Your posts are funny. Reminds me of couple other posters who regularly crack me up here.
That's interesting. Can you share or perhaps PM me on how you found "Rudhyar busted Jones for changing things to fit Marc's personal agenda"?
The book is very niche and not on the same level as modern astro cookbooks, which makes the most money. When you are getting into degrees and asteroids, its a tiny, tiny percentage of people who will actually buy. So I don't think a book like that would be worth the time to publish, if one's only purpose is to make money.
Ok. I'll take your word for it. I am probably still going to use that guide, and relate it back to the charts you are hypothesizing and researching, for exploration purpose.
So far, that one still vibe with me the most, but then I've only used it for couple of natal charts, very few degrees. It's making me wonder and suspect now if all or most degree symbolism compilations, have been altered in some areas, to fit agendas.
Rudhyar wrote about his discovery of how Marc changed some of the symbols and for what reason and how He proved it in his book "An Astrological Mandala"
I've written of this in a number of threads, it might take me hours or the better part of a day to find which threads.
I suppose I might have to create a thread entirely about that.
If you'll be patient I'll try to get the text posted here but with the 100 word limitation for using published text at this forum I don't know if I'll be allowed to.
Rudhyar stated in that book that He perceived that something was amiss with the Sabian Symbols which were given to him to study by Jones... as Dane was taking a correspondence course in Astrology due to the urging and encouragement of Annie Besant [Annie was the head honcho of the Theosophists of the West Coast of the USA located in Los Angeles.] While studying the Sabian Symbols Dane was able to perceive that they represented a process of transformation, one step to the next, but that there were a number of them that didn't fit in.
Obviously Marc never even realized that or He wouldn't have changed them.
When Dane found out that Elsie Wheeler, the clairvoyant whom had re-ascertained the symbols, was alive and living in San Diego Dane drove a car down to San Diego from L.A. and made a call upon Elsie.
He introduced himself and asked Elsie if she could remember what she "saw" as to some of the particular degrees of the Zodiac? Elsie replied she could do better than that as she still had the 360 cards upon which Marc had written down the description of what she saw at the time and she let Dane examine them.
Marc was busted,
In the 1940's Dane starts writing for one of the popular monthly astrology magazines and at the rate of three or four symbols a year publishes Elsie's original symbols with His analysis and interpretations.
What this amounted to is that Marc realized He was going to be exposed and after four years of these publications they stopped.
At the rate of three or four symbols a year it would of taken Dane 90 to 120 years to have all the symbols published... so why did He even bother to start?
The answer can only be to pressure Marc. Marc gave Dane his permission to write a book on the Sabian Symbols and also his blessing, i.e. permission, to change or alter, any that Dane saw fit to. and if and when you get a copy of the book Dane wrote you will find that Dane provides the original description of any symbol Dane did alter and explains why. He did a magnificent job of it too as there are a few I would have never recognized as for what they truly represent, the very 30th Degree of Aquarius that CapAquaPis brought up in a post above being one of the foremost and so very important.
About three or four years after Dane ceased publication in that magazine Marc publishes his book on the Sabians and that was in, I think, 1952.
Dane, however, took another 30 years before his book went to publication.
Just as Lao Tzu is reputed to have said that He wished He could live to be 200 years old so as to have more time to study the I Ching before He wrote his treatise I would likely have to assume that Dane felt the same way about the Sabian Symbols.
I assume that the set Marc published in the 1950's are the corrected set and not those He was issuing in his corespondent courses.
