She just cannot stand him at all, what is going on?

Osamenor

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When she complains about him, what are her complaints?

If it's about what he's doing, it's about what he's doing, not their birth charts.

If it's a vague "I just don't like him" kind of complaint, there may be astrological factors involved, but those astrological factors don't guarantee dislike. At best, the charts might suggest what's at the root of the dislike. But even that might not be in the charts. It might be that he reminds her too much of her cheating ex, or something like that.
 

The19thLaw

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When she complains about him, what are her complaints?

If it's about what he's doing, it's about what he's doing, not their birth charts.

If it's a vague "I just don't like him" kind of complaint, there may be astrological factors involved, but those astrological factors don't guarantee dislike. At best, the charts might suggest what's at the root of the dislike. But even that might not be in the charts. It might be that he reminds her too much of her cheating ex, or something like that.

Are you able to see the charts at least?
 

Osamenor

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Are you able to gather anything at all from them?

Not without seeing the actual charts, together in a biwheel. But even that wouldn't tell me much in and of itself. And it's not a question I'm willing to address with a third party. Unless one of these people is you, you don't have the standing to ask this question.
 

Bunraku

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Yes they are charts and you can get a lot of information out of them
Just give the ASC and MC and we can solve the rest.
 

Osamenor

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Do not have exact birth times of either of em :'(

Then the moon signs you have for them might not be accurate either. One of these people has a very late degree moon and the other has a very early degree moon. Looks like they were both born on days when the moon changed signs. If your estimated time of birth for either of them is more than a few hours off, they could have the moon in a different sign.

Moon doesn't necessarily create the dynamic, but it's usually one of the players involved. What people expect from others, deep down, and how they react to others, especially if it's instant dislike (or like!) often correlates with their moon placement and how their moons aspect each other's charts.

It's not the only thing, though, not by a long shot.
 

The19thLaw

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Then the moon signs you have for them might not be accurate either. One of these people has a very late degree moon and the other has a very early degree moon. Looks like they were both born on days when the moon changed signs. If your estimated time of birth for either of them is more than a few hours off, they could have the moon in a different sign.

Moon doesn't necessarily create the dynamic, but it's usually one of the players involved. What people expect from others, deep down, and how they react to others, especially if it's instant dislike (or like!) often correlates with their moon placement and how their moons aspect each other's charts.

It's not the only thing, though, not by a long shot.

Yeah but let's hypothetically assume that Moon signs are accurate here?
 

ElenaJ

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Looking at her chart, she does have a close sun/mars trine, with sun of the ego conjunct NN, but that same mars is in self-centred Aries, and opposing Uranus, so she has something of a short fuse.
And this with anyone.
He on the other hand has a sun/mercury conjunction in Leo, again egoism!
However, his Venus completes a grand trine with her sun and mars.
There is an age difference between them, and she is the older one, but it looks like there might be an underlying sexual tension going on behind the scenes.
There are no ascendents noted, and as osamenor says the moon positions can't be considered, which is unfortunate because it would give us more information to use for evaluation.
 

The19thLaw

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Looking at her chart, she does have a close sun/mars trine, with sun of the ego conjunct NN, but that same mars is in self-centred Aries, and opposing Uranus, so she has something of a short fuse.
And this with anyone.
He on the other hand has a sun/mercury conjunction in Leo, again egoism!
However, his Venus completes a grand trine with her sun and mars.
There is an age difference between them, and she is the older one, but it looks like there might be an underlying sexual tension going on behind the scenes.
There are no ascendents noted, and as osamenor says the moon positions can't be considered, which is unfortunate because it would give us more information to use for evaluation.

Interesting you say sexual tension, do you think one side is initiating it or do you think it is mutual?

Bold sounds quite encouraging though.

It is tough when we do not have the birth times of either though. Basically, the guy thinks she either hates him or is about to turn on him or something.
 

The19thLaw

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My fear here is, based on what I am feeling out, she might actually either turn on him or throw him under the bus. Maybe she takes him off the project out of the blue or does something that leaves him in a really bad condition. Something between these two seems a bit off, he says he has a tough time communicating with her.
 

The19thLaw

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We really need the ascendents, and the moons would help too.

Yeah but for ascendant we would need birth times or else we are really guessing if anything.

Seems like without the exact birth time, we cannot do anything here. Problem is it is very creepy to get the exact birth time.
 

ElenaJ

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You might ask, but they might not even know it.
Unless you have a personal interest in this situation, you might just take a step back and observe how it unfolds. You can't do anything about it.
 

ElenaJ

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Ok, so now trying with the horary chart you indicated.
You asked the question, so you are ascendent.
Your co-worker is the 6th house.
You didn't say which of the two, him or her, is the one you are closer to , but from the way you present the discussion, it sounds like it is the male, and she is an "other".
In one case scenario, we have the 6th of your co-workers ruled by Saturn, and the opposing house for the "adversary" ruled by moon. So Saturn would be the male (the one closer to you personally), who is serious and sitting in his own sign minding his own business. There is also Pluto and Jupiter in the 6th, which would become incidental significators of him. Pluto authoritarian, and Jupiter expansive, young and exaggerating. Is it possible he has been acting, unwittingly, in an exaggerated authoritarian way, and that is what has gotten her back up and nose out of joint? In offices, hierarchy can be a God, and must be respected.
She as 12th house would be moon, in his 12th, working behind his back, separating from south node so not being very effective up to now. This link with south node also gives a hint of something karmic in the relationship that is being worked out now, a debt being paid from the past.
Moon moves forward and will form a weak conciliatory semi-sextile with Saturn.
A second case scenario could be the following.
The male is once again Saturn of he 6th and in the 6th, vey intent on his work. But this time we take the 6th from the 6th, who is HIS co-worker, namely the dreaded lady. This would be the radical 5th house. Here we see her in a stronger position with north node helping her out. Her ruler is now mercury, in spiteful scorpio, approaching an opposition to Uranus, which recalls the mars/uranus energy in her natal chart.
Now however we also see a different picture, because Uranus is in his 5th house, ruled by Venus, who approaches Saturn by square. He isn't interested in any advances on her part, especially since Venus also rules his MH and reputation !
Moon is always important in the chart. In the first case scenario it rules the "other".
In this case it remains as co-significator of you, who asked the question. And moon separating from the square with Neptune in his 3rd house of gossip makes us wonder how you are involved in the picture here? Have you been talking to anyone about this situation, or carrying words to him, that created confusion and might have been misleading?
So, will any of this lead to violence? That would normally be mar's role, but we see that mars is now direct, in its own sign, so behaving well, and in the males's 4th house, ending things. But it doesn't connect for quite a while with the Capricorn stellium, and it won't catch up with Saturn who will leave the sign before the aspect occurs.
So, Saturn does not receive any aspect from violent mars.
 

The19thLaw

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So some recent developments.

We all work remote due to COVID lockdowns by the way.

Things have more than gone haywire in this scenario. She says she is uncomfortable working with the guy. Apparently he texted her on the weekend asking how here weekend was and then said he needs her help with a unique project as client keeps pinging him. He also called her before the weekend to apologize for his antics in being pushy about certain project developments he felt were urgent.

She was livid to say the least, like very livid.

We set up a meeting yesterday between the two and.......she had a changed mood when he was in the call (Video).

She was happy, excited, and not angry at all. Somehow though, I felt like part of her emotions were faked and contrived for the situation.

I get the feeling this is not finished. I set up the call to sort things out and squash any differences.

The Scorpio Moon she has tells me she is not done until he is either fired or in some serious trouble.
 
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