Mathematics 1.618 & Sacred Geometry

I would not want you forever to give me puzzles, trying to catch me out, lets put it plainly, i think in a different way to you, if you think i'm trying to be a Guru, i would laugh in your face, i'm not trying to dominate, but you need an area to think differently, i'm very moderate, in explaining human idea's about religion....hell guys i'm very polite if your show if i'm wrong about history, i will always say i'm wrong, but i'm human please note i study more than what a human can take, wouldn't it be better to be be polite, i know my failings, but do you?

My road is be part of a group, why the hell would i join a forum if that isn't my road, i enjoy group debate, i want to be just that, but please allow i think differently, but i'm very moderate, can you not give me a chance, without burning me? After all not many people want to explain religion and yet be moderate? Minefield!

No doubt as JupiterAsc is familiar with my metaphor or symbolism he will see the joke, i'm not comfortable in this area....

I will not dominate, but rather protect insight with my peers, there is huge debate in being moderate with ancient concepts...obviously i need help, i'm only human, if you say i'm wrong, and i am wrong, noting being polite, actually be polite if you are wrong has equal measure, i will be very polite!

The Ratio is everything, don't feel bad to give me something to think about, I'm Polite, whatever you give as long as being polite is gratefully received!

I like jokes, what do i follow more?

Pi, Pie or Phi?

Picture below showing apple cut crosswise, but in a juicy pie! Ha Ha! Note starshape, but doesn't an apple also show shape of a Cardioid?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/foodandd...Baking-recipes-buns-and-puddings.html?image=5

No doubt JupiterAsc will see humour below in metaphor and symbolism as to how a few want to roast me ha ha!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_of_Discord

Obvious humour to Vatican BBQ parties, like Bruno was invited to, ha ha! Poor Bruno, i have great sympathy!

It is natural for those who have beliefs to hate those who seek Truth. The believer seeks to protect the belief by denying and avoiding Truth, even destroying the advocate of Truth. The seeker of Truth is not concerned with belief. You can believe whatever you want and that is precisely why beliefs cannot tell you about Truth. The Truth must come first, then the belief about Truth. But we cannot blame those who are believers only, because everyone must pass through all stages of development. No one is born on the finish line and everyone makes mistakes.

So many people of tradition seek judgment for others. How many christians have condemned Judas? Even knowing that we are all "sinners" does not stop the urge for vengeance. Even when Jesus said to forgive seven times seventy offenses, still many cannot see past this one offense. Everyone has committed the sin of Judas. That is why such an act of betrayal was chosen as the example. In this way, all are guilty. None are clean. No matter which tradition, there will always be those who refuse to listen even to themselves because what they want comes first. That is the trap. If want comes before Truth, the Truth and Its advocates will suffer.

Again, there is no blame, even for those who are spiteful and hateful. They are confused and thus they cannot be expected to make good decisions, much like children. When they have grown and become educated, then they will see all the errors they have made. Until then, there is no way they can understand. They don't know what they're doing is wrong. So, I think it would be more constructive to focus on helping the few who will listen, rather than repelling those who attack.

Great stuff Mark,

But please give me a while to explain my hero, we must be moderate, 1600 was 400 years years ago, the inquisition is so distant now, it has no bearing to a modern idea of philosophy, nor should we judge regarding idea's during this era.

Let me celebrate my hero during the 11/11/1918 silence!

I have a few hero's , two are below:-
Nelson Mandela and Modandas Karamchand Gandhi!

However spare a minute for my greatest hero, Giordano Bruno, he was so right....after getting sentence, he said "Maiori forsan cum timore sententiam in me fertis quam ego accipiam" meaning Perhaps you pronounce this sentence against me with greater fear than i receive it!

No doubt he followed Hermeticism, but during this time so did the church, but didn't want it to be known, Bruno was slaughtered because of this!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giordano_Bruno

It isn't by chance that his statue faces the Vatican in Campo de Fiori in Rome, it was done by design!

He is one of the great, spare him a thought and a prayer during this week, he was very much involved in our work, poor man, he had to wear a modified Hannibal Lecter mask with a spike through the tongue (to stop him talking to the crowd) as he was pushed out to be burned at the stake in Rome.

http://www.kropserkel.com/lecter.htm

Ever thought about the Luther rose?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luther_rose

Variations on a theme of orientation as well as colour involving roses reminiscent of the Lutheran http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose_of_York http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Rose_of_Lancaster

Good stuff JupiterAsc.

Variation is important, the rose and heart/cardioid have been used, Venus is very important to all philosophy and retrograde motion/Phi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kepler_triangle

http://gouk.about.com/od/york/ss/yorkminstfacts_6.htm

Another variation on theme is "The sacrament of the last supper by Salvador Dali", link below:-

http://www.fulcrumgallery.com/Salvador-Dali/The-Sacrement-of-the-Last-Supper-c1955_25282.htm

He painted it in 1955, he may have thought a good year to paint this subject, it has two FIVES!

No doubt you will be interested in the Transit of Venus, about 8 months away, we will not live to see another!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transit_of_Venus

Another way to plot Phi is:-

5^.5*.5+.5=Phi

The Washington Monument is 555 Feet 5 and 1/8th inches tall, can you see any symbolism?

It is an obelisk, thus would expect Osiris stars to be involved, as Sun rises when cornerstone was laid on 4th July 1848 in Washington D.C....intentional?

Graph on attachment.

People are strange beings, they don't only use electional astrology, they are very interested in dates and numbers!

11th Hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, 1918 is an auspicious date.

I'm not trying to say that W.W.1. was held up by much with Armistice, but the fighting did go to the last minute, many thousands of soldiers died in the last few days.....was a mystic involved? I wouldn't complain if it worked.....20 years later??????

11 is a master number, America didn't sign the Treaty of Versailles, they signed their own agreement with Germany ratified in Berlin on 11th November 1921!

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/US_-_Germany_Peace_Treaty

Hell the war really started by the assassination of Franz Ferdinand on 28th June 1914, Saint Vitus day, a very auspicious day in religious concepts of area, it was used again by surrender document signed by Germany on 28th June 1919 in Treaty of Versailles!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vidovdan

Hollywood plays with this stuff in fun, example, the first Omen film was released in the UK on 6th June 1976= 666.

The remake was released at 06:06:06am on 6th June 2006, that's funny, but war isn't!

Monk said:

So do we have a master key shape in visual mathematics regarding 1.618, please note this is where i shut up!

Cardioid, Pentacle, Decagram, Dodecahredron, Golden Spiral, Mandelbrot set, it would be nice if all shapes fitted into one?

Graph on attachment!

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Having played with Semi-Quintiles this week and Yods,, [which I wrote about in another thread. I couldn't help but take a gander at his thing of yours.
It's real late here and ive been writing all day on everything from...well, let me just say I've been writing a lot.
Here's some rando thoughts of observations that may give a lead to what ever your looking for. [as I 've just read only a couple /few of the posts in this thread.
108* is the sum of 3 semi-quintiles, true Yod should be regarded as that triangle with a base of 72* and not 60*, I believe. that means two interio angles of 72* and an apex of 36* not two at 75* and 60* as a sextile based triangle provides. Notice the repeat of the number 72 as in 72 names of God , 72 angels of the quainaries. You know that the 9 is considered the 'God number' by some and the angles in the quintile Yod all add up to 9 and the numbers in the Quintile itself, its' base , a Quintile. That why it was known as the 'finger of God'. Yod is a letter in the Hebrew alphabet that transliterates to number 10. divide 360 by 10 and you 36, the apex of the Quintile Yod and which if you establish the 10 matrix or polygon on the chart you thus have the matrix of a Grand -Semi-Qauintile and in that matrix any quintile that you construct one of thes Yods from will have that apex at one of semiQ pts directly across from the mid point of that quintile base.
Also as Venus does produce these Pentagrams with its conj. to the Sun and that there are 72 possible pentagrams in the 360 degrees it takes 1200 years to complete this cycle and for what reason Steiner gave the re-incarnation of Parsival and predicted it for these times. So seeing as there are 12 pentagons on a Dodechahedron that takes 1800 years and you end up with 9 Dode's...Dude...[don't ya luv them 1s and 8s?]. I can play with this all night but it's late and if you want to hear any more thoughts of mine on this let me know. Oh, and I have thread on the Yugas and synodic cycles and Pluto at the ACTastrology,com forum and something on that here at AW in which I determine that it takes 107.4 + or - orbits of Pluto to meet again with the cycles of 666 years and 888 years that conj them selves only at the same pt. every 2664yrs but 10 times that is 26,640 and that is 4 years short of what Sri Yukteswar stated was the cycle of one Yuga plus one more conj. of 2664 years i.e 26,664...[and Yuketeswar admitted over those thousand of years in an involutionary progressed direction that the exact number had been forgotten and that he was using a calculated estimation that he could guarantee was close. Also buy the current est. of Plutos' suynodic cycle , 248.09 years if you divide that into 26,664 you get 107.4 [aprx] years and there are 108 beads on a Japa Mala...plus one additional for the 'Guru' [I've used one often enough to know that without ever being told] ...and there are 54 on Catholic Rosary...
I hope you can find something in that you might find helpful.
\good nite http://actastrology.com/viewtopic.php?f=70&t=262

The use of numerology and St. Vitus day in the First World War does seem intentional, strangely enough Colonel Dimitrijevic who was the mastermind in the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand had the code name APIS, that is linked to Osiris.

The Paranatellonia goes back to Egyptian times, and are used to mark the start of the day, sunrise sunset or modern midnight on the four angles.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10705808

When Germany signed the Treaty of Versailles on 28th June 1919, i would look at midnight, sunset and sunrise for Sirius or Alnilam. At midnight on day Alnilam, star of Osiris is on the Nadir, graph on attachment.

The media missed the trial of the conspirators involved in the assassination of Archduke Ferdinand, as the war had started, and all thoughts were on that.

However there is a scholarly work that is long out of print, but is honest in the transcripts of the trial, i have the book, but it is rare and expensive.

W.A.Dolph Owings, The Sarajevo Trial, if you scroll down link below to references you will find it mentioned.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin_Bridge

The Conspirators mostly were dying from tuberculosis, which is one reason why they were picked, all through the trial they spoke of a fringe lodge being involved with the Black Hand Society, please note fringe masonic lodges aren't mainstream!
A page from the book is below:-
http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/904/1jm0.jpg

The Venus retrograde orbit is very interesting, a good book on all planetary orbit graphs is "Tables of Planetary Phenomena" by Neil F. Michelsen. Some of the orbit patterns are very strange, a few are very funny, which reminds me of a visual astrology joke.

In the book it shows what Uranus retrograde orbit would look like if you where sitting on Chiron the wounded healer, i have to giggle when i see it!

The Caption is "Hard working Chiron has "Piles" of healing to do to poor old Uranus, what a pain in the BUTT!"

Picture on link:-
http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4635&mode=view

Treaty of Versailles chart below on attachment.

I forgot to mention...as I believe you said something about how to fit two 3d pentagons together of some 'spatial puzzle'.
In the book "Nothing In This Book Is True...." by Frissell, the author mentions the 'Torus'...[I read the book many years ago, but as I recall lit is shaped like corkscrewing horn that grows. A prism in that construct when it is exposed to a singular shaft of light casts 22 diffracted rays that will appear as the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet.]

[meanwhile...I"m stuck in Folsom Prism]

The relationship with the Venus Cycle and a Heart/Cardiod plus the Rose/Pentacle is well known, my efforts in explaining the Golden Ratio, is to show how all shapes fit into an "Envelope Cardioid".

The Golden Decagon is well known in mathematics and geometry, and has been intentionally been placed in many neoclassical buildings around the world, links below:-

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/venusrose.html

http://cultpotato.blogspot.com/2009/01/golden-decagon.html

http://www.goldenratio.org/info/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penrose_tiling


Many people use the Pentacle as the symbol of Venus, however a lot of esoteric westerners use the symbol as denoting Sirius.
Sometimes in other cultures the eight pointed star is used to denote Sirius, please scroll down link to "Flag", and read below:-

http://www.azembassy.ro/eng/Azerbaijan/general_info.htm

Sirius has many myths, cultures all over the world use it, like below:-

http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/53/49/default.htm

However there is great abuse of the meaning of the Pentagram and Sirius by evil doers, thus if you are looking for "Corkscrewing Horns", i suggest you look closer to home to the City of the Angels.

Parans have always been used by secret societies, Sirius has been used for good and evil purposes, when the remake of "The Omen was released at 06/06/06am on 06/06/2006, something else was going on in Los Angeles, in fact in the Steve Allen Theatre, a black mass was being performed!

Please scroll down link to "Membership", then look to two paragraphs ABOVE this:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Satan

The day was marked by ancient greek style meaning sunset of previous day, while Sirius was setting with the Sun.

Picture below:-
http://2012forum.com/forum/download/file.php?id=4994&mode=view

As you know about procession, Sirius has moved slightly over the last 43 years in fact on 4th June 1968, Sirius was setting with the Sun a day earlier in Los Angeles, an event was marked intentionally by ancient Greek measure to the act just after midnight on 5th June 1968 in Los Angeles, it was very evil!

Graph on attachment!

The Paran chart above relates to the act below, the assassins creed!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Robert_F._Kennedy

Obviously Peace treaties are not valued as evil intent, however Sirius and Alnilam were used in the Treaty of Versailles, another peace treaty was the Treaty of Sevres, that happened in Sevres, France on 10th August 1920, regarding the Ottoman Empire, Egyptian sunrise day marker was used, while Sirius rose with the Sun!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Sèvres

Graph below on attachment:-

Hopefully we can now put Balkan unrest into past history, but we must watch...after all this is our watch on Earth!

Sadly the assassins creed in esoteric concepts still does crop up in Serbia, Zoran Dindic, the Serbian Prime Minister was assassinated in Belgrade on 12th March 2003, it was marked by midnight day marker at location as the start of day, Sirius was setting in the West!

http://www.economist.com/node/1633427

Graph on attachment:-

I must go for a few days, but i give a puzzle to Mark and JupiterAsc to Bath U.K. being the King's Circus and Royal Crescent, built earlier than Washington D.C.

Please note i'm not trying to say mainstream masons are evil, just trying to explain why they use Phi in street design and buildings, there are fringe groups in all philosophy, thus Washington D.C. design isn't evil!

Lets start with Bath U.K.

Picture on attachment.

Monk said:

I must go for a few days, but i give a puzzle to Mark and JupiterAsc to Bath U.K. being the King's Circus and Royal Crescent, built earlier than Washington D.C.
Please note i'm not trying to say mainstream masons are evil, just trying to explain why they use Phi in street design and buildings, there are fringe groups in all philosophy, thus Washington D.C. design isn't evil!
Lets start with Bath U.K.
Picture on attachment.

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John Wood the Elder was the architect responsible for the Royal Circus. When a young man he traveled to London, became a Freemason then returned to Bath having established influential contacts and acquired knowledge. He then began working on his designs. John Wood apparently was inspired by the Coliseum in Rome and English sacred stone circles, like Stone Henge and the Stanton Drew stone circle near Bristol.

It is possible that The Circus was built on the site of an ancient stone circle.

The Circus represents the Sun. The Royal Crescent the Moon.

The diameter of the stone circles at Stone Henge and Stanton Drew near Bristol, measure 316 feet (60 cubits). This is the same measurement as the diameter of The Circus in Bath and also of the width and length of Queen Square. Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem is also described in the Bible as being 60 cubits by 60 cubits, forming a cube.