MadArchitect
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Whats the meaning of my 12th house stellium in capricorn?
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MadArchitect
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Anyone???????????????
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Chillaxer
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OK, have mentioned this before but one chart I'm fascinated by is Ayrton Senna, he had Saturn in the 12th in Capricorn as you do, and Mars I believe.
Definitely a case of a total compulsion for ambition and recognition and being too driven to stop, being the self-undoing.
Also his ambition and drive created hidden enemies.
Not saying your chart is the same but you may want to look at his chart and biog online, if there are any similarities. It seems Saturn in Capricorn is very intense and harsh, and doubly so in the 12th.
However, you have Uranus conjunct Saturn, personally I would see this as a very positive aspect, whereas the opposition is trouble.
It means an ability to blend to nonconformist and erratic and original in Uranus with the conformist, conservative and disciplined nature of Saturn.
It's sort of an aspect of creating, or wanting to create revolution or change from within a pre-ordered system, as I see it.
So as it's in Capricorn could it be something about changing an organization or power structure or way of doing things?
The 12th could mean that this is risk of self undoing, or it could be that you feel it as a compulsion, or it could be a subconscious dream.
The sun is in there so it seems your sense of identity or destiny is bound up with these two, and it may be something buried in the subconscious, or hidden from others..
You may want to look to Chiron too as it is regarded as the bridge between Saturn and Uranus so would play into their dynamic. It's a maverick and a teacher and in the fifth, so maybe creative problems but also talents and ambitions?
Fortune in Sag in 10th, in contrast to the 12th Cap planets, says maybe you need to take risks to overcome doubt and find career fulfillment.
Just some initial ideas, let me know if it is anywhere near.
Definitely a case of a total compulsion for ambition and recognition and being too driven to stop, being the self-undoing.
Also his ambition and drive created hidden enemies.
Not saying your chart is the same but you may want to look at his chart and biog online, if there are any similarities. It seems Saturn in Capricorn is very intense and harsh, and doubly so in the 12th.
However, you have Uranus conjunct Saturn, personally I would see this as a very positive aspect, whereas the opposition is trouble.
It means an ability to blend to nonconformist and erratic and original in Uranus with the conformist, conservative and disciplined nature of Saturn.
It's sort of an aspect of creating, or wanting to create revolution or change from within a pre-ordered system, as I see it.
So as it's in Capricorn could it be something about changing an organization or power structure or way of doing things?
The 12th could mean that this is risk of self undoing, or it could be that you feel it as a compulsion, or it could be a subconscious dream.
The sun is in there so it seems your sense of identity or destiny is bound up with these two, and it may be something buried in the subconscious, or hidden from others..
You may want to look to Chiron too as it is regarded as the bridge between Saturn and Uranus so would play into their dynamic. It's a maverick and a teacher and in the fifth, so maybe creative problems but also talents and ambitions?
Fortune in Sag in 10th, in contrast to the 12th Cap planets, says maybe you need to take risks to overcome doubt and find career fulfillment.
Just some initial ideas, let me know if it is anywhere near.
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MadArchitect
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thanks for your answer seriously i have now idea whats the meaning of this stellium....
my chiron is in 6th btw..
good point about ayrton senna (im a big fan) ,but ayrton had a completely different natal chart and life than me.
he was aries with aquarius rising while im a full capricorn i have 4 planets and rising in capricorn
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waybread
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Try casting your chart in whole signs houses. With Capricorn rising, it will move your Capricorn planets into the first house.
Don't overlook your sun square Pluto. This can generate a real "dominate or be dominated" type of personality.
A fair number of politicians have 12th house suns. I think they succeed by identifying with a cause or group of people larger than themselves.
Even if you don't feel this way now, it will be important to think of how you can serve less fortunate people in your life, such as those in prisons, hospitals, or institutions. If you don't you may manifest another 12th house meaning, which is that people may begin to experience you as deceptive, and then try to undermine your efforts.
Don't overlook your sun square Pluto. This can generate a real "dominate or be dominated" type of personality.
A fair number of politicians have 12th house suns. I think they succeed by identifying with a cause or group of people larger than themselves.
Even if you don't feel this way now, it will be important to think of how you can serve less fortunate people in your life, such as those in prisons, hospitals, or institutions. If you don't you may manifest another 12th house meaning, which is that people may begin to experience you as deceptive, and then try to undermine your efforts.
MadArchitect
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i mentioned previous life
Because 12th house has to do with karma,not to mention saturn(planet of karma)
Here its in rulling position(capricorn)
and in 12th,so it can be a possibility..
david starling
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Personal hopes and dreams can be considered H12, and Capricorn is known as an ambitious Sign. And that Moon in Scorp Conjunct Pluto in H9, which is also about hopes and dreams, but includes others as well! All those wild and crazy feelings you have to control and channel into something (materially) successful! More power to you, hope you can make it happen! What areas of occupations are most appealing and available to you? Travel guide, life-coach....? Etc. Are you currently an architect of the Mind, or actually in that profession?
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Chillaxer
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I know, it's just I find Saturn Capricorn 12th a very striking combination, that's why I mentioned it.
MadArchitect
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no. mad architect its just a nickname.
im doing jobs that i dont like,for living .at the moment and since a teenager
never had the chance to do what i like for living(it is normal) economically we live in very very rough ages..
i have tendency for music and acting, mostly music and sound engineering or anything studio music production related
but you know times have changed .....
being a musician or even actor its tough its really tough...
now what is my future and what im going to end up doing as a profession?
i have no idea seriously, im hella unsure about my future
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MadArchitect
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hey no worries
i got your meaning you re right saturn influence and especially in 12th its hella intense ....
david starling
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hey no worries
i got your meaning you re right saturn influence and especially in 12th its hella intense ....
I'm already wondering about the effects of Saturn Transiting Capricorn in a couple of years. Whatever it will be like, you'll be feeling it for sure! I'm wondering if Cap Suns get any immunity from a Saturn-Return in Capricorn, or if it's just the reverse.
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MadArchitect
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im pretty sure it will not be a very pleasant experience(for me) or a walk in the park for sure....
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aquarius7000
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Hi,
Your natal 12th house contains only one personal planet, the Sun. This could mean that 12th-house issues (introspection, taking the time to think about yourself/ life/ your own weaknesses and failures) are your focus in life. Since the other two planets are not personal planets really, you might not be a recluse or want to work in a mental institution.
You might come across as a bit cool and aloof in the first instance, which is basically because of your Capricorn Asc. and Sun, and, yes, because the Asc. ruler, Saturn, is in the 12th house and your Sun, too. Therefore, you do need your retreat and just being by yourself, too. That said, the Moon and Venus (both are personal planets) want to actually be amongst people and out there in society. You actually might even love being amongst friends/ groups.
Could I ask what you do for a career wise?
Your natal 12th house contains only one personal planet, the Sun. This could mean that 12th-house issues (introspection, taking the time to think about yourself/ life/ your own weaknesses and failures) are your focus in life. Since the other two planets are not personal planets really, you might not be a recluse or want to work in a mental institution.
You might come across as a bit cool and aloof in the first instance, which is basically because of your Capricorn Asc. and Sun, and, yes, because the Asc. ruler, Saturn, is in the 12th house and your Sun, too. Therefore, you do need your retreat and just being by yourself, too. That said, the Moon and Venus (both are personal planets) want to actually be amongst people and out there in society. You actually might even love being amongst friends/ groups.
Could I ask what you do for a career wise?
AppLeo
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Kind of what Aquarius7000 said, you only have one personal planet in the 12th house. Neptune and Saturn are generational planets so they don't really mean much personally. Saturn and Neptune kind of blend into your 12th house too. Neptune naturally fits in the 12th house and Saturn joys in the 12th house traditionally. If you had Mars or Mercury in there then maybe you would feel the 12th house more prominently.
Besides, You have planets all around your chart; they aren't set in a particular spot.
Being a Capricorn person, no matter where your planets are, is going to make you ambitious; especially, in aspect to Pluto. Pluto and the Moon are also conjunct the MC which also generates a lot of ambition and desire to be successful and to seek recognition.
Besides, You have planets all around your chart; they aren't set in a particular spot.
Being a Capricorn person, no matter where your planets are, is going to make you ambitious; especially, in aspect to Pluto. Pluto and the Moon are also conjunct the MC which also generates a lot of ambition and desire to be successful and to seek recognition.
waybread
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The 12th house and Saturn have to do with karma only in certain astrological systems. Not in mine, not in traditional western astrology. Often invoking "karma" is just an excuse for blaming one's unhappiness on an unproven notion with zero evidence to support it.
A good rule of pragmatic modern astrology is to focus on understanding this life first.
Saturn above all is the planet of material, concrete practicality. In Saturn's world, 2+2=4, no matter how much we might want 2+2 to equal 5.
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MadArchitect
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im doing jobs that i dont like for living.
i ve studied sound engineer and stuff about music,im playing some guitar and bass
i ve also finished computer science
and i i ve watched some acting lessons-seminars
but i stopped doing everything of the above because...
that moment i was at my early 20's and i was about to start doing something hopefull in my life i was motivated....
Then suddenly economic crisis crashed my country and i had the obligation to move into another country...(that i dont like)
and here i am now. doing jobs that i dont like and have completely loss any motivation that i had, to do so something special in my life.
january 3 im about to turn 28 sometimes i wonder how the heck i will turn my life around....
i need a miracle.
sometimes i feel old, and go like" dude leave it you have grown now,what do you really expect to do?making a miracle in your 30's and then end up getting recognition at your 40's or even 50 "s?
Such a late bloomer....
Sometimes i feel like i have accomplished zero things in my life, while at the same i realize that im a young smart guy
who can really change things if he wants it,
but the main problem is that im hella unsure what career profession would be the best for me,i have serious problems choosing and define my path in life.
the only thing that helps is that im a quick learner.
my learning skills sometimes are above average.
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MadArchitect
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i dont blame saturn or karma for what i ve been through
i think i am responsible about my fate,but im also a bit unlucky
but anyways. life without troubles its like bread without butter...
MadArchitect
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hey thanks for being honest and straightforward,i like people who tell the truth
im just brainwashed about the whole 12th house propaganda....
neptune and saturn indeed can work good in 12th house
there are so many astrological sites and astrologers
who tend to make people believe neptune or saturn or sun in 12th as the total disaster=
prison,drugs,alcohol,suicide,loneliness or agoraphobia paranoia(lol)
such a pessimistic distorted point of view......
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aquarius7000
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First and foremost, at 27/28, not having a set career is absolutely not being a "late bloomer" at all. All the fields you have dabbled into and actually studied suit your chart, so you are already on the right path career-wise.
Let me share what I think you chart says to me. Scorpio MC (career line) with Mars as its ruler and in Aries, you need a job that will a) give you a lot of freedom and not tie you up to your desk, so no, a 9-5 job is not really for you. Perhaps one of the reasons you are even (unintentionally) doing many different jobs. A career in music (Mars-Venus trine), or something where you can manage yourself what you are doing (Aries Mars and Sco MC) is what suits your nature. Venus in Sag, music could be spiritual or foreign/unconventional (in the 11th house) in nature. Pure music, like a singer is not what I mean, but producing music could be the answer. Something where science is involved. You said you attended some acting classes. I can actually even see you doing that - Moon is on your MC (it wants recognition amongst people) and Venus trines MC ruler.
You also studied computer science, which absolutely also suits your nature because of all the Saturn energy through your Sun and Asc. I could almost imagine you with your own (or working for a company) music-production studio, where production happens on the computer.
Also, do not get frustrated or think that you are unlucky. You have Saturn Sun and Asc., which means a slight delay often in settling in life. I have seen many, many times, so simply have patience and keep trying, but with a positive attitude.
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