Is It True That Modern Astrologers Use Ancient Traditional Astrology Techniques?

JUPITERASC

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For example
the allegedly Modern astrology Solar Return :smile:
is simply
a repackaged Ancient astrology Traditional SOLAR REVOLUTION
 

Michael

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Great recommendation, thank you. Abu Mashar was a great astrologer, but he didn't use lunar returns. Lunar returns are useful to understand personal months. In ancient Babylon, the moon decided the start of each month.

Both Morinus and Cyril Fagan used Lunar returns, in addition to Solar. Times change!
 
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JUPITERASC

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Great recommendation, thank you. Abu Mashar was a great astrologer, but he didn't use lunar returns. Lunar returns are useful to understand personal months. In ancient Babylon, the moon decided the start of each month.

Both Morinus and Cyril Fagan used Lunar returns, in addition to Solar.
Times change!
On the contrary
as I mentioned
More than a thousand years ago
Abu Ma’shar used Ancient Traditional method of THE SOLAR REVOLUTION :smile:
Modern Astrologers simply repackaged the name
same Ancient Traditional method is now THE SOLAR RETURN

 

JUPITERASC

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Modern Astrology natal charts are based on an ASCENDANT

Originally the Greek term hōroskopos

from which our terms “horoscope” and “horoscopic” are derived :smile:
was simply a technical term
that was used to refer to the “ascendant” in an astrological chart.
Hōroskopos literally means “hour-marker”
and in Hellenistic astrology the term was used to refer to the ascendant
and to the first house in a chart.
The main thing that distinguishes horoscopic astrology
from other forms of astrology
is the use of the ascendant

and other points that are derived from the ascendant Chris Brennan
 

JUPITERASC

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Horoscopic astrology
is a very specific
and
advanced type of astrology

that was developed in the Mediterranean region during the late Hellenistic period
sometime around the 1st or 2nd century BCE.
There is a distinction between horoscopic astrology
and
Hellenistic astrology
since horoscopic astrology is simply a type of astrology
whereas Hellenistic astrology is a tradition of astrology Chris Brennan
Technically Hellenistic astrology was the first tradition of horoscopic astrology :smile:
although there have been many later traditions of horoscopic astrology
over the past 2,000 years.
 

JUPITERASC

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Do you use Lunar Revolutions?
SOLAR REVOLUTIONS as well as LUNAR REVOLUTIONS have an ASCENDANT :smile:

Horoscopic astrology is any form of astrology that utilizes the ascendant
and so
includes many traditions of astrology from the past 2,000 years
since astrologers first began employing the ascendant
including Indian astrology, Medieval astrology, Renaissance astrology
and
Modern astrology. Chris Brennan

These traditions of horoscopic astrology
are distinct from
other traditions of astrology
that do not employ the ascendant

such as
Mesopotamian astrology, Chinese astrology

and Mesoamerican astrology.
 

JUPITERASC

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TRANSLATION OF LIGHT is a Traditional Astrology technique
used by Modernist Horary astrologers :smile:
and is where a planet separates from one significator
- by conjunction or aspect -
and immediately applies to another
whilst still within orb of the planet it is separating from.
It carries the influence of the former to the latter
and thereby creates a connection between them.
Some references suggest a need for the transferring planet
to be received
by the planet it is separating from or applying to

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/translation.html
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=113523
 

JUPITERASC

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JUPITERASC

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Modern Astrologers use the original two thousand year old ESSENTIAL DIGNITIES TABLE

HOWEVER
No Modern Astrologer has so far managed to "crowbar" the outers
into the almost two thousand year old ESSENTIAL DIGNITIES TABLE :smile:


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JUPITERASC

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ANOTHER TRADITIONAL ASTROLOGY TECHNIQUE
often used by Modernist astrologers
is the Part of Fortune :smile:
in fact
we have an article on our EDUCATION BOARD
by starlink
with details
https://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13197
 

waybread

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If you read widely in both traditional and modern astrology, you will find a large percentage of methods with traditional roots that are used by mods. It's hard to calculate a percentage because within both the trad and mod communities of practice, there is a lot of internal variation. The two communities seem closer in horary, less so in natal chart interpretation. However, I would estimate the overlap to be minimally 1/3-- and greater for some people. This is also because some trads take a more modern approach to their work.

Modern and traditional astrology use the same signs, houses, major aspects, and planetary rulerships. Most of the major house systems, including Placidus, were invented by traditional astrologers.

This overlap is hardly surprising. Modern astrology never sprang out of nowhere. Nor did it ever claim to be a unique invention. The early modern astrologers did want to focus on the human potential for enlightenment; but then so did traditional western astrologers who studied the kabbalah. The early mods also wanted to move beyond the really dire, turgid, morally judgmental cookbook delineations of the past.

We also have to note that there was some really bad traditional astrology, just as there has been some bad modern astrology. We know about the bad astrologers of the past because our foremost literary sources complained about them. However, we do not judge English literature as a whole from a few Harlequin romances, any more than we should judge either branch of astrology by the worst that it has to offer.

In terms of more specific techniques, the use of house cusp rulers (lords) is both modern and ancient. I'm not sure who invented the use of midpoints, but I believe this is originally traditional, as well. Turned houses are common to both.

I don't think we want to make mountains out of linguistic mole hills. Whatever most of us read of the old masters is in English translation from the Greek, Latin, Persian, or Arabic. English translators might have taken liberties with their translations; for one thing, an expert in ancient languages might not have simultaneously been an expert in astrology. (This being a frequent criticism of the older translations, notably re: confusing terminology for signs and houses.)

It's also important to keep in mind that traditional European astrology pretty well died out ca. 1700 CE. When astrology revitalized about 200 years later, a lot of the old sources were not available in English (or other modern language) translation. Some were available only in obscurity in archives, and only to scholars. Today, in hindsight, we can look back at a wealth of translations of the old traditional sources, not to mention the Internet; but this wasn't the case in the early 20th century when modern astrology was finding its feet.
 
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JUPITERASC

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another Traditional astrology technique
used by Modernist astrologers is COMBUSTION

http://www.skyscript.co.uk/gl/combust.html

keep in mind that Traditional is flourishing :smile:

In his Introduction
William Lilly

Christian astrology pdf
stated that the combust planet
should be in the same sign as the Sun and within 8° 30'
- beyond this distance, but within 17 ° of the Sun, the planet
is said to be under the Sun's beams
.
This condition is debilitating, but not as severe as combustion
 

JUPITERASC

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CAZIMI is another Traditional Astrology technique
often used by Modernist astrologers
:smile:

Cazimi planets are very powerful,
but be aware that for the malefics, this can be powerfully bad.
 
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