Not sure, but I think my analysis may have to be withdrawn. My understanding is that from a traditional viewpoint, the first thing we are supposed to do is determine if the chart is radical, that is, can be read, by evaluating the Ruler of the Hour. I regret that I failed to do that ahead of time, and, as I do it now, it appears to me that the chart is not radical, cannot be read.
Perhaps someone with greater experience will come along and find an error in my Ruler of the Chart evaluation. But if not, then I must retract my delineation and suggest that if the question is truly a pressing, considered and meaningful concern to you, please re-ask it at a later time.
Good call.
What is the hour ruler, and why is agreement important? The hour ruler is the hour watcher, and there are an awful lot of things to watch in an hour. So it seems to me that if there is no agreement between the ASC ruler and the Hour ruler it would be because the hour ruler is watching something else.
Is that how you think? That's excellent astrology right there. Incorporating the fundamental principles is key.
Which for me at least absolutely begs the questions...why does this render the chart unreadable, and can we tell from the chart what the hour ruler is watching, if it isn't the question posed? Is this just another warning for the astrologer that there is something else going on with the chart?
Aside from that Ilene, I agree with your first assessment, and I think that if we look a little harder (after or if we can answer the question about the hour ruler) we can even tell why.
Thanks for confirming the lack of agreement between the hour ruler and the ascendant. I also confess that I don't know the underlying reason why a non-radical chart should not be read, or even for sure, if it should not be read, and that was bothering me. Also, as you now raise, what the hour watcher is watching. Good questions all.
If we become satisfied that it can be read, I would be most interested to analyze more closely as to why the delineation might be correct.
It's extremely rare to cast an Horary and have the Hour Ruler out of agreement.
"Considerations Before Judgment" have a long and distinguished history of being garbled and mangled. These considerations are merely warnings to the astrologer that the astrologer may err.
That's different than the lack of Hour Ruler agreement. I think Bonatti classifies that as a Consideration but it really isn't, and it seems Lilly caught the error and corrected it.
The lack of Hour Ruler agreement indicates there's something fundamentally flawed with the Chart.
I realize it's rather unpleasant, but think of the chart as being "still-born."
I've always treated such charts as being a "Cease & Desist Order" issued by the Court of the Universe.
Am I surprised that this chart has an incongruous Hour Ruler?
No, I am not at all surprised.
That person has repeatedly asked the same question over and over and over, and has at least four charts in the last 6-8 weeks concerning a relationship with a certain guy.
Am I going on the trip? and
Will we have sex on the trip? and
Is he angry with me? and
Does he love me? are all the same question.
They are all the same question, because the out-come/end goal/end-game/desired result is a relationship with a particular individual.
Her questions have been answered...accurately for the most part....and the answer is "NO."
Note that in this chart there is a Fixed Sign Ascendant and both the Primary Significator (Saturn) and Co-Significator (Moon) are in Fixed Signs.
That isn't "NO" rather that is "NEVER."
I've always been of the opinion that when such charts arise, the Querent should stop pursuing whatever matter it might be, and if they do not, then they will suffer serious consequences such as traumatic physical injury or death. Occasionally, a bad Hour Ruler will pop up on Buying and Selling, like a used car, or on Travel and similar things.
I don't have the time to spend on it, but you all have my blessing if you want to try and figure out the mystery behind the Hour Ruler. Research in Astrology is always welcome, and I trust the both of you. The problem is going to be finding enough charts with an incongruous Hour Ruler to study.