College courses for Zonark

Zonark

Zonark

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Well, I've decided I'd better get myself to the halls of higher learning and stop wasting my brain cells. The problem is I am having a bit of trouble narrowing down a major. From my chart, which is drawn using Whole Signs (because I like whole signs, if you'd rather me post a different version please ask), which major would I enjoy, do well at AND get the most benefit from?

I am interested in anthropology, or perhaps archaeology or paleontology. Feel free to tell me how well suited I'd be for any of those three (and which would be optimal) or if there's perhaps a better fit.
 
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astrologer50

astrologer50

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How to find your career- sticky in Vocational Forum
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32775
please give some background ie: education, aspirations, options

Money & you
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/money_and_you.php
http://www.cafeastrology.com/astrologytopics/astrology_of_money_wealth.html
career significators
http://www.librarising.com/astrology/misc/significators.html
http://www.janetboyer.com/Midheaven_in_Sagittarius.html

planets conj MC
http://rugdeeaustralia.tripod.com/id18.html
http://www.skyviewzone.com/articles/asrticle3sc.htm

Professional & Destiny
http://www.astrotheme.com/files/astrology_professional_destiny.php
sticky in vocational astrology forum
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=32775
Astro’s vocation section
http://www.babybirthchart.com/zodiac-signs/midheaven/
http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_vocation2_n.htm?lang=z

My thoughts and links on vocation
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=264759&postcount=7
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12398&postcount=1

Waybread’s thoughts on Vocation
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=264335&postcount=2

Career options are assessed by MC any planets conjunct, where the ruler of MC is placed, it’s aspects, then 2nd house ‘how you earn your money’ and planets there, ruler of cusp and where it’s placed, then 6th house of ‘type of work you do’ any planets there and how they are aspected.

Researching rulers of houses will help you understand more where I joining the dots so to speak
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/rulersofhousesinhouses.html
http://www.trans4mind.com/personal_development/astrology/LearningAstrology/housesDerived.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derivative_house
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/houserulerships.htm

http://aliceportman.com/?p=1310

May I suggest you read the 'welcome to the world of astrology’ and other ---sticky' at the top of this forum? It has some great explanations, links etc. At the top of every forum there are lots of ‘stickys’ which explain matters in that forum, along with guidelines & tips

There is a 'plethora' of information on AW, espec in the 'stickys' at the top of every forum, our Education forum and Recommendations forum to. Plus we have a good search feature,[but not foolproof obviously, so try here first] bit like google using keywords – initially select advanced and try just selecting 'titles' rather than posts
 
astrologer50

astrologer50

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research from the links above Scorpio MC and Pluto conj.

Ruler of 2nd House Aquarius/Uranus stuck in 12th (Equal house system) suggests earning money behind the scenes possibly with computer, electronics, technology. Humanitarian concerns

ruler of 6 gemini/mercury in 9th involved in Grand trine could make a good teacher. ruler of 10 in 11th suggests a large organisation, groups, or even with friends.

lack of air planets concerns me a little, but you do have 3planets in air house and a well aspected mercurty...
 
Zonark

Zonark

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astrologer50 said:
research from the links above Scorpio MC and Pluto conj.

Ruler of 2nd House Aquarius/Uranus stuck in 12th (Equal house system) suggests earning money behind the scenes possibly with computer, electronics, technology. Humanitarian concerns

ruler of 6 gemini/mercury in 9th involved in Grand trine could make a good teacher. ruler of 10 in 11th suggests a large organisation, groups, or even with friends.

lack of air planets concerns me a little, but you do have 3planets in air house and a well aspected mercurty...
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My MC and the Pluto Conjunction seem to be indicators of a destiny involved with power and authority. Perhaps I would be best suited to a course which would teach me more about power and how to use it. Political or military science, business, something of that nature. Though I'm interested in all that ancient history stuff, it might become boring to me as I do have a very strong desire to wield power. Since my North Node is in Aquarius, this may indicate a destiny involved with being a leader of some sort whose job is to serve society. This need to be within a position of power and authority is further enforced by Saturn in Capricorn (as well as Neptune and Uranus falling within Capricorn, perhaps denoting a position of spiritual, rather than governmental authority).

I have Sun Square Mars which is a strong indicator of career, though what exactly it points to I am not really sure.

9th house being tied with higher education, Mercury in Virgo falls in the 9th house.

There is a big emphasis on Earth in my chart, with the Earth grand trine (or whatever the hell that aspect is).

I have nothing in the houses of profession (2, 6 and 10) which I think points to a destiny unrelated to career, meaning I'll have to just do what I can to provide for myself while working toward some other destiny. The MC which in Placidus rules the 10th is in Scorpio, which is a strong indicator of a somewhat intangible career or destiny. It may also suggest a career that is meant to be hidden.

I need a secure environment that I am in control of to feel satisfied in life (Moon in Cancer), the central theme to my life has to do with individuality and creativity (Sun in Leo), my mental attitude is critical, sharp, philosophical and virile (Mercury in Virgo), my artistic/social qualities lie in my individuality and creativity (Venus in Leo), I can expand or develop myself in my sense of security and emotions (Jupiter in Cancer), I have obstacles related to achievement, status and hierarchy (Saturn in Capricorn), need change and experience sudden insight/change in that area (Uranus in Capricorn) and use my imagination and sensitivity in that area (Neptune in Capricorn). Power and control are themselves issues for me (Pluto in Scorpio) and I feel a general lack of power or inherent, primal power depending on the situation.

With all this information, it only seems to get more confusing! :sad:
 
Zonark

Zonark

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I think that perhaps leading some sort of internet based organization would fit me well. Something oriented toward humanitarian goals.

Oh shoot I just remembered I was working on a website idea that creates a system for political debate, open source news, political support/opposition and integrates them all quite nicely. That's what I need to be working on. :w00t:

*Smacks forehead in shock*

I am so bad with programming though, it makes almost no sense to me and I find it extremely difficult to learn. Fortunately I have many friends who are very good at that sort of thing and the money to motivate them, they just want me to concretize my ideas a bit more for them. Interesting.
 
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astrologer50

astrologer50

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Zonark said:
My MC and the Pluto Conjunction seem to be indicators of a destiny involved with power and authority. Perhaps I would be best suited to a course which would teach me more about power and how to use it. Political or military science, business, something of that nature. Though I'm interested in all that ancient history stuff, it might become boring to me as I do have a very strong desire to wield power. Since my North Node is in Aquarius, this may indicate a destiny involved with being a leader of some sort whose job is to serve society. This need to be within a position of power and authority is further enforced by Saturn in Capricorn (as well as Neptune and Uranus falling within Capricorn, perhaps denoting a position of spiritual, rather than governmental authority).

I have Sun Square Mars which is a strong indicator of career, though what exactly it points to I am not really sure. [why would just this one aspect be connected to career??]

9th house being tied with higher education, Mercury in Virgo falls in the 9th house.

There is a big emphasis on Earth in my chart, with the Earth grand trine (or whatever the hell that aspect is).

I have nothing in the houses of profession (2, 6 and 10) which I think points to a destiny unrelated to career, meaning I'll have to just do what I can to provide for myself while working toward some other destiny. The MC which in Placidus rules the 10th is in Scorpio, which is a strong indicator of a somewhat intangible career or destiny. It may also suggest a career that is meant to be hidden.

I need a secure environment that I am in control of to feel satisfied in life (Moon in Cancer), the central theme to my life has to do with individuality and creativity (Sun in Leo), my mental attitude is critical, sharp, philosophical and virile (Mercury in Virgo), my artistic/social qualities lie in my individuality and creativity (Venus in Leo), I can expand or develop myself in my sense of security and emotions (Jupiter in Cancer), I have obstacles related to achievement, status and hierarchy (Saturn in Capricorn), need change and experience sudden insight/change in that area (Uranus in Capricorn) and use my imagination and sensitivity in that area (Neptune in Capricorn). Power and control are themselves issues for me (Pluto in Scorpio) and I feel a general lack of power or inherent, primal power depending on the situation.

With all this information, it only seems to get more confusing! :sad:
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What happened age 6, as solar arc MC conj Pluto and Asc conj Saturn simultaneously. did someone disappear, die?

Saturn conj Asc will knock your confidence. You also have a cradel configuration...

Cradle configuration
two x talent triangles or minor grand trines, the outer two linked by an opposition. It seems to be a mixed blessing, with potential but to due them being easy aspects can lack the follow through to achieve. In male chats can lean towards extrovert, and in female charts passive, introvert qualities there is a need to be careful not to scatter energies without achieving much.

“The Cradle configuration has two Wedge figures in it, providing two different ways to potentially escape from the stress - or transform it into creativity”.
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/cradle_configuration.html

http://www.astrotheme.com/files/figu...ed-aspects.php
http://cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectpatterns.html
Cafeastrology calls this aspect Trapeze, which with my own research is not, but something different. The glossary below explains the differences.
http://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/astrology/I-so-TOTALLY-have-a-Cradle-2271823.asp
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1554
http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology...e_cradle.shtml

“The apex planet can be a source of great creativity that channels the stress into positive, constructive activity, although the stress of the opposition may or may not finally be resolved. The Cradle has two Wedge figures in it, providing two different ways to potentially escape from the stress — or transform it into creativity. However, with so much opportunity to avoid problems, the temptation to take the easy way out is very strong. As a result, with a Cradle configuration in their chart may find it very difficult to resolve/heal the conflicts in their life represented by the opposition”
http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/glossary/glossary_bc.htm
This last link is the best information available on this aspect
 
astrologer50

astrologer50

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Cradle cont/….
“The more the person can learn to face and resolve the conflict of the opposition, the more they will be able to use the talents and natural abilities in the Cradle in ways that are healthy, constructive and healing. On the other hand, the avoidance of problems can generate some pretty impressive creative ability, in the broadest sense of the word - not just artistic but any innovative, original or imaginative approach to the obstacles and challenges of life.”
http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/glossary/glossary_bc.htm

Cappi Asc make good managers, supervisors and administrators. Then you have a mystic rectangle.

Mystic Rectangle also know as Grand Rectangle
http://www.astro.com/mtp/mtpt82_e.htm
http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology/mysticrectangle_wedge.shtml
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
http://www.therealastrology.com/HTML/FAQS/AspectPatterns.html#Mystic Rectangle
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/aspect-patterns2.html

Sun square pluto shows a problem with father,men, authority figures. Sun square mars is wilful with a desire to control others..
 
Culpeper

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You have a grand trine including Mercury, Saturn and Mars with Saturn in the first house. In addition, Mercury and Saturn are in their domiciles and have essential dignity. This configuration is very fortunate and good for the sciences. Mercury in the 9th house often indicates teaching and here it is triplicity ruler of career in the 10th house. The three significators are in the earth tripicity. Archaeology is probably your first choice as it involves a lot of digging in the earth looking for artifacts. Then paleontology also involves looking for fossils in the earth. You did not mention geology, but that is also a good possibility. In any case, a grand trine sends many opportunities in life, and you must be ready to take advantage of them
 
Zonark

Zonark

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astrologer50 said:
What happened age 6, as solar arc MC conj Pluto and Asc conj Saturn simultaneously. did someone disappear, die?

Saturn conj Asc will knock your confidence. You also have a cradel configuration...

Cradle configuration
two x talent triangles or minor grand trines, the outer two linked by an opposition. It seems to be a mixed blessing, with potential but to due them being easy aspects can lack the follow through to achieve. In male chats can lean towards extrovert, and in female charts passive, introvert qualities there is a need to be careful not to scatter energies without achieving much.

“The Cradle configuration has two Wedge figures in it, providing two different ways to potentially escape from the stress - or transform it into creativity”.
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/cradle_configuration.html

http://www.astrotheme.com/files/figu...ed-aspects.php
http://cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectpatterns.html
Cafeastrology calls this aspect Trapeze, which with my own research is not, but something different. The glossary below explains the differences.
http://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/astrology/I-so-TOTALLY-have-a-Cradle-2271823.asp
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1554
http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology...e_cradle.shtml

“The apex planet can be a source of great creativity that channels the stress into positive, constructive activity, although the stress of the opposition may or may not finally be resolved. The Cradle has two Wedge figures in it, providing two different ways to potentially escape from the stress — or transform it into creativity. However, with so much opportunity to avoid problems, the temptation to take the easy way out is very strong. As a result, with a Cradle configuration in their chart may find it very difficult to resolve/heal the conflicts in their life represented by the opposition”
http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/glossary/glossary_bc.htm
This last link is the best information available on this aspect
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I don't know what happened at age 6 but whatever it was traumatized me so much that I remember almost nothing about that time of my life and still deal with PTSD symptoms because of it. My mother and father began fighting a lot after... whatever happened and this eventually led to them divorcing. To this day I do not know what really happened. My mother said my dad sexually abused me and I do remember him being abusive but it seems like something more, perhaps my whole family was abducted by aliens haha... Can't remember anything definitively though. Interesting that you point that out.
 
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R4VEN

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Culpeper said:
You have a grand trine including Mercury, Saturn and Mars with Saturn in the first house. In addition, Mercury and Saturn are in their domiciles and have essential dignity. This configuration is very fortunate and good for the sciences. Mercury in the 9th house often indicates teaching and here it is triplicity ruler of career in the 10th house. The three significators are in the earth tripicity. Archaeology is probably your first choice as it involves a lot of digging in the earth looking for artifacts. Then paleontology also involves looking for fossils in the earth. You did not mention geology, but that is also a good possibility. In any case, a grand trine sends many opportunities in life, and you must be ready to take advantage of them
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Culpeper, you took the words right out of my mouth.................

That Grand Earth Trine - as well as the sheer amount of earth planets on his chart - suggest to me that he should be doing something `in the earth'. That would mean archaeology or paleontology - or even geology.

Also, the MC-ruler is in the 10th house and conjunct MC. This would suggest the necessity for learning about your own power through the work you do. Given that Pluto also opposes Mars, you need to allow for being able to work alone, or at least according to your own time-table.

Also, you need to be doing research in your chosen field, rather than selling your soul to a mining or oil company!!! (Just stating the obvious!)
 
waybread

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Zonark, you have a "kite" formation pointing to your MC-Pluto in Scorpio. Saturn is also strong in your chart.

Something to do with power, for sure. How about political science? Not the theory so much as practical (earth element) stuff, like how candidates get elected, campaign finance, or environmental politics.

For sure think about why you want the degree. Should it lead to a job upon graduation? If so, then pull your degree up behind your career goal.
 
Zonark

Zonark

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You guys are really bringing me to some interesting places of contemplation! All my life I've been fixated on the planet, its past, its potential future, the balance of its ecosystems and the behavior of the creatures inhabiting it (including us humans, always got one eye glued to the geopolitical spectrum).

Destiny wise I feel saddled with a heavy burden though. I can't really explain it. I feel tied to the Earth itself. :pinched:
I tried starting a self sustaining commune on my own a few times when I was still in high school, tried to get other people enthused about it and interested in actually helping and tried being involved in a project like that with a mix of different New Agey/Buddhist type people, I was getting close to something, though what it was I wasn't quite sure.

What I want, what I really really want is to reform society to a way that is consciously aware of our intimate connection to the Earth and readily in balance with it. I don't know exactly how I'd go about that though. Certainly not alone.
 
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Zonark

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What I can say definitively is that we are drastically out of balance and if we do not correct our ways now, we will not get another chance.

I hate feeling like some guy running around shouting that the sky is falling though. It just feels like that's not something to joke about anymore and we all seriously need to put real effort into realigning with the natural order.

It's all talk from me though, I don't know how to do it myself. Part of my journey is discovering that and I think I just spend time wondering about things like college as a way of distracting myself from how scary and huge of a task that would be to try and figure out. Maybe I'm sweating a bit too much on it though, I want to remain balanced and not have this give way to mental instability or something worse like power seeking for power's sake.
 
astrologer50

astrologer50

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I have 4earth and it could also mean you enjoy gardening, or landscape gardening. That's a connection or even farming might apply. There are endless possibilities, don't let astrology define who or what you do, you are the captain of your ship......
 
waybread

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Zonark, I think your instincts are in the right place.

A big (non-astrological) question is whether you are mobile, or are tied to where you are living now. If you can move for your education, you might search now for good schools with environmental studies programs. (Environmental science programs tend to be more for science students.) Their course catalogue should be on-line, and you can see how their offerings match up with their interests. Also, a political science or economics department might just happen to have a focus in environmental policy. If you minored in geology or geography (earth science) then you would have sufficient background in the science end of things to contribute that to the social issues. A geology major will require some hard science courses like chemistry and physics.

There are also some more experimental or left-leaning colleges and universities around that might best suit your learning style. Some of them might have exorbitant tuition fees, but then such places also often have scholarships. Some place like Evergreen State in Washington, Hampshire College in Massachusetts (where you can take courses at 4 nearby colleges), Antioch, or Brown U come to mind. Also check out the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada. Beyond the front men and women in the admissions office, see if you can e-mail with or meet faculty and (ideally) students in your campus/es of interest. The students especially can tell you what the place is like for them.

(BTW I am a retired academic who did a lot of undergraduate advising, which is why I talk this way.)

And you know the old saying, "Think globally and act locally." You may not save the planet, but you can act in a way that is consistent with your values.
 
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Zonark

Zonark

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waybread said:
Zonark, I think your instincts are in the right place.

A big (non-astrological) question is whether you are mobile, or are tied to where you are living now. If you can move for your education, you might search now for good schools with environmental studies programs. (Environmental science programs tend to be more for science students.) Their course catalogue should be on-line, and you can see how their offerings match up with their interests. Also, a political science or economics department might just happen to have a focus in environmental policy. If you minored in geology or geography (earth science) then you would have sufficient background in the science end of things to contribute that to the social issues. A geology major will require some hard science courses like chemistry and physics.

There are also some more experimental or left-leaning colleges and universities around that might best suit your learning style. Some of them might have exorbitant tuition fees, but then such places also often have scholarships. Some place like Evergreen State in Washington, Hampshire College in Massachusetts (where you can take courses at 4 nearby colleges), Antioch, or Brown U come to mind. Also check out the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada. Beyond the front men and women in the admissions office, see if you can e-mail with or meet faculty and (ideally) students in your campus/es of interest. The students especially can tell you what the place is like for them.

(BTW I am a retired academic who did a lot of undergraduate advising, which is why I talk this way.)

And you know the old saying, "Think globally and act locally." You may not save the planet, but you can act in a way that is consistent with your values.
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Thank you waybread, I think environmental science would be a very good major for me to pursue. I'm looking at Hampshire as a good option, not too far from where I live.
 
Ben

Ben

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In your 16th Harmonic Chart (16H), there is a Kite Formation - consisting of sun/moon/mercury/neptune.

In your Natal Chart, there is also a Kite Formation - consisting of moon/mercury/mars/saturn.

So, no matter what choose to do in life (with your considerable Natal Kite talent) - you will not achieve your career potential unless you identify, understand and overcome the (many) "success inhibitors" shown in your 16H chart.

Ben
 
Shanti

Shanti

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Some random impressions based on various techniques western/ Vedic.

I think you are on the right track when focusing on humanitarian/intellectual profession, not technical direction.

The pluto/MC and very good 8th house could also means some research as part of profession.
Teacher/advicer role is also implied.
Not technical profession as technical planets is not dominating career.

Could have benefits in distance places or district, or traveling in work.

Good period from 26 years old and long time forward, good chance of giving rise in status.

Archeology can fit with saturn planet of archeology on ascendent and pluto on mc. but there is no good market for archeologists today in spite of long education it seems.
 
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