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Whats the difference between Mundane and Sidereal?


Help appreciated it.

Mundane astrology

is the study of heavenly cycles upon groups and nations
and is the most ancient branch of astrology.
The affairs of a nation can be judged
from the horoscope set up at the time of its official inauguration
and
various phenomena such as
eclipses, lunations, great conjunctions, stations, comets and ingresses.
Among these, ingresses have a traditional reputation
as the most important mundane event.







ANIMATION OF TROPICAL & SIDEREAL PERSPECTIVE
WITH DESCRIPTIVE NARRATIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-DYgGFjI





MOON is fastest of the seven visible classical planets
travelling each of twelve SIGNS
once a month aka "...moonth..."
spending approximately 2.5 days in each sign


but
is not always in the same sign SIDEREALLY as Tropical
because
although all Astrologers
are commenting on and making predictions
regarding THE IDENTICAL MOON in the skies


interestingly
a computer generated Tropical Chart
ALWAYS differs

by DEGREE occupied by the Moon
from Sidereal DEGREE occupied by the Moon
and sometimes differs by sign as well

Sidereal location of Moon
may be confirmed BY VISUAL observation of local skies

Notice there is a minimum difference of 20
up to a maximum of approximately 24
between Tropical and SIDEREAL MEASUREMENT
i.e.

ANY planet at 0 OF any Tropical SIGN
is SIDEREALLY between approximately 6 - 10
to a maximum 24 of the PREVIOUS SIGN
dependent on the ayanamsha



for beginners unfamiliar with Sidereal Astrology
Vedic astrology is Sidereal
and
there are also Western Sidereal Astrologers as well

for example

KENNETH BOWSER is a Western Sidereal Astrologer
at https://www.westernsiderealastrology.com/
and
Jim Eshelman https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?t=3


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1. The gods send signs to all nations, but they are not interpret the same for the different lands,
for one they signify hot weather, for another they signify cold weather,
and for third they signify temperate weather.


2. In the same way, the like-principles of rising times and daylight
become less discernible and causative in the equatorial zones.


3. Therefore another celestial influence is causative for nativities,
rather than the terrestrial effect of weather.
Otherwise, there would be no domicile, no exaltation
and no depression for the equatorial lands.


4. The rationale of the sidereal zodiac is compatible with this hypothesis,
the rationale of the tropical zodiac is not.



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The Fagan-Bradley ayanamsa is now slightly more than 25 degrees back from the First Point of tropical Aries, which is always located using the "V.P." (the Sun's position at the time Spring begins in the Northern hemisphere).
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Mundane astrology

is the study of heavenly cycles upon groups and nations
and is the most ancient branch of astrology.
The affairs of a nation can be judged
from the horoscope set up at the time of its official inauguration
and
various phenomena such as
eclipses, lunations, great conjunctions, stations, comets and ingresses.
Among these, ingresses have a traditional reputation
as the most important mundane event.







ANIMATION OF TROPICAL & SIDEREAL PERSPECTIVE
WITH DESCRIPTIVE NARRATIVE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-DYgGFjI





MOON is fastest of the seven visible classical planets
travelling each of twelve SIGNS
once a month aka "...moonth..."
spending approximately 2.5 days in each sign


but
is not always in the same sign SIDEREALLY as Tropical
because
although all Astrologers
are commenting on and making predictions
regarding THE IDENTICAL MOON in the skies


interestingly
a computer generated Tropical Chart
ALWAYS differs

by DEGREE occupied by the Moon
from Sidereal DEGREE occupied by the Moon
and sometimes differs by sign as well

Sidereal location of Moon
may be confirmed BY VISUAL observation of local skies

Notice there is a minimum difference of 20
up to a maximum of approximately 24
between Tropical and SIDEREAL MEASUREMENT
i.e.

ANY planet at 0 OF any Tropical SIGN
is SIDEREALLY between approximately 6 - 10
to a maximum 24 of the PREVIOUS SIGN
dependent on the ayanamsha



for beginners unfamiliar with Sidereal Astrology
Vedic astrology is Sidereal
and
there are also Western Sidereal Astrologers as well

for example

KENNETH BOWSER is a Western Sidereal Astrologer
at https://www.westernsiderealastrology.com/
and
Jim Eshelman https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?t=3


Quote:
1. The gods send signs to all nations, but they are not interpret the same for the different lands,
for one they signify hot weather, for another they signify cold weather,
and for third they signify temperate weather.


2. In the same way, the like-principles of rising times and daylight
become less discernible and causative in the equatorial zones.


3. Therefore another celestial influence is causative for nativities,
rather than the terrestrial effect of weather.
Otherwise, there would be no domicile, no exaltation
and no depression for the equatorial lands.


4. The rationale of the sidereal zodiac is compatible with this hypothesis,
the rationale of the tropical zodiac is not.



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I know you mean't well but I am more lost now than before.
"Mundane" astrology is about how the transiting Sun, Moon planets, etc. affect World and National events of all sorts.

"Sidereal" is one type of Zodiac used to track those transiting placements. It aligns the 12 Signs using the stars of the zodiacal constellations.

"Tropical" is another type of Zodiac, also used for Mundane purposes, which is the type most Western astrologers use. The word "tropical" refers to the Seasons, with the 12 Signs aligned according to the Sun's transiting position at the beginning of Spring, Summer, Fall, and Winter.

These two types of Zodiacs have their Sign-boundaries located differently, so the Sun at the beginning tropical Aries, for example, which it first enters in late March at the beginning of Spring, will be in sidereal Pisces on that same date.

So, "Mundane" is a type of astrological practice , along with Natal-chart astrology.

Whereas, "sidereal", is the type of astrological Zodiac being used, as an alternative to the "tropical" type of Zodiac.

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Whats the difference between Mundane and Sidereal?

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I know you mean't well but I am more lost now than before.
watch the short video to find out what SIDEREAL means

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-DYgGFjI



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watch the short video to find out what SIDEREAL means

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-DYgGFjI



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OK I get it. It's the motion of the Earth around the Sun its called Precession....It takes 365 days for the Earth to make a complete rotation around the Sun I get all that...

How do you put all that into a chart? I guess I should expand why I am asking all these questions. I want to try my hand at political astrology.....Problem is here about I cannot find anything on it...

I do not know where to get these national charts for countries...Do I make them myself through some astrology program or what?
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OK I get it. It's the motion of the Earth around the Sun its called Precession....It takes 365 days for the Earth to make a complete rotation around the Sun I get all that...

How do you put all that into a chart? I guess I should expand why I am asking all these questions. I want to try my hand at political astrology.....Problem is here about I cannot find anything on it...

I do not know where to get these national charts for countries...Do I make them myself through some astrology program or what?
Are you planning on using tropical charts or sidereal charts?
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Are you planning on using tropical charts or sidereal charts?
Hi Dave..I would prefer to use sidereal....
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Hi Dave..I would prefer to use sidereal....
Solunars is a Western sidereal community that uses the Fagan-Bradley setting for the sidereal Zodiac.

Easy to join, and will very likely help you with what you're planning.

https://solunars.com

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One World, my belief is, that both tropical and sidereal astrology "work".

An analogy is AM and FM radio. You can get information from both, just not at the same time--like, two different angles of view of the same phenomenon.

Just so you know, Solunars has the attitude that tropical astrology is fake astrology and that only sidereal is "real" astrology. And, many tropical astrologers dismiss sidereal as being of no value.

I'm a Sun Pisces trine Jupiter in Scorpio in both, and believe in the value of both, each in its own way.

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watch the short video to find out what SIDEREAL means

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-DYgGFjI
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OK I get it.
It's the motion of the Earth around the Sun
its called Precession....
It takes 365 days for the Earth
to make a complete rotation around the Sun

I get all that...
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How do you put all that into a chart?
Sidereal Astrology Charts Free Online Astrology Calculators

at https://horoscopes.astro-seek.com/si...art-calculator


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I guess I should expand why I am asking all these questions.
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for beginners unfamiliar with SIDEREAL Astrology
Vedic astrology is Sidereal

and

there are also Western Sidereal Astrologers as well
for example

KENNETH BOWSER is a Western Sidereal Astrologer
at https://www.westernsiderealastrology.com/

and ALSO

Jim Eshelman https://www.solunars.com/viewtopic.php?t=3

I want to try my hand at political astrology.....


Problem is here about I cannot find anything on it...
I do not know where to get these national charts for countries.

Do I make them myself through some astrology program or what?

INDEX OF NATIONAL HOROSCOPES

https://members.tripod.com/tra_natio...ex_nations.htm


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keep in mind that
Mundane astrology is crucially very Hierarchical
and these are the

CURRENT MUNDANE ASTROLOGY CHARTS IN HIERARCHICAL ORDER

Grand Conjunction 1702
21 May 1702
4:01:37 PM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York
074W00'37"
40N42'26"


Great Mutation (Earth) 1802
17 Jul 1802
5:52:26 PM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York



Great Conjunction 2020
marking the planets' closest encounter in nearly 400 years
AS WELL AS
bringING the alignment back to within about 1 degree of its starting place:
an approximate 800 year cycle termed SECOND ORDER RECURRENCE
aka GREAT MUTATION CYCLE

https://ccnyplanetarium.org/posts/20...tion-2020.html
21 December 2020
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York




Great Malefic 2004
25 May 2004
1:20 AM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York
....is currently the operating Malefic Chart
and then the following will become operative....
Great Malefic 2034
26 Jun 2034
5:33:42 PM
+4:56:02
Federal Hall, New York


2021 Aries Ingress
20 Mar 2021
Federal Hall, New York




INSERT YOUR NATAL CHART HERE
That is where your natal chart place is in the hierarchy of charts.

next INSERT HORARY CHART HERE
That is where horary charts are in the hierarchy of charts


Note: Relocate the chart(s) to your country
and
for maximum accuracy, use the "foundation point"
eg: Romania = Alba Iulia, not Bucharesti
Japan = Kyoto, not Tokyo
Spain = Toledo, not Madrid
and so on

i.e.
THUS


Starting with the Grand Conjunction
IF YOU ALSO USE MONTHLY LUNAR NEW MOON CHARTS

then your Natal Chart would be 7th in the pecking order
and
Horary is below your Natal Chart
and is lowest on the Mundane Hierarchy

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Jupiter's alignment with Saturn
occurs at intervals of just under 20 years
The aspect is occasionally repeated due to a retrograde
of one or both planets.
Each successive conjunction
not counting retrograde repeats
occurs at a mean advance of
approximately 243 degrees relative to its predecessor
although from one alignment to the next
this arc can vary considerably.

Every third conjunction
i.e.
once every 60 years
brings the alignment back
to its starting place, plus around 9 degrees:
this 60 year cycle is termed
FIRST ORDER RECURRENCE of the conjunction.


EXAMPLE IMAGE IS OF RECENT 21 December 2020

GREAT MUTATION Once In Every 800 Years
SECOND ORDER RECURRENCE CYCLE






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Yeah easy for you to say..Tried joining 4 times and its locked me out cause because I cannot answer those ridiculous spambot questions! **** like " how many does it take to change a light bulb or some dumb *** question like that...And no matter what answer I give its wrong. Not worth the headache!
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I will keep trying maybe I will get lucky and answer one of those spambot questions right...Still trying to figure out how planets change light bulbs though? Anyone know?
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I will keep trying maybe I will get lucky

and answer one of those spambot questions right...
Still trying to figure out how planets change light bulbs though?
Anyone know?

Fun Fact

since Ancient times, traditionally
SUN and MOON are known as "...The Lights..."
MOON has no light of her own, simply reflecting light of the sun




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Retrograde, then Direct!
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I will keep trying

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Still trying to figure out
how planets change light bulbs though? Anyone know?

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since Ancient times, traditionally
SUN and MOON are known as "...The Lights..."
MOON has no light of her own, simply reflecting light of the sun

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Retrograde, then Direct!
Another Fun Fact for those who are unaware

is:

NEITHER Sun NOR Moon Is EVER retrograde

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I joined a long time ago before those spambots questions you describe. Sorry to hear about it.
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