Yod on Yod!5yr son not talking my fault?

Hi, thankyou for looking at my post.

I've been reading about astrology for over ten years and one day I will study it professionally but I do struggle putting an interpretation together, that's why I'm asking for advice. I have seen an professional astrologer but still looking for more answers

My son is nearly 5 and can say about ten words, he has seen alot of professionals and obviously regularly sees a speech therapist. he hasn't got autism or any other spectrum disorder and he is bright.

Getting back to the charts, his mercury in cancer seems normal but it forms a yod as the apex (quinunx moon conjunct jupiter and chiron)
I have a yod as well, moon, neptune and saturn as the apex.
My son and I, our yods conjunct each other with my saturn conjuncting his mercury in cancer. Also both of our vertexs are included in this??

To me the synastry chart is saying alot but I'm not sure what the message is?
Can anyone help? Maybe the yod specialists out there?
It looks like I'm the one causing the speech problem, and makes me wonder what I am doing wrong?

Too much Aquarius said:

To me the synastry chart is saying alot but I'm not sure what the message is?

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Your Yod apex planet (Saturn) sitting right on top of his Yod apex planet (Mercury) is probably the key issue here - particularly as some astrologers assert that outer to inner planet synastry contacts relate to unresolved karma.

You are correct in thinking that this cannot be correctly interpreted without first obtaining a sound understanding of your two natal Yods. However, even a simple Saturn conjunct Mercury contact (without any other planets/point/aspects being involved) can create a problem that might affect your son's early intellectual development - including the age at which he will talk.

On page 90 of Relationships, Astrology and Karma - Pauline Stone says of Saturn/Mercury synastry aspects :-

Difficulties occur mainly when Saturn feels inadequate in the sphere of life symbolised by Mercury's sign placement - When Saturn goes on the defensive, "she" will attempt to gag Mercury to prevent "him" from talking in a way that causes her embarrassment.

In the case of inharmonious cross-aspects, Mercury may perceive Saturn as a very poor listener or as having a tendency to find fault with his intellect or speech - which can undermine a Mercury-child's belief in his mental abilities.

So, is it possible that your behaviour during these early formative years has in some way delivered an "unspoken and unintentional message" that has (subconsciously) been misinterpreted by your son?

If there is nothing physically wrong with your son perhaps he will start speaking in whole sentences all of a sudden? (Mercury trine 9th house Uranus).
Whatever it is, please don’t blame yourself for what is happening. That is extremely self defeating as well as rather egoistical.
No soul is on their path to evolution on another’s behalf. This journey is our own and if we are very lucky we have other people to help us along the way.

Mercury is a singleton in his chart. http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/mercury/mercury.htm

Thanks Ben for your reply, I was devasted when I looked at our synastry chart and noticed his mercury conjuncting my saturn.
Made me really think about what I was doing in regards to helping him improve his speech.

As you mentioned about karma, I also think that yes the charts indicate heavy karmic issues going on.

With your Saturn on Cammy's Mercury, you may tend to feel too responsible for Cammy's speaking issues, and this is backed up by the way you worded your original post on this thread. You will be very sensitive to speculations that you gave out messages which inhibited the development of Cammy's Mercury. You have clearly shown the positive side of Saturn with regard to Cammy's Mercury by taking the issue seriously. Cammy's speech, or lack of it compared to others of his age, will tend to trigger your sense of inadequacy, so I would say try not to over-worry. Consider that it is well documented that children can begin talking late with no affects to their long term development. Einstein didn't say a single word until he had passed his 3rd birthday. You probably already know that it is the understanding of language which parallels the development of consciousness. Speaking is different to understanding what other people are saying.

With his Moon in Sagittarius conjunct Jupiter, and Aries on the MC, Cammy probably sees you as exciting and inspiring rather than inhibiting. Cancer rising opposite Pluto can take time to come out of its shell, but you can be sure that there's plenty of rich imaginative life being lived with all that water and fire in his chart.

The eleventh house has a strong connection with language, and my eye keeps drifting over to Mars there. Language is something we share with our immediate collective - it enables us to feel connected to whichever group we are identified with. Mars in Taurus in the 11th perhaps needs to approach language in a sensual manner, acting as part of the group through the body rather than the mind.

You probably already know this about him if there is any truth in it, but I thought it was worth suggesting as a possibility, especially since you and he both may have difficulty with the earth element. Cammy is stronger on fire, and you have no earth at all. Also, since Mars is the one of the planets in Cammy's chart which looks more difficultly placed (in its fall and the focal planet of a T-square in which it makes a very close square with Neptune, which can deflect the expression of healthy aggression), this Mars is obviously worth examining anyway.

I don't know if any of this will be helpful, but feel free to come back with more questions and feedback if you feel it would be useful in any way.

I really hope that he will suddenly start talking T'Thatsu, he really wants to communicate so he uses sign language and gesturing instead!

Thanks for the weblink Indigowater, I didn't pick up that his mercury was a singleton, but the quote below from the web site may well be accurate

When Mercury is a singleton there are special, unusual issues in terms of thinking and communicating. The person with a natal Mercury singleton has special gifts and/or problems with perception and communication - for example, an opera singer who stutters badly when she speaks, but never when she sings lyrics. These people are misunderstood, especially in childhood

miquar said:

Astrology is about looking for insight, not blame. With your Saturn on Cammy's Mercury, you may tend to feel too responsible for Cammy's speaking issues, and this is backed up by the way you worded your original post on this thread. You will be very sensitive to speculations that you gave out messages which inhibited the development of Cammy's Mercury. You have clearly shown the positive side of Saturn with regard to Cammy's Mercury by taking the issue seriously.

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Thankyou Miquar for you insightful response, definitely some food for thought there!!

With the Saturn planet I tend to see it as a heavy, negative and restrictive influence which are all negative but as you pointed out maybe its influence is serious in the chart and not as negative as I had first thought?

Also you mention Mars in Taurus in the 11th house and approaching language in a sensual way, can you give me more clues about what I need to do here?

Hi Too Much Aquarius. Yes I agree that Saturn brings many hard lessons, and feelings of frustration and despair too. But in any chart it also obviously has the more positive side too once the limits and the responsibilities are accepted (or weeded out if they're not healthy).

The Mars in Taurus in the 11th thing a bit vague in my mind and may not have any relevance to Cammy. But since the 11th house represents experiences of establishing social connections (succedent air house), it could be that by engaging in building things like dens and stuff like that with friends, he will be engaged in communication with a group by virtue of them having to work together. His Cancer side will also love to create a womb-like place to retreat to as well.

With Mars in a T square with Saturn and Neptune, expressing his Mars won't be without complication, as you no doubt know from your experience of astrology. Mars is more likely to side with Saturn, especially when in an earth sign, but the Mars Neptune aspect is so close that it will probably be disorientating as Cammy seeks to define and assert his desires. Any personal planet in Taurus making aspects to inspired, imaginative Neptune at the same time as making aspects to pragmatic and industrious Saturn, I feel to reflect a very creative force in a chart. Cammy may have to endure cycles of highs and lows as he swings between the elation of the Neptunian vision and the reality of the manifest result, but this is the lot of the artistically endowed. Perhaps working with clay would also help this Mars in Taurus to ground its visions, especially as part of a group.

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Indigowater said:

Mercury is a singleton in his chart. http://www.astrologyclub.org/articles/singletons/mercury/mercury.htm

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Why would you consider Mercury a ‘singleton' planet?

Hi again Miquar I love the idea about Cammy building a den or playhouse with his friends, I could really imagine him doing that and also using the clay.
Your answers have been very helpful, thanks!!

hi "too much aq",

thanks for sharing.. i haven't read all the posts, but i would like to chime in here as it is interesting.. i was reading the other day how albert einstein had learning disabilities starting out.. not sure how much of that is true, but he has a saturn/mercury conjunction and he turned out okay mentally!

sometimes a little knowledge of astrology is a dangerous thing.. i am not saying you are guilty of this, just that astrology is so complex it can be taken a number of different directions.. our imagination is a powerful thing that we need to use for the good..

first thing that strikes me on your sons chart is pluto close to descendant.. pluto among other things is about control.. a control theme might be a part of his approach to speech.. ''hey, if i don't say anything, i get a lot of attention." this is very speculative on my part but i am tossing it out.. while his sun is not at the direct midpoint of mercury/saturn (another control theme with regard to the use of language - saturn and pluto liking the control thing) but an alternative way of looking at a chart is to look at 3 planet groupings to get ideas on the way the cluster might function together.. this mercury - sun - saturn trio could also suggest a reserved, holding back approach speech wise and they are lined up directly here... also, the fixed signs can be stubborn to open up and this boy has a mars in taurus at top of t square with saturn/neptune opposition on the bottom of the structure.. i sense a real reluctance in that set up as well for any number of reasons.. all in all, i think he is probably fine, but obviously very slow to open up in terms of speaking with you and others..

looking at the synastry : i note this t square in his chart sitting right on your angles, so he definitely has some stuff to work out either with or thru you... these connections are quite close between your and his chart... his natal saturn exact conjunction your descendant and his mars 1 degree orb conjunct you i.c.... not sure where the father is in this picture, but it makes me wonder seeing the male planets in hard aspect with neptune and all landing so close to the angles of your chart.. his midheaven is about smack on the venus/chiron midpoint in your chart which would seem positive at first glance and his chiron is exactly on your natal moon.. wow - there are a lot of connections to these charts which isn't completely unusual in parent child chart, but it is striking still none the less.. his neptune part of that t square i keep on mentioning is conjunct your mercury exact as well.. wow.. his uranus exact conj your sun and his moon exact conjunct your neptune - ruler of your sun in mod astro... oh yes and there is that mercury saturn conjunction that is the basis for the header of the thread! i would say the charts overlap in such a thorough way, trying to pull apart a few pieces of it to try to understand the depth of the complexity is no easy task!

sorry for that long last paragraph with astro connections i was making while typing... the boy is 4 and 1/2 now.. the important direction of sa neptune to natal saturn is still in effect here, so concerns about his general health and well being make sense.. this sa neptune is directed to be sitting right on your ascendant line so some confusion on your part as to what is going on with him seems a natural response.. sa mars is also directed have hit his saturn just prior to the 4th year and also square to your ascendant.. just think of directing the neptune/mars square 4 degrees from 21 to 21 fixed where your ascendant and his saturn are... this ought to all pass soon enough...

if you think of t pluto having gone beyond 6 degrees capricorn, or beyond the 21 fixed point where this mars/neptune square is, the control theme might get replaced with some surprises via t uranus which has to pass 6 cardinal as well fairly soon... i suspect things will change come may of this year with t uranus hitting onto this mars/neptune square in his chart, while t jupiter is exact conjunct his natal mars..

sometimes when i look at charts i do think of past lives and people being bonded from previous lives.. i kinda get this from looking at these 2 charts together.. all the best in your loving relationship with cammy.. i am sure things will work out for the both of you..