Your "Destiny" & the North Node

EdgesOnCircles said:

I recently read about the importance of the North and South nodes in a natal chart and I was just wondering if it holds true for anyone reading this. It is my understanding that throughout life, we try to move away and mature from our South Node and take on the characteristics of our North Node. Some have compared it to the North Star of our destiny. I have my North Node in Pisces (12th house) and consequently my South Node is in Virgo (6th house).

I realize there are other amateur astrologers on here such as myself - your South Node is directly opposite of your North Node.

Out of curiosity, what's your story? Do you feel a pull to your North Node or do you feel like you made a transition in life that correlates with your North Node? After the transition do/did you feel complete in a sense? Or do you think the North and South Nodes are a bunch of rubbish?

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North Node in Virgo/11th house South in Pisces (5th)

we're going in opposite directions

Okay, well I definitely do find it easier to indulge myself in escapism and pleasures. Dreaming life away

I see my Virgo/11th north node as a need to serve society. And I do try. When I'm not doing something totally escapist and self indulgent.

Ruled by Mercury in the 12th so I figure I'm out to balance the world with me gob. Maybe spiritual teaching? I like teaching people how to meditate. Maybe astrology would figure in that too. I like to help people know themselves better.

StillOne said:

I've been interested in this recently as well... among so many other things (wonder why?). Anyhow I have my NN in the 6th in Cap 0'58'' and wondering since it's so close to Sag if I might be a blend of those signs for my NN?

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I'd read it as 7th house, but still Cap

Is there some doubt as to how you feel about your north node placement? Do it not fit?

Moog said:

I'd read it as 7th house, but still Cap

Is there some doubt as to how you feel about your north node placement? Do it not fit?

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I guess so and maybe it's because NN transit has been in Sag. I'm not sure how long that transits stays there but it seems it's been there for awhile...? Maybe that's been affecting how I feel about it.

StillOne said:

I've been interested in this recently as well... among so many other things (wonder why?). Anyhow I have my NN in the 6th in Cap 0'58'' and wondering since it's so close to Sag if I might be a blend of those signs for my NN?

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Nope, if it's in it's IN. same for planets and angles. as your MC is 0'19" Aries, do you feel any pisces traits on MC? if you do it means your time is out slightly....

I notice T uranus is retrograding back onto MC, how you doing with this? it gets to 0'38" before going direct on 7/8th dec.

3rd Nov T Jupiter was conj your mars apex for yod. how did you get on with this?

EdgesOnCircles said:

Out of curiosity, what's your story? Do you feel a pull to your North Node or do you feel like you made a transition in life that correlates with your North Node? After the transition do/did you feel complete in a sense? Or do you think the North and South Nodes are a bunch of rubbish?

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North Node in the 9th Aquarius, South Node in the 3rd Leo.

I've become particularly fascinated with the nodes in recent times as I've begun to notice rather large shifts in the direction of my life.

It's sort of interesting to reflect back on past years and realize my south node's attempts to be the center of attention through communication 'thwarted'; something i've subconsciously desired very strongly, to be recognized and for my voice to be heard. But how can you reach equality with others if you believe yourself to be superior to them...

This is where my north node comes in, a couple of years ago i went through a series of shifts in how i see myself and others.. spirituality and philosophy became a focul point of my life and with the sign of Aquarius focusing my attention on equality and social relations i began to understand that when i put myself on the same level as others, not only can i relate but i am heard and appreciated.

I'm not sure we're moving away from our south node so much as we're learning how to bring both nodes into the bigger picture of our being.

Thats my own experience anyway, im still learning.. and its a wonderful journey.

astrologer50 said:

Nope, if it's in it's IN. same for planets and angles. as your MC is 0'19" Aries, do you feel any pisces traits on MC? if you do it means your time is out slightly....

I notice T uranus is retrograding back onto MC, how you doing with this? it gets to 0'38" before going direct on 7/8th dec.

3rd Nov T Jupiter was conj your mars apex for yod. how did you get on with this?

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Well, I think my time may be off then as it seems I resonate with Pisces mc more than aries...

T uranus retrograding towards the MC has been challenging and illuminating as I'm very restless in my business and have been contemplating other work for some time now. My current job has never satisfied my soul and I've never identified with it, but it has allowed me to expand because I've been making good money. So in that sense it's been good... but also bad. Lol

T jupiter conj mars has assisted in giving me drive to start new things but has also been very sensitive as it's illuminated some of my mars rx challenges. However, I've started a meditation class in this time and began doing more yoga. Which all has to do with my evolution. I was merely holding it back. I think since my mars is rx and that I exhibit all of the traits of rx mars to some extent (mildly on some) that I've also been even more reclusive and introspective lately. I've also been more depressed... I've been shedding tears left and right which is highly unusual for me. I've been extremely sensitive. Could be the yoga and meditation releasing too... Not sure.

I'm just happy that it seems my T saturn is leaving my Sun/Uranus...

Thanks for asking.

Moog said:

North Node in Virgo/11th house South in Pisces (5th)

we're going in opposite directions

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looks like we need to play a game of red rover because I need to get to the other side!! I'm going to drown myself in perfectionism otherwise because I always feel like what I do isn't good enough ha This is what happens when your parents decide they don't want to take the chances of having a baby on Christmas so they pop you out earlier! I wasn't meant to spin this natal web...

lazarusx said:

This is where my north node comes in, a couple of years ago i went through a series of shifts in how i see myself and others.. spirituality and philosophy became a focul point of my life and with the sign of Aquarius focusing my attention on equality and social relations i began to understand that when i put myself on the same level as others, not only can i relate but i am heard and appreciated.

I'm not sure we're moving away from our south node so much as we're learning how to bring both nodes into the bigger picture of our being.

Thats my own experience anyway, im still learning.. and its a wonderful journey.

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Yes I suppose everyone wants a bit of yin and yang...at least it creates an atmosphere for better understanding Glad you've been able to reach out to your North Node and that is definitely a nice twist...to find something expected and wanted from the unexpected.

The north node is what the soul is yearning for to become complete. All past experiences of being in control and perfect are now unnecessary, you just got to 'go with the flow' now, and this phrase should ring a bell within you.
You are striving to imbrace pisces, and all it represents, compassion, humility and cosmic unity, wholeness and acceptance. Expression of art, of nature, of the soul will be a passion of yours that longs to be learnt, from the virgo south node. I like to think of an inspiring artist or musican yearning to express his vision for the good of all, with the detail/practice and routine of virgo supporting the calling of pisces north node of pure flowing emotion. This urge isnt just a hobbie or for fun, its a calling, and your soul demands it in your lifetime.
I have this pisces/virgo nn/sn also, in fact everyone from around 1987-89 does. the house position reveals more insights, however be wary of the house system you use to calculate it. Personally i settle with whole sign over placidus etc, being born in a northern latitude, it is more symbolic in meaning and gives a clearer perspective.

hope this helps..
~t

Tboy said:

I have this pisces/virgo nn/sn also, in fact everyone from around 1987-89 does. the house position reveals more insights, however be wary of the house system you use to calculate it. Personally i settle with whole sign over placidus etc, being born in a northern latitude, it is more symbolic in meaning and gives a clearer perspective.

hope this helps..
~t

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Ah interesting, didn't realize it lasted so long (over a couple of years). I should probably check my chart with the whole sign method as well. Now if they are different depending on the method, do you normally stick to the one that you can relate to more...or there's really no knowing?
And I'm jumpin the gun haha, I see it's more symbolic to you..but I suppose if the other method was more accurate in your case would you have chosen Placidus over whole sign? Or would you disregard Placidus regardless?

I havnt diregarded placidus, the planets are all in the same signs in either system, its just the house positions change becuase the ascendant is adjusted differently.
Placidus you see, is well suited for people born at the equator but those at higher latitudes are diregarded, the houses are warped, some even disappear. I believe the whole sign just makes it more clear, the houses are one sign each, it makes sense. Though the midheaven isnt in the 10th as you would expect in placidus but an angle is just that, an angle based on the exact time of birth. Still i prefer the signs and house positions are more solid, easier to read and interpret and find generally more accurate. House systems are are real controversy however, i'm sure there are many people ready to place bias on one over another.
I think this is as far as i can go on about house sytems without going too far off topic in this thread..
So yes, try out several house sytems and see how your chart is effected. The angles and house positions will change with each system. The house position of the north node can give further clues of its meaning, how do you choose which is the correct? well use each system for your chart, note the position, and compare. I did this with three systems; equal, placidus and whole signs. The north node shifted from NN/SN 3/9, to 4/10, to 5/11.
Furthermore, the south node some say represents your youth/childhood enviroment, so think about how virgo operated when you were small in that area of life indicatored by the house.
You can also compare the north node positions through the houses through each system as well. The NN will be exactly opposite the south node position. And see what area of life your soul seems to want to make itself known and which makes sense to you.

~t

Placidus you see, is well suited for people born at the equator but those at higher latitudes are diregarded, the houses are warped, some even disappear. I believe the whole sign just makes it more clear, the houses are one sign each, it makes sense. Though the midheaven isnt in the 10th as you would expect in placidus but an angle is just that, an angle based on the exact time of birth

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I notice you also are in UK and THE most popular house system is Equal house here...


“The Equal House System avoids the problem with the Placidus which results in extremely uneven houses if the native should be born in extreme northern or southern latitudes.
Each sign is fully represented on a house cusp.
Debbie Kempton Smith the author of Secrets from an StarGazer's Notebook recommends either Equal House or Koch (unequal).
Margaret Hone puts forth an excellent argument in favor of Equal House in her book, "Applied Astrology" which is why it is the default for SkyViewZone.
Jeff Mayo and the Faculty for Astrological Studies also favors this house system.”
http://www.solsticepoint.com/astrologersmemorial/hone.html
http://www.astrolozy.com/article19.asp
http://www.aquamoonlight.co.uk/systems.html

http://www.skyviewzone.com/birthinfoforms2/housesexplained.htm
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Z0nnE2IP7A4C&pg=PA167&dq=astrology+equal+house&as_brr=3&ei=i0iJS-PlGo3mygS89Nn8DQ&cd=2#v=onepage&q=astrology%20equal%20house&f=false

“Another of the three most popular house systems is Equal houses which is just what its name implies. All the houses have the same degree on each cusp, and there are no interceptions. Equal house systems are especially useful for people born in the northernmost and southernmost latitudes, and this system is the most popular one in use outside of the United States.”
http://www.esotericapublications.com/article-511.html

EdgesOnCircles said:

looks like we need to play a game of red rover because I need to get to the other side!! I'm going to drown myself in perfectionism otherwise because I always feel like what I do isn't good enough ha This is what happens when your parents decide they don't want to take the chances of having a baby on Christmas so they pop you out earlier! I wasn't meant to spin this natal web...

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I disagree with this your Soul is born exactly when it's meant to be born, end of

I will need to make a hard copy of all the different systems then so I don't confuse myself any further.

I will note that from the Placidus method (thanks to AstroDienst) I checked out my aspects with the North Node. The Sun, Uranus and Saturn all square the N.N. in my chart and from what I've read, it's dead on. I feel like I was born in the wrong century, I hate that society favors conformity and because of my negative views I tend to close myself off from the world at times. I have Aquarius in the 11th house so I absolutely love people that challenge the norm even if I don't have the courage to challenge it myself. Think it's a battle to be accepted but at the same time have the ability to express myself by any means possible.

And thank you astrologer I hope to accept that in the near future

I used to wonder what I was supposed to do with my life. I always felt I had such potential but just needed a direction.

I have my South Node in the 11th in Libra and my North Node in Aries in the 5th (Placidus).

I have never felt this worked for me. All the interpretations I have ever received and have ever derived myself told me I was living life too diplomatically, sacrificing myself for the group and denying my own individuality. Someone once told me I should basically just let loose and have a good time - apparently I was too well behaved in my past life.

I am naturally someone who is a member of multiple friendship groups without being a committed member of any. I jump around from group to group because no one group has all the qualities that interest me. I also have a strong private side where I explore my own interests (e.g. astrology) and a strong social side where I enjoy the company of others. When I'm with any group I am very easy going and keen to establish an optimal and fair solution to any group problem (instead of prioritising my own wants).

So telling me I should (a) have more of a good time and (b) assert more of myself, I feel a little at odds with what I think I should be doing. I feel pretty assertive and quite individualistic as it is. To be any more so I think would be quite selfish. I also value the discipline that comes with putting one's duty to the group first, and with benefiting others' wants over ones individual wants, or to work for a cause (11th house) rather than for something that is of pure personal value (5th house).

Because of these feelings I have never understood my Nodal positions. I have grown up to conclude that I don't think the Nodes point in any direction because on a spiritual level the past is the future and the future is the past and both ultimately exist in the present. They are not points, they are a line, a line with no arrows. So I now I don't see the Nodes as being prescriptive, I see them as purely descriptive. They are asking me a series of questions - questions which I must ask myself in the present - "how far will you reject social / group norms in order to satisfy your own needs?", "how might obeying others help you grow as a person?", "do you ever end up socialising past the point at which you feel you can learn or grow from other people such that you waste your time?".

The Nodes ask me these questions and I feel them keenly. But the Nodes don't give me answers. All I know is that I have a lifetime to find out my own answers and if I'm brutally honest with myself hopefully with time I'll come up with answers I am happy with (rather than answers that are convenient at the time!)

That's my two cents. So I don't think the question is how do I move from my South Node to my North Node.

Maybe thinking about the Nodes this way will help you too?

Then again maybe I should use a different house system!

sundance kid,

nice synopsis, it should also be remembered that North Node traits only become more obvious towards mid life in mid 40's

I have my South Node in the 11th in Libra and my North Node in Aries in the 5th (Placidus).

I have never felt this worked for me. All the interpretations I have ever received and have ever derived myself told me I was living life too diplomatically, sacrificing myself for the group and denying my own individuality. Someone once told me I should basically just let loose and have a good time - apparently I was too well behaved in my past life.

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Libra SNode is all about balance, fairness, within groups. Have you ever been involved in any humanitarian or charitable matters?

North Node Aries in 5th is also connected to children and finding your inner child. romance and to come away from the typical indecisive, procrastinating libra traits and be bit more 'decisive' over 5th house matters. romance, love affairs, creativity. Even self employment and gambling belong to 5th house. so maybe N Node is asking you to take few more risks with self.....

Then again maybe I should use a different house system!

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always worth exploring, come over the the light

NN in taurus on descendant.(7th H)
SN in scorpio on asc.(1st H) Can see my south node traits very clearly.
Im really independent, fight all my own battles etc.
not sure at all how Im going to read/reach that NN.

probably since my venus progressed into Taurus in 7th have started to become aware of this.(which occured a few years ago)

I did study the environment at college including soil science(which I thought was a waste of time) but interesting . very earthy!

Caro said:

not sure at all how Im going to read/reach that NN.

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Haha I'm with you on that one. I have a desire to let go and freely express myself without having to explain myself. It's always good to support what we say or do with logical reasoning...but maybe I miss being the "child" and liking or not liking something just because that's the way it is. As a few others have said - maybe it's more of a balance that we need to find. Not so much crossing from south node to north node but meeting it half way.

According to Astrologer I have plenty of time to figure it out if the North Node traits prefer to hide behind clouds until we're in our 40s. I just hope that I haven't picked myself to death by then. Now that I think about it, I'll probably stop over-analyzing everything by the time I hit 40. Life is too short, eh?

EdgesOnCircles said:

I recently read about the importance of the North and South nodes in a natal chart and I was just wondering if it holds true for anyone reading this. It is my understanding that throughout life, we try to move away and mature from our South Node and take on the characteristics of our North Node. Some have compared it to the North Star of our destiny. I have my North Node in Pisces (12th house) and consequently my South Node is in Virgo (6th house).

I realize there are other amateur astrologers on here such as myself - your South Node is directly opposite of your North Node.

Out of curiosity, what's your story? Do you feel a pull to your North Node or do you feel like you made a transition in life that correlates with your North Node? After the transition do/did you feel complete in a sense? Or do you think the North and South Nodes are a bunch of rubbish?

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I wish it was a bunch of rubbish! I'm truly struggling with mine at the moment.

My NN is in Cancer 4th house, thereby making SN Capricorn 10th. For the life of me I just cannot relate to the Cancer part of me. Moon is in Virgo so feels more Capricorn than Cancer, not to mention my upbringing was strongly Capricorn-ian. Everything that Cancer/4th house symbolizes is entirely foreign to me. Not to mention I'm VERY career oriented. It breaks my heart to not place my career first. I don't know, Pluto just brushes past my SN and is bulldozing through my 10th at the moment lol You're not helping me there Pluto!!

north node aries 9th south node libra 3ed I have no idea have been trying to figure this out as well lol. I guess I really value my independence and freedom (mentally) and do what I want.