and Byzantine
astrological sources.
although many texts
have been translated by Robert Schmidt, James H. Holden, Eduardo Gramaglia
and others
there are still works, excerpts, chapters
and
fragments
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What is more, the vast majority of these texts
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due to the simple fact
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my translations don’t and won’t appear as printed books or booklets

but are accessible as online releases.
In the present initial phase,
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I also provide freely accessible translations
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What you can find right now :

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Julianus of Laodicea
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for beginners to traditional astrology

the title of this thread is

SATURN is sole DOMICILE RULER of AQUARIUS
do not be misled by the following comment on another thread:

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There is this idea in traditional astrology that the Sun rules the solar half of the zodiac, and the Moon rules the lunar half. They split the cosmos ruling as king and queen. The Sun in the solar half can never be peregrine. The Moon in the lunar half can never be peregrine.

The brilliance and influence of the luminaries overpowers even all of the other planets combined.

Guess which side Aquarius is on?


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Saturn rules Aquarius because in ancient times

Saturn was the boundary between the real world
and the world of spirits.
Saturn was the only planet with rings
and these rings gave Saturn a portal to the higher realms.
For this reason Saturn ruled all forms of magic
and ruled the transition from mortal to immortal life.

The ring system was described as "the ring pass, not pass "
dividing line between the spirit world and the real world.
As such the attributes we give Aquarius
were in the domain of Saturn.

Saturn is the adept, those who know how to manipulate the
highest planes of existence.
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As I said, Saturn was historically
the boundary between the mundane world
and the world of spirits.







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I'm getting ready for my Saturn return (Aquarius 7H) in the next few days...


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