I haven't been involved with this thread at all, haven't read any but the initial post, which I did this evening, about a half hour ago.
I cast a chart for the USA the moment Pluto does go retrograde on April 27, 2021 @ 4:01:24 in Philadelphia, Penn. and other than some squares to the USA's natal Moon, I don't see a doggone thing that's cause for alarm. In fact, while that stellium in Taurus does square the USA's natal Moon, which was 16* Aquarius 49' 37" in the natal chart for the USA [The "Zero Hour" chart, i.e. 12:00:01 A.M. July 4, 1776 Philadelphia, Penn.] but must be adjusted for the Sidereal precession that has taken place since that date and which will be this coming April 27th, by my calculations, + 03* 24' 40" [+ or - 01"] which then puts the point of conjunction with the USA's natal Moon at 20* Aquarius 15' 17".
Thus Lilith will be square that point @ 20* Taurus 57' 50" and transiting Mercury and Venus, in the 18th and 17th degrees of Taurus will be square the natal Moon too, with Uranus in the 11th degree in a very weak square aspect. Yet the USA's natal Sun, sidereal adjusted will have its conjunction point @ 16 Cap 03' 08" that day, which all of the above, including Uranus will be in trine aspect to and the sidereal adjusted M.C. @ 15* Cap 08' 58" will be the same.
The M.C. of the event chart cast for Philadelphia at the exact moment of Pluto going retrograde happens to be @ 21* Gem 55' 14" and is thus conj. with the natal Mars of the USA, as Mars was @ 20* Gem 53' 14, thus the Sabian Symbols are not the same and the sidereal adjusted position for Mars on that date will be @ 24* Gem 17' 54", and doesn't seem to be much, if anything, of a factor ... When I use the event charts' axis for involvement I look to see if Sabian Symbols are involved as the axis of the event chart has no other possible means of influence on a natal chart... although the message derived from the four points of the event chart do have significance symbolically. Retrograde planets have significant symbology through the Sabian Symbols as to where the Planet goes retro, where it goes direct and when it makes its "final return", as the Moons Nodes at each of those moments reveal symbolically what it means to human society as a whole.
The point of where it goes retro is an impasse, which is revealed by the Sabian as to what divine precept the Planet of Transformation and Rebirth [or Death and Transformation for the "glass half full" crowd] is stuck at and can't get past. That of the point of going direct, is symbolically that precept that Pluto needs to use to get past that impasse, and the N.Node at the Final Return as to what it means to all of Human Society. Even the Part of Fortune for the event chart should be given consideration as in regard to this process and how it relates to the symbols found at the four points of the event charts' axis.
Of particular interest to me in this event chart is the transiting N.Node, which will be @ 11* Gem 02' 14", as the USA's natal Uranus, adjusted for the sidereal precession, will be on that day @ 12* Gem 17' 46" which the True N. Node was conjunct with on April 8th and will remain in a one degree orb until April 25th.
As my composite natal Mars with the natal chart of Yeshu'a/Jesus, I produced and am convinced of its veracity, is @ 11* Gem 30", I have to thank the thread initiator for making me aware of this matter as it seems I had better get the revised edition manuscript of my book to the publisher on, or about, that date... at least I had better check this thing out thoroughly as it has proven itself all through this endeavor I found myself in...ALL ABOUT THE TIMING.
Pluto will go retro in the 27th degree of Capricorn and the Sabian Symbol for that degree reveals the Divine precept that Pluto has reached an impasse with, the North Node in the 12th of Gemini as to how it concerns Human Society as a whole.
The Sabian Symbol for the 27th deg. of Capricorn is [according to Dane Rudhyar's book on the Sabian Symbols, "An Astrological Mandala ." for which the contents and the symbols for all 360 degrees can be found at this link:
http://www.mindfire.ca/An Astrological Mandala/An Astrological Mandala - Contents.htm ]
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(CAPRICORN 27°): PILGRIMS CLIMBING THE STEEP STEPS LEADING TO A MOUNTAIN SHRINE.
KEYNOTE: The ascent of the individualized consciousness to the highest realizations reached by the spiritual leaders of its culture.
We hear a great deal now about 'peak experiences', but this symbol tells us that they depend to a very great extent upon following a path that many have trod before, under the inspiration of the great Teachers and Sages of our race. The shrine is built by the unceasing dedication of perhaps generations of men. The pilgrimage is hallowed by the devotion of many, even though each person finds on their own mountaintop what to them seems a unique and transcendent revelation.
In this second stage symbol we witness the rise of the human consciousness; the preceding symbol spoke of what one may picture as the 'descent' of the energies of nature which, like water, flow down toward a lower level of intensity. It is man's supreme task to rise like fire, impelled by a vision they share with their companions. The Keyword: UPREACHING."
So, what the message of this upcoming event is apparently saying is that as far as the transformation of Human Society into a group, as a whole, into one that will seek the highest spiritual aspirations, a rise overall in all of Humanities' collective consciousness, the main motivator of transformation, i.e. the Planet Pluto, is having a problem getting us to do so?
Seems pretty spot on to me....
..and the N. Node at that time, the Sabain Symbol for the degree it is in will tell us as to why Pluto is at an impasse, what is holding it back from success and why it is going retro. to 're-up' on the cosmic energy of an earlier visited degree...? [ibid.]
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(GEMINI 12°): A NEGRO GIRL FIGHTS FOR HER INDEPENDENCE IN THE CITY.
KEYNOTE: Liberation from the ghosts of the past.
While 'newly opened lands' theoretically offer virgin fields for experience, in fact those men and women who reach them find themselves conditioned by their own past. They carry the ghosts of their former lives and the memories of collective social patterns with which they had identified their egos. Every new beginning is surrounded with ghosts (or personal and social karma). The racial struggle for equality of opportunity must go on, even if this equality is officially guaranteed by the Law. The struggle is within and takes many forms. The Puritans brought to the theoretically 'New World' the fears, the fanaticism and the aggressiveness of their European existence, and these often grew more virulent under the conditions found in the New World. But no field of activity is ever totally 'virgin'. It has its inhabitants, and they cling to their possessions or privileges. Whoever seeks to be truly an individual must be liberated from the past.
Here at this second stage we have the usual contrasting type of symbol. The new lands are opened, but they are filled with lives, and the pioneer's mind filled with ghosts, preconceptions, and prejudices or expectations. What is needed is a total LIQUIDATION of the past."
...Yep, there you have it...
Imho, if there is anyone among you all that doesn't understand the message being conveyed here, then you should find yourself some other study, profession, or hobby, other than astrology... in my humble opinion, of course
...Oh, I almost forgot... The Part of Destiny derived from the natal chart for the USA which was at 07* Gem 07' 59" on July 4th, 1776 after adjustment for the sidereal precession has a point of conjunction, on this coming April 27th, @ 10* Gemini 57' 49" [but the Sabian Symbol for the Astrological Parts, along with everything else, remain the same. The Divine precept that was one with whatever it is at the time of birth remains a constant, it's the point of conjunction that changes, that's all] and the transiting N. Node will be conjunct it, it is presently as a matter of fact.
The Sabian Symbol for the USA's Part of Destiny is [ibid]
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(GEMINI 8°): AROUSED STRIKERS SURROUND A FACTORY.
KEYNOTE: The disruptive power of the ambitious mind upon the organic wholeness of human relationship.
We are dealing in this sequence of symbols with man's discovery of the new powers residing in his special contribution to the total organism of this planet Earth — his consciousness and aggressive mind. The first stage (Phase 66) dealt with oil, the typical form of energy which the modern mind has made available. (These symbols were revealed before atomic energy was even thought of as a practical possibility.) Now we see in this new symbol a pictorial indication of what the use of this intellect-generated energy inevitably leads to: industrial unrest and violence. As man manages to rape the earth in order to demonstrate his power and intensify his pleasures and his sense of proud mastery, conflicts and disruptive processes are inevitably initiated.
The arousal is presented to us here in its collective social form because we have reached the emotional-cultural level. The type of power generated by the analytical intellectual faculties is essentially disruptive; it is based on the destruction of matter, and invites egocentric hoarding and spoliation — and, in general, privileges of one kind or another. This leads to a REVOLT AGAINST PRIVILEGES."
... Since day one, that's what the destiny of the USA has always been all about. ... but it seems to me there's been some backsliding going on for sometime now... I'm still keeping an eye on the doings of this new administration in D.C. to see who it will favor. Last I heard there was talk of taxing the billionaires their fair share which hasn't been done in a long time.
The event chart for the moment Pluto goes retrograde this coming April 27th