Re: The Possibility of Tropical Ages

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Opal said:

Saturn is also the traditional ruler of Aquarius, so it would kind of blow the skeet shooting out of that.....if you want to base the age on Saturn.....but.....in your theory......what happened to Aquarius......?

and isn't Baphomet associated to Venus?

and Aquarius is a master number....11......Saturn, Uranus.....and like electricity.......Tesla..........his energy alternating current........is Uranus.....Aquarius........

mercury in Aries.......cool........

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In my theory, Aquarius is the Age-sign coming up next, following the (retrograde) sidereal Age of Pisces, AND following the (direct) tropical Age of Capricorn. A rare coincidence, since the sidereal Ages are on around a 26,000 year cycle, and the tropical Ages are on around a 21,000 year cycle. In both cases, Earth's "wobble" as it rotates causes "Precession"--Precession of the Equinox which transits a sidereal sign at about 1 retrograde degree every ~72 years; and, Precession of the Perihelion, which transits a tropical Sign at about 1 direct degree every ~58 years.
I don't consider Saturn the ruler of the Aquarian Age. That will be .

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On the mundane level, Uranian influence still hasn't taken control of our Charts. They're still under Saturnian control, in combination with Mars. That's what's wrong with the tropical Age of Capricorn: It's not the Sign, it's the Domicle-ruler.

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The "Digital Age" we're in now isn't a Uranian-ruled Aquarian Age. It's the final stage of the Saturnian-ruled, materialistic, innovative Age of tropical Capricorn. Computer code is written in 1s and 0s, the two "digits" that are combined to form the #10, Capricorn's number in the sequence of Signs.
This is like the caterpillar language that will lead to the Aquarian Age butterfly.

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david starling said:

In my theory, Aquarius is the Age-sign coming up next, following the (retrograde) sidereal Age of Pisces, AND following the (direct) tropical Age of Capricorn. A rare coincidence, since the sidereal Ages are on around a 26,000 year cycle, and the tropical Ages are on around a 21,000 year cycle. In both cases, Earth's "wobble" as it rotates causes "Precession"--Precession of the Equinox which transits a sidereal sign at about 1 retrograde degree every ~72 years; and, Precession of the Perihelion, which transits a tropical Sign at about 1 direct degree every ~58 years.
I don't consider Saturn the ruler of the Aquarian Age. That will be .

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So, if I am understanding you correctly, you see the Ages two separate ways. You look at it one tropically and two sidereally. Getting two separate conclusions.

In the end....would you pick one? or for you will there always be two sets of Ages?

With the planets, I always consider the traditional first, and I also consider the modern association. As they have been seen and assessed with the traditional first, the association will always exist. As planets are found that represent a zodiacal sign, I see the obvious association, but I do not dismiss entirely what has always been traditional. I just can't wave the wand in my head and make them go away.

If Libra was to be assessed with another planet, I would still consider Venus's influence and colour it with its new planetary myth.

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david starling said:

The "Digital Age" we're in now isn't a Uranian-ruled Aquarian Age. It's the final stage of the Saturnian-ruled, materialistic, innovative Age of tropical Capricorn. Computer code is written in 1s and 0s, the two "digits" that are combined to form the #10, Capricorn's number in the sequence of Signs.
This is like the caterpillar language that will lead to the Aquarian Age butterfly.

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And you set the ages going from Capricorn to Aquarius......different......I guess your Uranus square Ascendant has a different colour of rose coloured glasses than mine.......

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Opal said:

And you set the ages going from Capricorn to Aquarius......different......I guess your Uranus square Ascendant has a different colour of rose coloured glasses than mine.......

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Astronomical precession sets the direction of motion. The Vernal Point has retrograde Precessional-motion through the sidereal zodiac, but is motionless in tropical (because it's already in use for locating 0 degrees tropical Aries). So, it's transiting from sidereal Pisces into sidereal Aquarius.
The Earth's Point of Perihelion has direct Precessional-motion through the tropical zodiac, so it's transiting from tropical Cap into tropical Aqua.

Both the tropical and the sidereal Ages are in effect simultaneously, on different levels.

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Opal said:

So, if I am understanding you correctly, you see the Ages two separate ways. You look at it one tropically and two sidereally. Getting two separate conclusions.

In the end....would you pick one? or for you will there always be two sets of Ages?

With the planets, I always consider the traditional first, and I also consider the modern association. As they have been seen and assessed with the traditional first, the association will always exist. As planets are found that represent a zodiacal sign, I see the obvious association, but I do not dismiss entirely what has always been traditional. I just can't wave the wand in my head and make them go away.

If Libra was to be assessed with another planet, I would still consider Venus's influence and colour it with its new planetary myth.

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I studied rulerships assiduously, and concluded that the 4 Cardinal-sign Domicle-rulers are definitely the same as in Traditional, as is the Sun domiciled in Leo. In the pattern I'm using for the rest of the signs, Saturn wants nothing to do with Aquarius.

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David, what do you think will happen when the world finally enters the "real" Pisces age? Will Pisces put the entire world to sleep? Will people stop having boundary and everyone merges into one big mass?



Also I watched some documentaries about the extinction of dinosaurs. That makes me wonder, what astrological events could possibly trigger such massive destruction? And can the same kind of destruction be predicted?

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Gemini888 said:

David, what do you think will happen when the world finally enters the "real" Pisces age? Will Pisces put the entire world to sleep? Will people stop having boundary and everyone merges into one big mass?



Also I watched some documentaries about the extinction of dinosaurs. That makes me wonder, what astrological events could possibly trigger such massive destruction? And can the same kind of destruction be predicted?

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Tropical Age of Pisces will be actual, experiential awareness that life really is "but a Dream". What's now referred to as the "Collective Unconscious" will be the conscious realm. Too peaceful an Age for many, just as this Age is too materialistic.

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Interesting connection between the story of Gaea (Gaia in Latin) and her husband Uranos (Caelus in Latin), the Earth and the Heavens:
It's told that Gaea was angry at Uranos for banishing what are described as "monsters" from the Earth. The zodiacal connection is that the constellation Aquarius appears to be pouring out meteors, and the scientific theory is that the dinosaurs were wiped out by a meteor strike. They may have been monsters, but they were HER monsters.
Btw, the Eta Aquarid meteor shower, which is so-named because its arc radiant is in line with the constellation, has been occurring the last few nights, most visible this year in Denver, Colorado, in the Northern Hemisphere, but much better at the Equator, and in the Southern Hemisphere.

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passiflora said:

assigning the current age to Capricorn is a hope-giving interpretation. thanks. In believing we had been in the Piscean age so many contortions were required to explain why there was such a strong Saturnine influence.

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Yes. And the contortions included mischaracterized versions of both Pisces and Aquarius, which are detrimental to our astrological interpretations.

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Also, the need for contortions to explain mundane history using an Age of Pisces, greatly diminished the credibility of the Ages themselves.

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passiflora said:

I can admit to having thought of the Age, if it were Pisces, as simply a 1st house face used to fool about 12th house dealings (so secret societies would be in charge of the Piscean deceit, and in the new age secret institutions and corporations would manipulate the politics of humanitarianism and technocratic equality). Needless to say, very depressing.

Please share any recommended reading supporting your interpretation.

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I studied a LOT of history, using the Western historical timeline. And, a LOT about the ancient religions, now known as "Mythology". Also, modern astronomy regarding Precession, which is well-known sidereally as Precession of the Equinox, but was never explored by any published tropical astrologers regarding Precession of the Perihelion through the tropical zodiac.
There's another problem, involving the need to construct something new, originally to explain the very noticeable "overlap" of the sidereal Ages. Like everyone else, the sidereal version was all I knew about in the early 1970's when I began studying the Ages phenomenon in earnest. The 30 degree "Age Interval" (as I named it), augments the sidereal Ages, but is vital to understanding the tropical.
In short, looks like I'm "it", and a book on the subject itself comes down to me.
I find the evidence of the tropical Age-effect along the historical timeline up to the present convincing on its own merits, including the overlap of civilizations, which follows the overlap of tropical Ages quite nicely.
If it would help, I can outline the sequence of the logical, straightforward deductions that led to my discovery of the tropical Ages. I won't get too technical. No contortions necessary!

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passiflora said:

It's your book so technical is fine as long as it's in context.

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I'll be using my threads, and input from this Community, to help me write it. Any advice on how to clarify something that doesn't quite make sense from your own personal perspective?

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passiflora said:

Fiction writers like workshops. For nonfiction writers on specialist subjects, it is not quite so easy. You will have to assemble your own group, a remote workshop. There should be two types of people: (1) editors - of copy and big picture, and (2) subject matter experts whose expertise you trust. Your job is to hold your red thread while working through these dialogues. Both groups will help you in composing an argument that captivates the imagination and is also watertight. At least one of the people in your group should believe in your project and believe in you. The exact percentage of supporters required depends on your personality. Have I answered the correct question?

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It's good advice. Writing isn't as easy as I thought it would be! I'm considering working on a solid outline (also not easy for this project with so many tangents) and submitting it the Mountain Astrologer magazine. It would have to be top-notch though--they set the bar high.