What's wrong with being self-absorbed?
Seriously.
It's better than being selflessly-absorbed.
Hi AppLeo
Hehe, selflessly absorbed...That's an interesting concept. Would you like to expand on that?
If you're selfishly involved, you'll always have your back.
If you're selflessly involved, someone else will always else has your back.
In other words, if you don't trust the world, it's better to be selfish because you can count on yourself. You don't know if other people will have your back.
If you do trust the world, it's better to be selfless because you can count on other people. You don't know if you will have your back.
In the end though, we are all responsible for ourselves and what we might do. We have no idea what other people might do. It's better to be selfish because at least yourself is the most predictable person on Earth.
What's wrong with being self-absorbed?
Seriously.
It's better than being selflessly-absorbed.
Thank you for mentioning. As most definitely it is relevant and important. My first inclination is to disagree... However, I'm now fully aware that I must certainly agree with this point. I see that most people are definitely self-absorbed and that is the norm! I also see how that is an advantage in this world and is an attitude to embrace for most. People, mostly, only care about themselves and furthering their direction. If one embraces this pathway, one has a better chance of surviving since you are focusing primarily on yourself. Why wouldn't it be the most evolutionary successful individual?
In knowing this, you have to always question the motive of the "other" person and embrace your thoughts, instincts, and knowledge as your reaction or counterpoint to their self-centeredness. So, are they aligned with you? Or, are they solely out for themselves? It's an interesting position to be in since you have to weigh how to, then, trust the other. I personally find this bothersome, but have seen it happen time and again...
Thinking of yourself first is probably the most important thing you can do.
As a 7th house sun, I know what it's like to be selfless, and it never ends well. You always come first before anyone else. That's like a law of life.
From a perspective that Immorality in one cultureYou're welcome. :3
BTW, it's not in anyone selfish interest to have immoral motives.
Siriusly intriguing notion
It's literally selfless to lie, steal, cheat, murder
and everything along those lines
Not unexpectedly
It doesn't help you at all to do those things;
it just corrupts your soul
and sooner or later people will not want to associate with you.
Obviously Individuality leads to individual preferences
Everyone is self-absorbed differently
meaning, everyone wants, desires, and needs different things.
IF they are willing to trade
If one person has something you want,
and you have something they want
you can help each other selfishly.
To associate solely with those from whom one can get something
And if you want something that someone else doesn't have
you don't have to waste your time on them and vice versa.
Using people to get what one wants
I think that's way better than just being selfless
and hoping
that what you're doing will help the other person
at your own expense.
Certainly motivation is key
And people can have bad motives selflessly as well.
Interesting perspective
In fact,
I think
people would be more inclined to have evil motives if they are selfless
because most value appreciation
because every action they take
is either to get the person to like them or appreciate them
to "appear" moral
Those kinds of people have got themselves crucified in the past
and to ultimately base their entire existence on the behalf of someone else
and not themselves
that can only end badly
To say “we all to know those things never work”
People should not be responsible for your well-being.
YOU are responsible for your well-being.
I think this is why the Sun is exalted in Aries
and debilitated in Libra.
And not to get political, but being selflessly absorbed
is similar to communism, socialism, or collectivism
... and we all know those things never work.
Humans are social animals indeed
Humans need other people,
but only if it benefits the individual;
otherwise, what's the point of being in a group?
Very suspicious indeed in our “me society”
Forgot to mention,
I question the motives of the people who are NOT out for themselves.
Something must be wrong with them
It seems then
and the people that willingly take advantage
of people who are NOT out for themselves
are psychopaths, narcissists, or energy vampires.
That "the most evil people in the world" are perceived as thriving
The most evil people in the world
would not be able to thrive
if selfless people did not exist.
"If you're not for yourself, who are you?
If you're only for yourself, what are you?"-
-{paraphrasing Rabbi Hillel}
motivation is key
And people can have bad motives selflessly as well.
Interesting perspective
In fact,
I think
people would be more inclined to have evil motives if they are selfless
because most value appreciation
because every action they take
is either to get the person to like them or appreciate them
to "appear" moral
Those kinds of people have got themselves crucified in the past
and to ultimately base their entire existence on the behalf of someone else
and not themselves
that can only end badly
To say “we all to know those things never work”
People should not be responsible for your well-being.
YOU are responsible for your well-being.
I think this is why the Sun is exalted in Aries
and debilitated in Libra.
And not to get political, but being selflessly absorbed
is similar to communism, socialism, or collectivism
... and we all know those things never work.
Humans are social animals indeed
Humans need other people,
but only if it benefits the individual;
otherwise, what's the point of being in a group?
Very suspicious indeed in our “me society”
Forgot to mention,
I question the motives of the people who are NOT out for themselves.
Something must be wrong with them
It seems then
and the people that willingly take advantage
of people who are NOT out for themselves
are psychopaths, narcissists, or energy vampires.
That "the most evil people in the world" are perceived as thriving
The most evil people in the world
would not be able to thrive
if selfless people did not exist.
That "the most evil people in the world" are perceived as thriving
is misperception
evil people do not ultimately thrive
also
If selfless people are content while being selfless
then that is their prerogative
You're welcome. :3
BTW, it's not in anyone selfish interest to have immoral motives. It's literally selfless to lie, steal, cheat, murder and everything along those lines. It doesn't help you at all to do those things; it just corrupts your soul and sooner or later people will not want to associate with you.
Everyone is self-absorbed differently, meaning, everyone wants, desires, and needs different things. If one person has something you want, and you have something they want, you can help each other selfishly. And if you want something that someone else doesn't have, you don't have to waste your time on them and vice versa. I think that's way better than just being selfless and hoping that what you're doing will help the other person at your own expense.
And people can have bad motives selflessly as well. In fact, I think people would be more inclined to have evil motives if they are selfless because every action they take is either to get the person to like them or appreciate them, to "appear" moral, and to ultimately base their entire existence on the behalf of someone else and not themselves; that can only end badly.
People should not be responsible for your well-being. YOU are responsible for your well-being.
I think this is why the Sun is exalted in Aries and debilitated in Libra.
And not to get political, but being selflessly absorbed is similar to communism, socialism, or collectivism... and we all know those things never work. Humans need other people, but only if it benefits the individual; otherwise, what's the point of being in a group?
Forgot to mention, I question the motives of the people who are NOT out for themselves. Something must be wrong with them, and the people that willingly take advantage of people who are NOT out for themselves are psychopaths, narcissists, or energy vampires. The most evil people in the world would not be able to thrive if selfless people did not exist.
You're welcome - glad that made sense too. Not the case usually with me. Anyway, whenever I see a cluster of many outer planet transits hitting someone it's usually a sign things are feeling really chaotic in a person's life. If the chart indicates introversion it's even more so because we are not as capable of unloading it on others to get a perspective on what's happening. So anything that can help is good.Thank you jkxx74
It is good food for thought. Philosophy is a great thing. To just sit around and ponder things is great.
Anyway, AtomsInPlace, you should be proud of your chart and it's "selfishness" The majority of the planets are on the left side of the chart, which is something I envy considering that all of my personal planets are on the right side of my chart. Planets on the left usually indicates someone who is a leader and is not bogged down by the people around them. People with planets on the right are usually followers who let people control them. Even the planet on the right side of your chart (moon) is in the strong and "selfish" sign of Aries!