Should the Electoral College Be Eliminated?

david starling

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http://alternet.org/2018/07/reporter-thinks-russian-hackers-changed-votes-trump

Point is, voting machines ARE vulnerable to hacking. And, the Department of Homeland Security can either prevent that from happening, or....do it themselves!

[IMO] Regardless of who wins, if the Electoral College vote-result doesn't agree with the Popular vote-result, it wasn't a fair Election. Because, in the last 32 Presidential Elections, that's really only happened ONCE, in 2016, and was due to proven illegal FOREIGN interference.* Now, iF it happens again, making it twice in a row, it would more likely be due to DHS interference.

*[In the Bush/Gore 2000 election, once the final vote-counting was finally concluded in Florida, it turned out that Gore HAD actually won BOTH the Electoral AND Popular votes, but it was too late to correct the mistake.
So, the Electoral and Popular votes DID match in 2000.]
 
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waybread

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We all remember how candidate Trump in 2016 kept telling crowds at his campaign rallies that the election would be rigged. Funny how, once he won the election, he tried so hard to thwart and discredit the Mueller investigation into that very issue.

Now he's waffling on whether he will peacefully transfer power if he loses this election, with yet more re-runs of his charges of voter fraud. Never mind the Electoral College results. He's also discussing delaying the election past November 3.

This is truly serious stuff. One of the hallmarks of American democracy for over 200 years has been the peaceful transfer of power from one presidential regime to the next.

Thankfully, Trump's talk about clinging to power has been coming out early enough that it should be possible for patriotic Americans to prevent that from happening. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R) has said it won't happen. (McConnell, however, is up for re-election in 2020, as well.)

I think all that Joe Biden has to do to win the popular and Electoral College vote is just act normal and presidential, as Trump's loose cannon proclivities are becoming increasingly bizarre and anti-Republic.
 

Dirius

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I think all that Joe Biden has to do to win the popular and Electoral College vote is just act normal and presidential, as Trump's loose cannon proclivities are becoming increasingly bizarre and anti-Republic.

How can he do that when he can't even remember... you know ... the thing.
 

waybread

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Donald Trump has been fact checked as telling over 20,000 lies to date. If even a fraction of those are not deliberate falsehoods, but merely his being mistaken or forgetting what he said earlier, Biden still comes across like the far more decent man.

The notion that Biden is slipping into dementia is simply a calumny promoted by the Trump campaign. (And previously by Bernie Sanders supporters.)

Biden can be inarticulate. He's lackluster. He'll forget something on occasion, as do we all. But I think most Americans now simply want a steady hand on the tiller of the ship of state, not more of Trump's antics-- which are costing people's lives, with his bungling of the coronavirus pandemic.

The economy cannot recover until CV-19 is more under control.
 

david starling

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Democrats have to be careful concerning mail-in ballots in States with Republican governors, who could (and very likely will) slow the vote-count until the deadline arrives, and then refuse to extend it, a la Florida in the 2000 Election.

Republican governors will also make it difficult to vote in-person in known Democratic districts. That's just a given.

This is going to be one nasty Election!
 

Dirius

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Donald Trump has been fact checked as telling over 20,000 lies to date. If even a fraction of those are not deliberate falsehoods, but merely his being mistaken or forgetting what he said earlier, Biden still comes across like the far more decent man.

The notion that Biden is slipping into dementia is simply a calumny promoted by the Trump campaign. (And previously by Bernie Sanders supporters.)

Biden can be inarticulate. He's lackluster. He'll forget something on occasion, as do we all. But I think most Americans now simply want a steady hand on the tiller of the ship of state, not more of Trump's antics-- which are costing people's lives, with his bungling of the coronavirus pandemic.

The economy cannot recover until CV-19 is more under control.
The large majority of covid19 deaths occured in democrat controlled states, in a federal republic.

But somehow, its Trump's fault. :lol::lol:
 

david starling

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The large majority of covid19 deaths occured in democrat controlled states, in a federal republic.

But somehow, its Trump's fault. :lol::lol:

"Occurred" is the correct word. In June, the number of new deaths in Blue States (with Democrats running things) went steadily downward, and that trend has continued. The Blue States have the highest population density, and got hit hardest at the onset.

The Red States have now nearly caught up with the Blue States regarding new deaths, with the number of new deaths rising sharply upward in those States over the last 2 months. The Red States have the most people refusing to wear masks and avoid crowding together, and Trump is encouraging such behavior. Doesn't he realize he's losing voters???
 

david starling

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Trump's been blase about the pandemic from the start--no big deal, it'll fade away as soon as the weather warms up. Now, his attitude is that it's the economy that really matters--and, so what if we lose 20,000 more people getting things rolling again to help him with the Election?

It's already understood that he doesn't care at all about Blue-state deaths, but it's shocking that Red-state deaths aren't fazing him either!
 

david starling

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Dirius, Trump really doesn't care about the Covid deaths. He's not feigning indifference, he really is indifferent.

That's not a characteristic of a good person. Most of his supporters are good people, and many are reluctantly beginning to realize that he's not really one of them.
 
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Dirius

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The Blue States have the highest population density, and got hit hardest at the onset.

They have a higher death percentage by infected people. This means that, regardless of population density, they are sill doing worse.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

You live in a federal republic david. The governor runs the state, and are responsible for what goes on there. Governos should have taken measures appropiate for each state's population size and resource distribution.

Democrats did a poor jobs. It isn't Trump's fault.
 

david starling

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They have a higher death percentage by infected people. This means that, regardless of population density, they are sill doing worse.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1109011/coronavirus-covid19-death-rates-us-by-state/

You live in a federal republic david. The governor runs the state, and are responsible for what goes on there. Governos should have taken measures appropiate for each state's population size and resource distribution.

Democrats did a poor jobs. It isn't Trump's fault.

Trump-goggles!
 

david starling

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Dirius, you don't realize the power of the Presidency in this country. The President literally sets the tone, the emotional climate, the "atmosphere".
Trump dropped the ball, that's all there is to it. And he still hasn't picked it up. (Baseball metaphor, not soccer!)
 

Dirius

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Dirius, you don't realize the power of the Presidency in this country. The President literally sets the tone, the emotional climate, the "atmosphere".
Trump dropped the ball, that's all there is to it. And he still hasn't picked it up. (Baseball metaphor, not soccer!)

What do you think Trump should do in regards to covid19?

Some actual examples would be nice.
 

eekndyn

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One thing I wish he would have done was fire Foul chi from the start. Who was RESPONSIBLE for the outbreak of the Aids virus. Along with his ties to the Wuhan lab. He hasn't seen one patient in over a decade. I also think Dr. Birx is too an enemy of the state. As her husband serves on the Clinton and Gates foundation and she is now pushing for states not to open until there is a vax. What he has done was shut down travel from China early January, and in return was called xenophobic and racist for doing so. While Ms. Pelosi paraded around Chinatown instilling others there is nothing to fear. March 13, 2020 Elon musk first tweeted the effects of chloroquine and the effects as an early cure for c19. Potus first mentioned publicly March 17, 2020 how hcq and zinc with a z-pack was effective and was immediately discredited. If people were drowning and was thrown a life saving device people wouldn't grab it simply because the one who threw it was Trump. Now to date, many Frontline workers have came forward and have spoken and have been silenced. While the cdc has on their site the treatment for coronovirus in 2006 was hcq. In addition, Trump signed the Right to try bill giving Americans an OPTION to work with their doctors for treatment.
 

david starling

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Hydroxychloroquinine has been thoroughly studied and isn't a cure or a preventive for this virus.

Dr. Fauci has been saying since June to wear masks and social distance.
Trump says "NO". Who's right?
 

eekndyn

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Hydroxychloroquinine has been thoroughly studied and isn't a cure or a preventive for this virus.

Dr. Fauci has been saying since June to wear masks and social distance.
Trump says "NO". Who's right?

https://twitter.com/intheMatrixxx/status/1283503409216262153?s=20

I was incorrect it was 2005, not 2006.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

Not true, he never said not to wear a mask. He has always said if you cant socially distance, to wear a mask.
 

waybread

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Democrats have to be careful concerning mail-in ballots in States with Republican governors, who could (and very likely will) slow the vote-count until the deadline arrives, and then refuse to extend it, a la Florida in the 2000 Election.

Republican governors will also make it difficult to vote in-person in known Democratic districts. That's just a given.

This is going to be one nasty Election!

Not only that, David, but a political donor of Trump's (Louis DeJoy) was recently appointed to Postmaster General. He's on a mission to slash the postal service budget, close local post offices, and fire employees, so it may be part of a Trumpian advance scheme to provide "evidence" that the post office cannot handle a lot of mail-in ballots.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/p...ices-cut-service-ahead-of-election-2020-07-29

https://www.salon.com/2020/07/30/wi...ocations-and-cut-service-before-election-day/

Anyone who plans to vote by mail-in ballot is advised to do so at the first opportunity.
 

waybread

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The large majority of covid19 deaths occured in democrat controlled states, in a federal republic.

But somehow, its Trump's fault. :lol::lol:

Dirius, why do you use LOL emoticons to discuss the deaths of 155,000 American coronavirus patients? (4.55 million confirmed cases) If you think these deaths are a subject of merriment, that is sick.

First off the Centers for Disease Control are part of the Executive branch of government ( Department of Health and Human Services) which the President heads. Ditto for the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, headed by Dr. Anthony Fauci. Trump has consistently refused to take these experts' advice.

A president has a lot of persuasive power (nicknamed the "bully pulpit.") Tragically, Trump has used it to consistently undercut the very measures necessary to curb the spread of CV-19 among his fan base. It's as though he has a death wish-- or actually thinks a self-proclaimed "winner" can't fumble the most important challenge of his presidency-- with tragic results.

I don't know how much you know about basic epidemiology and the demography of the US.

Some of the first cases of CV-19 showed up in NYC and its commutershed of northern NJ. These are really dense population centers, where many people commute to work by packed subways, live in apartment buildings, and work in places that tend to be full of people. These densely populated conditions make a contagious disease spread faster than in, say, in lightly populated, low-density rural Kansas.

Large cities understandably tend to dominate their states' politics. Most of the people in Illinois, for example, live in the Chicago area. Republicans simply didn't make a case in recent elections that they would do better for urban folks than the Democrats would.

Sadly one of the major hot spots has been the Navajo reservation in Republican-dominated Arizona. Republican-dominated Florida and Texas currently have some of fastest recent increases infection rates in the nation.

Keep in mind that this pandemic isn't over yet.
 
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