What stands out about my chart?

rahbani89

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I'm fairly new to this but I'm curious to get some specific feedback rather than trying to make my own (off target :p) inferences.
 

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Well, my mother was always encouraging. Didn't have much communication with my dad. What makes you say that?

You have a few classic indicators (mars conjunt i.c. square planets in the 1st,moon in pisces, saturn in 12th), but it's all cook book stuff. I like your chart, it looks a lot like mine, with 12th/1st emphasis. :biggrin:
 
You have a very dynamic, interesting mars. How do you feel about mars issues? Also, your sun in the first is pretty unsupported and kinda under fire...do you feel that you are quite public, but struggle with self-esteem issues? Chart ruler in the 12th is kinda hard for saturn, also conjunct neptune. Your ambitions might be hard to access. Pluto on M.C. opp mars...what were you saying about your father...not a part of your life...?
Father themes seem strong to me here. Whether he was present or not.
 

rahbani89

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You have a very dynamic, interesting mars. How do you feel about mars issues? Also, your sun in the first is pretty unsupported and kinda under fire...do you feel that you are quite public, but struggle with self-esteem issues? Chart ruler in the 12th is kinda hard for saturn, also conjunct neptune. Your ambitions might be hard to access. Pluto on M.C. opp mars...what were you saying about your father...not a part of your life...?
Father themes seem strong to me here. Whether he was present or not.

I'm not sure how to feel about mars, your mention of it has me looking at it very closely now haha. Not sure what you mean by public, but there are very high expectations of me by my closest family and friends. Everyone seems to have input on what I should be doing except for myself, so I can definitely agree with what you are saying about Saturn and Neptune. As for the the father themes, I was essentially raised by and around women. Never had any father figure.
 

rahbani89

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To add to the father theme. My dad was/is an ***. I spent a lot of my youth (and still do) comforting my mom because he found it more important to support his brothers and parents rather than his own family.
 
Poor you and your mom! Yeah, that really seems to fit...with moon in picses you'd be so sweet, trying to help her...just don't go too far being the martyr.
 

dr. farr

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1) Power packed first whole sign house (Uranus, Saturn, Neptune, Mercury)
2) "Deep" planets (Saturn, Neptune, Uranus) all in the first house
3) Saturn in its rulership in the first house
4) Mercury in its "House of Joy" (ie, the first house)
5) excess elemental Earth deficient elemental Fire
6) possibility of some kind/type "rigidness" or "inflexibility" might be indicated by relative deficiency of Mutable quality in this chart
 

rahbani89

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1) Power packed first whole sign house (Uranus, Saturn, Neptune, Mercury)
2) "Deep" planets (Saturn, Neptune, Uranus) all in the first house
3) Saturn in its rulership in the first house
4) Mercury in its "House of Joy" (ie, the first house)
5) excess elemental Earth deficient elemental Fire
6) possibility of some kind/type "rigidness" or "inflexibility" might be indicated by relative deficiency of Mutable quality in this chart

Are my Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune not in the twelfth house?
 

dr. farr

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Depends upon what house division system one applies; since I (personally) am convinced of the superior accuracy of whole sign houses (my opinion no offense meant!) then I would say (whole sign would say) that Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are in the 1st house (the ascendant)
 

rahbani89

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Depends upon what house division system one applies; since I (personally) am convinced of the superior accuracy of whole sign houses (my opinion no offense meant!) then I would say (whole sign would say) that Saturn, Uranus and Neptune are in the 1st house (the ascendant)

Hmm I wasn't aware of the different house systems. My interest has been sparked so thank you for that! Would I apply the same interpretations then but to different signs. I.E. 5th house Taurus instead of 5th house Gemini?
 

dr. farr

Well-known member
Yes you would: in whole sign:
1st = Capricorn
2nd = Aquarius
3rd = Pisces
4th = Aries
5th = Taurus
6th = Gemini
7th = Cancer
8th = Leo
9th = Virgo
10th = Libra
11th = Scorpio
12th = Sagittarius

In whole sign your MC point is in the 11th house of Scorpio and your IC point is in the 5th house of Taurus (ascendant and descendant points always remain the same when using whole sign) The "sensitive points" (cusps) for each house are the 20th degree of each respective sign. Your Part of Fortrune (using a night birth formula) falls @ 4 Capricorn, which adds to the already power-packed 1st house!
 
Hmm I wasn't aware of the different house systems. My interest has been sparked so thank you for that! Would I apply the same interpretations then but to different signs. I.E. 5th house Taurus instead of 5th house Gemini?

I use Equal House system (where each cusp is same as Ascendant) and am a modern astrologer. Lots of newcomers come into Astrology/forums and get a free chart from www.astro.com and the default ‘house system’ used is Placidus and think that’s just the norm and all there is……..BUT that is just the tip of the iceberg. You can change the default on astro.com in Extended Chart selection to Equal house and a few others if you wish to experiment…..

Within the mainstream here on AW of placidus/equal houses (the default on astro is placidus) only difference being some planets may move from one house to another thereby altering it's interpretation and it's 'only' with research will you find which planets 'fit you' in which houses. So my advice, do two charts, research any planets that move houses and see which you identity with - simple

You can get an immediate chart interpretation from astro.com. From ‘free horoscopes tab look for free 'personal portrait' interpretation of a natal chart in the free horoscope section, you simply put the cursor on a planet and it brings a pop up box to explain what it means to have a planet in that house and any other aspects it has to natal planets. plus a six month free transit report in 'short report' Robert Hand gives a valuable in depth explanation of transits here – only slight objection I have with astro, is they use orbs of upto maybe 10' approaching, exact and departing. So most transits seem very long in effect. I use more realistic orbs of 1' approaching, 1' exact and 1' departing.
http://www.khaldea.com/ephemcenter.shtml
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42496

here is my favourite online ephemeris which plots where the planets are for hundreds of years...

Re: Need some education: Which charts to use when?
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=17514

Beginning to Study Astrology
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showpost.php?p=154469&postcount=10
http://www.soulhealing.com/tutorialwest.htm
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/astrology-glyphs.php
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/astrology-lessons.php
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/chartreading.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planets_in_astrology
http://wilsontc.stormloader.com/#continue
( this is our Moderator/Admin Tim’s website)
http://www.bobmarksastrologer.com/TOClessons.htm
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natalastrology.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/astrology-lessons.php

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/learn-astrology/inner-outer.php
http://moonvalleyastrologer.com/tutorial.htm

How to attach a chart as thumbnail
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12126

May I suggest you read the 'welcome to the world of astrology’ and other ---sticky' at the top of this forum? It has some great explanations, links etc. At the top of every forum there are lots of ‘stickys’ which explain matters in that forum, along with guidelines & tips

There is a 'plethora' of information on AW, espec in the 'stickys' at the top of every forum, our Education forum and Recommendations forum to. Plus we have a good search feature,[but not foolproof obviously, so try here first] bit like google using keywords – initially select advanced and try just selecting 'titles' rather than posts
 
Hmm I wasn't aware of the different house systems. My interest has been sparked so thank you for that! Would I apply the same interpretations then but to different signs. I.E. 5th house Taurus instead of 5th house Gemini?

Throughout the forums but mainly in natal astrology there are two main branches Placidus (unequal size houses) v Equal House (whereby each house is same size) but lots more……. For more information on these go here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_house_system#Equal_House
http://www.astrolozy.com/article19.asp
http://www.skyviewzone.com/birthinfoforms2/housesexplained.htm
For further research try here...
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3280&highlight=placidus+equal
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=638&highlight=house+system
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=152849#post152849
http://www.astryoologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?p=189223#post189223

It's only with study and research will you be able to assess where your planets are deposited and in which houses... thus see which 'glove fits'
 
I'm curious if one of your parents wasn't a bit aggresive undermining your self-esteem? Sorry if I'm way off...

If you want to see how he got on with mother look to his moon aspects. they are all easy except for moon square jupiter and these two planets really quite get along inanyevent.

Moon in pisces is very sensitive restless place conj North Node, suggesting mother and/or women will be instrumental in his Lessons in this lifetime...

Lastly, moon is apex for talent triangle
Talent triangle
http://joycehopewell.blogspot.com/2006/07/belle-filles-recorder.html
http://stellarclock.com/blog/2009/08/23/small-talent-triangle/
http://www.janeritson-astrologer.co.uk/Personalities_Charts_1.html

I can see where you are coming from mars conj IC can sometimes suggest one parent as being bit argumentative...
Now sun square pluto can show problems relating to father/men and sun square mars will not only modify sun energies into being more assertive, aggressive and perhaps even wanting to control others.

Now mars opp pluto really needs to do something physical, like sports, martial arts, the riskier the better. Do you enjoy things, like bunjie jumping or mountain climbing??

http://www.celestialperspective.com/library/marspluto-aspectswhat-determines-theyre
mars/Pluto aspects by Donna Cunningham
 
Actually, I've just notice you have a 'cradle configuration' same as me....

Cradle configuration
two x talent triangles or minor grand trines, the outer two linked by an opposition. It seems to be a mixed blessing, with potential but to due them being easy aspects can lack the follow through to achieve. In male chats can lean towards extrovert, and in female charts passive, introvert qualities there is a need to be careful not to scatter energies without achieving much.

“The Cradle configuration has two Wedge figures in it, providing two different ways to potentially escape from the stress - or transform it into creativity”.
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/cradle_configuration.html

http://www.astrotheme.com/files/figu...ed-aspects.php
http://cafeastrology.com/articles/aspectpatterns.html
Cafeastrology calls this aspect Trapeze, which with my own research is not, but something different. The glossary below explains the differences.
http://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/astrology/I-so-TOTALLY-have-a-Cradle-2271823.asp
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1554
http://www.lunarliving.org/astrology...e_cradle.shtml

“The apex planet can be a source of great creativity that channels the stress into positive, constructive activity, although the stress of the opposition may or may not finally be resolved. The Cradle has two Wedge figures in it, providing two different ways to potentially escape from the stress — or transform it into creativity. However, with so much opportunity to avoid problems, the temptation to take the easy way out is very strong. As a result, with a Cradle configuration in their chart may find it very difficult to resolve/heal the conflicts in their life represented by the opposition”
http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/glossary/glossary_bc.htm
This last link is the best information available on this aspect
 
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Cradle cont/….
“The more the person can learn to face and resolve the conflict of the opposition, the more they will be able to use the talents and natural abilities in the Cradle in ways that are healthy, constructive and healing. On the other hand, the avoidance of problems can generate some pretty impressive creative ability, in the broadest sense of the word - not just artistic but any innovative, original or imaginative approach to the obstacles and challenges of life.”
http://www.evolvingdoor.ca/glossary/glossary_bc.htm

that T Square with sun as apex, is very common in charts..

T Square
http://www.drstandley.com/astrologycharts_tsquare.shtml
“Two planets in opposition squared to a third. The tension typical of the opposition aspect is aggravated by additional problems introduced by the third planet. Often an obstructive feature blocking the normal flow of behaviour of the person. Person needs to develop activities represented by the "missing" arm of the T-square to achieve wholeness”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natal_astrology#Aspect_patterns
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/aspects2.html
“The t-square is exactly like the above configuration except that one of the signs is missing. Time and again this is described as trying to sit in a chair with three legs. Ironically, the individual becomes the fourth leg by acting out the traits which are missing in the chart.”
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/moreaspects2.htm

what tends to happen with T Squares is that a transit, progression or solar arc comes along and temporary converts it to a Grand Square, which does cause enormous tensions/problems internally, but the good thing is the get you up off your backside to resolve issues.

having your chart ruler Saturn, stuck in 12th is not great, it suggests to me that you need time alone to commune and have some privacy. the whole chart with only pluto visible above the horizon suggests to me a rather introverted nature, more concerned with your own inner development, rathe than being 'out there'....
 

rahbani89

Member
Whoa, tons of information here. Thank you astrologer50!, you definitely have accomplished what your signature states haha. All your personal interpretations have hit the nail directly on its head; I am truly blown away. I can not thank you enough for your help, the idea of T-squares and the cradle configuration really stand out to me after reading some of those links. This should keep me busy for a while, but I'll be back with what I learn :)
 
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