Greetings.
I had to dig up this old thread of mine to find the natal chart for Hillary Clinton that I use, as I no longer have it in my personal files, and because I'm convinced of its validity as you can see for yourselves through the evidence provided in the old posts above.
While I did examine Donald Trumps chart and created a thread on it these past 12 or so months...and tried like the dickens to ascertain Bernie Sanders' birth data to no avail... I never got around to analyzing Hillary's chances this time around. One reason for that being that I was pretty well convinced that Bernie was going to get the Democratic Partys' nomination ...and had the process been conducted fairly it would have been a certainty, in my estimation.
When I initiated this thread way back in January of 2009 I didn't have the natal chart of the U.S.A. that I now do and at that time I had very little interest in mundane astrology at all.
First off, here's Hillary's birth chart using image hosting so as both members and non members alike can view it. (which is a computer skill I had not yet learned to do at that time. I was still pretty green at this stuff back then.)
This is an older chart cast through astrodiensts' free service and it may not be precisely the same as that which can be produced presently...as astrodienst has since acquired a habit of constantly "readjusting" data to conform to their satisfaction or for some reason or another...but it will be more than adequate to work from as the differences will be of mere seconds of a degree, if any.
I'm not going to get real in depth with any analysis here tonight, I only wish to point out a few things I became aware of as to Hillary's chart in synastry with that of the U.S.A.'s natal chart (The natal chart for the U.S.A. I use , and which has proven itself to me repeatedly, without fail even, is that known as the "Zero Hour Chart", 12:00:01 A.M. July 4, 1776 Philadelphia, Penn.)
I also wish to add that presently I am no longer an admirer of Hillary's, contrary to what I stated above nearly 8 years ago, considering the election fraud in the primaries her campaign, and the Democratic Party, was complicit in, the Benghazi affair and a host of other issues which number far too many for me to list and, or, address.
Hillary's Part of Catastrophe, (Asc. + Uranus - Sun) which symbolically illustrates that catastrophe one will encounter in their life that is of such a magnitude and influence as to have a profound influence on their own life and upon the society they are a part of to some greater or lesser degree is at 16* Cancer 20', that is the 17th degree of Cancer, and as all Astrological Parts are symbolically active and said symbolism being that of the Sabian Symbol found for the degree of the Zodiac in which it is located, the Sabian Symbol given and interpreted by Dane Rudhyar, from his book on the Sabian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala", will provide us with the answer as to what that great catastrophe is exactly.
"CANCER 17°: THE UNFOLDMENT OF MULTILEVEL POTENTIALITIES ISSUING FROM AN ORIGINAL GERM.
KEYNOTE:
The life urge to actualize one's birth potential.
What is pictured here is simply the process of germination. As it unfolds from the sundered seed the plant pierces the crust of the soil and reaches up toward the light. This is a dynamic process turned outward, in contrast to the more static or introspective process of integration-through- understanding depicted in the preceding symbol.
Germination is the crucifixion of the seed. The seed becomes the germ, just as the Tibetan student meditating silently and peacefully on the Mandala is followed by the Christian Crusader - and, at a materialistic level of productivity, by the engineer-technologist intent upon transforming the globe for the greatest possible enjoyment of the greatest possible number of human beings.
As usual, the second stage of the five-fold sequence establishes a contrast with the first. Action polarizes meditation. The expanding process of self-actualization — which may mean nothing more than ego-expansion through conquest — contrasts with the introspective study of the structural relationship between, and the meaning of, the various energies and potentialities of ones' nature (svarupa in Sanskrit). The Keyword is GROWTH."
This isn't an easy symbolism to try to interpret in terms of just what said catastrophe is for the woman. Well, it's an an "Actional" Sabian Symbol, meaning that it will be by Her actions, and I think the words of Dane's to focue on here are these found in his summation; r.e. "The expanding process of self-actualization — which may mean nothing more than ego-expansion through conquest"
That sounds pretty spot on to me.
The next item I like to point out and address is that of
Her natal Uranus at 25* Gemini 56" ...that just so happens to be the location of the Part of Suicide (Asc. Cusp 8th - Neptune) derived from the U.S.A.'s natal chart which is at 25* Gemini 36'. A number of you are likely asking how a nation could possibly commit suicide and I can only think that it is by starting a war in which said nation is ill prepared for, inadequately prepared for, takes on too formidable an opponent and knows that it is so. A second means just came to mind and that would be a radical alteration to a nations constitution. Keep this aspect in the back of your minds while I go over two more aspects I wish to address here today.
The next being
Her natal Pluto at 14* Leo 51' which is conjunct, by less than a one degree orb of influence, the USA's natal Part of Army & Police (aka Part of Surgery, but as for a mundane chart I believe Army & Police to be relevant, or at least far more so.)
which is at 15* Leo 23'
Hillary's natal Pluto, the planet of "Death and Transformation", conjunct the U.S.A.'s Part of Army & Police ...let that roll around in your minds and refer back to what I said about Her natal Uranus conjunct the USA's natal Part of Suicide.
Her natal North Node is at 23* Taurus 34', that is to say the 24th degree of Taurus and the Sabian Symbol for that degree, by Dane Rudhyar's interpretation and summation is:
(ibid.)
"TAURUS 24°: AN INDIAN WARRIOR RIDING FIERCELY, HUMAN SCALPS HANGING FROM HIS BELT.
KEYNOTE: The aggressiveness of human instincts when fighting for their earthly base of operation.
In the mythology of early America, the Indian represents the 'savage', close to nature and led by primordial instincts. Alas, our present century has revealed that under far less imperative circumstances so-called civilized man is capable of far more cruel tortures and extermination. This symbol related to a fourth stage seems to imply that violence and aggressiveness are basic components of human nature at the level of the emotions and of a deep-seated identification with a particular culture which insists on regarding men of other cultures as potential enemies.
What is being confirmed here is the value of a group of men's differences from other groups. We are still in the period of 'Differentiation' (Act One of the cyclic process) and the need for a differentiation of human behavior and collective values is still very strong. At the emotional level man apparently still has to believe in VIOLENCE FOR SURVIVAL."
Of course it would be outlandish to say that every person born with their North Node in the 24th degree of Taurus is a violence prone person. Yet it may be true that those same people are prone to use violence when pushed, or cornered or even in situations that are not so desperate as they see violence as a quicker, or more surer, means of obtaining an objective as opposed to arbitration or negotiation.
I'm going to make a composite chart for Hillary and the U.S.A. and also a progressed natal for Hillary and the composite and I'll get back to this thread, hopefully, in the next few days. The landlord of my apartment has agreed to install new carpeting throughout and I don't dare miss that opportunity, so it may even be later next week until I get back to doing any more posting.
