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In the example Chart we have Uranus leading (cutting), Moon disposing the chart, exalted Jupiter on the. MC, .... They all work together and all are necessary.
By the knife analogy, if the "leading (cutting) planet is the cutting edge", does the trailing planet mean the point where one ought to apply pressure to utilize the cutting edge? Like the handle of the knife?
(Still a bit unclear here).
What about a sailboat? The gale kept me awake at night, that gave me the idea. Uranus could be the mast with the mainsail that captures the wind; the Moon and Jupiter the tiller/steering wheel, and Neptune the keel that gives counterbalance and prevents capsizing?
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The bundle represents the most intensely concentrated sort of personality, wholly focused on the self and its interests.
This pattern is recognized when, ideally, all ten planets populate less than the span of a zodiacal trine, or 120 degrees. The tighter the bundle, the more intensely the characteristics of the type are expressed.
We will use Harrison Ford as example. If Therese would be so kind as to post his chart here...? Thank you.
Trines normally feature both planets in the same element; that is not true here. Instead both planets are in Common signs, signs of the same quality or mode, a cross-sign trine.
The elements primarily operate subjectively and are concerned with how we perceive and process information. The qualities describe how we deal with the outer world.
The Mutable (Common) signs work by adapting the self to surrounding circumstances. In the jargon of the Freudian crowd, they are "autoplastic". Adaptability, flexibility, and accomodation are hallmarks of this quality. We might call them chameleon-like. They are not normally bound by rigid ideals, principles or values. These signs tend to take life as it comes and are not much concerned with introspection or self-evaluation. And they are dualistic. These signs are fundamentally concerned with the social milieu and establishing themselves in it, finding their proper niche; they are people people.
That's borrowed from traditional astrologer Robert Schmidts NAUTICAL METAPHORWhat about a sailboat?
The gale kept me awake at night, that gave me the idea.
Uranus could be the mast with the mainsail that captures the wind;
the Moon and Jupiter the tiller/steering wheel, and
Neptune the keel that gives counterbalance and prevents capsizing?
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That's borrowed from traditional astrologer Robert Schmidts NAUTICAL METAPHOR
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...ge&q=ROBERT SCHMIDT NAUTICAL METAPHOR&f=false
Is this metaphor just for Harrison's pattern (fits it so well), or for the Bundle in general?
Robert Schmidts NAUTICAL METAPHORI had to look that one up, I was surprized that a traditional astrologer would talk about the bundle pattern.
But what you meant was that the sailboat was already used in astrology as a metaphor.
It makes sense, sailing has been around for a while.
So it seems it's an analogy that comes from hellenistic astrology,
where the lord of the ascendant, the lord of the lot of fortune, etc, are described as crew members, yes?
I think we are talking about two different ships.
As far as the sailing ship metaphor is concerned, I came up with it on my own, decades ago,
two interesting proverbs on the matter are - and I quote:concerning my Chart, and others like it, with a lot of Water and Air placements.
For Earth and Fire, I (with so much Water) imagined it
as a motorized boat, engine-driven, which enables the ability
to go against the winds and tides.
Similar minds think alike.
It's interesting how our minds work differently. You are more concerned about external things, like opportunity and wind, while I was focusing on the structure of the ship.Third, if the native's energies are solely concentrated in a narrow, geometric domain. Then intensity applies, but this intensity is dependent on the winds of fate. At specific times in life, 100% of the natives energies are focused on 1-2 things. This may cause intense success, catapulted by the sole concentration of planet/energy. And of course deductively intense failure at other points. It makes me wonder what happens the rest of the time..
It's interesting how our minds work differently. You are more concerned about external things, like opportunity and wind, while I was focusing on the structure of the ship.
What you want to know is where the ship can go, which makes sense, considering it's a means of travel. But everybody is dependent on the winds of fate, whatever pattern they have in their chart.
It can also be that most bundle people are not that much into "success". It depends on how you define it. Is success setting your own goals and achieving them? Or is it about obtaining a certain (higher) level of social standing - influence, wealth, etc? They might or might not go hand in hand. And if not, maybe bundles are less likely to trade inner significance for outer rewards...
What you want to know is where the ship can go, which makes sense, considering it's a means of travel. But everybody is dependent on the winds of fate, whatever pattern they have in their chart.
It can also be that most bundle people are not that much into "success". It depends on how you define it. Is success setting your own goals and achieving them? Or is it about obtaining a certain (higher) level of social standing - influence, wealth, etc? They might or might not go hand in hand. And if not, maybe bundles are less likely to trade inner significance for outer rewards...
As far as the sailing ship metaphor is concerned, I came up with it on my own, decades ago, concerning my Chart, and others like it, with a lot of Water and Air placements. For Earth and Fire, I (with so much Water) imagined it as a motorized boat, engine-driven, which enables the ability to go against the winds and tides without having to constantly take them into consideration. Similar minds think alike.
Given the incredible convenience and range of the company known as Amazon, it might be instructive to view the Chart of Jeff Bezos, it's founder, and the driving force behind its expansion.
It's interesting how our minds work differently. You are more concerned about external things, like opportunity and wind, while I was focusing on the structure of the ship.