Dear Arian Maverick, I hate the fact that this poor little egg had the regent of its ascendant in opposition to the Asc. itself!!! and the poor siblings watching there!!! (very tragic, hahaha).
OK, for the topic: you really took some time reading all that and posting it. Besides the fact of respecting Mr. Coleman for writing and conducting the statistics (something I wouldn't have the patience to do), I deeply disagree with his approach to astrology in the first place.
We all know that there are not two equal charts, even if you consider the lapse of 24,700 years or so for the "realignment" of planets to their original position, the galaxy itself would not be the same then... so, if two twins have very different lifes and experiences and if we consider the magnitude of these mathematical combinations, it makes no sense to put every person in the planet in just one out of twelve categories!!!
I think it's very "Roman astrology" and we all know not a single Aries is even closer to similar to the next one. (Imagine hospitals including "zodiacal sign" in their entry forms!!!)
Also, those statistics show very little difference, in some cases, between signs regarding one particular sympton. It reminded me of Gauquelin and his "cosmic clocks" conducting statistics that showed exactly the opposite thing from what he wanted to prove.
If you consider an aries with a moon in conjunction with his sun: is it dicreasing or not? it's going to make a world of difference (leaving aside the fact that one of them is going to kill the kid almost inmediately) Now, please indulge me and put that same moon in a trigon to that sun, in a square? whatever... how does that arian person feel during his whole life?
What if his saturn is in some specific position and the poor fellow suffers a chronic disease for years, in pain and with no hope at all? how does he feel?
On the other hand, give him some nice aspects for his moon and mercury, his mars in domicile in a trigon to saturn in the midheaven in sagitarius in the 9th house (which will give him just some muscular pains) this person is not going to understand the meaning of the word "depresion" and I ask: do we know how many arians have these kinds of aspects? (probably many thousands)
I am also thinking of a good mars (also in domicile) in a sun-moon opposition chart (besides the fact of not being very good at socializing, not a big problem for many), I can imagine an extremely successful person who copes with hundreds of problems and succeeds every time (at whatever it is), perhaps not the happiest one but deppresion is a forbidden word for this dude.
Show me one chart where saturn and venus are connected in any possible way, then tell me about all the stories this person is going to tell you about his love life (couple, children, friends?) Very sad or at least, hard to live with.
No matter what the solar sign is.
Or give me a moon in Capricorn or a moon connected to saturn by conjunction, oppostion or square... there are so many possibilities to have a deppressed person regardless his sun sign...
Again, let us imagine a bad sun in house one and some difficult collocations in the chart of a (say) killer? He goes to jail in the worst imaginable conditions with a thirty year sentence. Two years later, when his excellent neptune in house twelve goes over his natal sun (imagine some twenty years after his birthday) and the guy tells you: "I discovered the existence of God!!!" and he spends the rest of his life in prison learning teology and helping others and so on and so forth... he will go out of prison and he will devote the rest of his life to some religious activities in a church. I can assure you it doesn't matter what sign he is, he is going to have a happy life, because that good neptune in transit over his sun is going to change him forever.
Which brings me back to Mr. Coleman and my question now is: when is that aries going to suffer from depression? at what age? didn't Mr. Coleman consider transits and the theory of ages and NLP?
I don't want to bother you all with my sometimes rambling speech and I want to make it clear that I am not criticising you Arian Maverick, far from that. I just wanted to call some attention to the enormous value of each separated natal chart regardless the solar sign. I don't like the idea of overgeneralising in any aspect of human life.
All the best to all, Adriana
OK, for the topic: you really took some time reading all that and posting it. Besides the fact of respecting Mr. Coleman for writing and conducting the statistics (something I wouldn't have the patience to do), I deeply disagree with his approach to astrology in the first place.
We all know that there are not two equal charts, even if you consider the lapse of 24,700 years or so for the "realignment" of planets to their original position, the galaxy itself would not be the same then... so, if two twins have very different lifes and experiences and if we consider the magnitude of these mathematical combinations, it makes no sense to put every person in the planet in just one out of twelve categories!!!
I think it's very "Roman astrology" and we all know not a single Aries is even closer to similar to the next one. (Imagine hospitals including "zodiacal sign" in their entry forms!!!)
Also, those statistics show very little difference, in some cases, between signs regarding one particular sympton. It reminded me of Gauquelin and his "cosmic clocks" conducting statistics that showed exactly the opposite thing from what he wanted to prove.
If you consider an aries with a moon in conjunction with his sun: is it dicreasing or not? it's going to make a world of difference (leaving aside the fact that one of them is going to kill the kid almost inmediately) Now, please indulge me and put that same moon in a trigon to that sun, in a square? whatever... how does that arian person feel during his whole life?
What if his saturn is in some specific position and the poor fellow suffers a chronic disease for years, in pain and with no hope at all? how does he feel?
On the other hand, give him some nice aspects for his moon and mercury, his mars in domicile in a trigon to saturn in the midheaven in sagitarius in the 9th house (which will give him just some muscular pains) this person is not going to understand the meaning of the word "depresion" and I ask: do we know how many arians have these kinds of aspects? (probably many thousands)
I am also thinking of a good mars (also in domicile) in a sun-moon opposition chart (besides the fact of not being very good at socializing, not a big problem for many), I can imagine an extremely successful person who copes with hundreds of problems and succeeds every time (at whatever it is), perhaps not the happiest one but deppresion is a forbidden word for this dude.
Show me one chart where saturn and venus are connected in any possible way, then tell me about all the stories this person is going to tell you about his love life (couple, children, friends?) Very sad or at least, hard to live with.
No matter what the solar sign is.
Or give me a moon in Capricorn or a moon connected to saturn by conjunction, oppostion or square... there are so many possibilities to have a deppressed person regardless his sun sign...
Again, let us imagine a bad sun in house one and some difficult collocations in the chart of a (say) killer? He goes to jail in the worst imaginable conditions with a thirty year sentence. Two years later, when his excellent neptune in house twelve goes over his natal sun (imagine some twenty years after his birthday) and the guy tells you: "I discovered the existence of God!!!" and he spends the rest of his life in prison learning teology and helping others and so on and so forth... he will go out of prison and he will devote the rest of his life to some religious activities in a church. I can assure you it doesn't matter what sign he is, he is going to have a happy life, because that good neptune in transit over his sun is going to change him forever.
Which brings me back to Mr. Coleman and my question now is: when is that aries going to suffer from depression? at what age? didn't Mr. Coleman consider transits and the theory of ages and NLP?
I don't want to bother you all with my sometimes rambling speech and I want to make it clear that I am not criticising you Arian Maverick, far from that. I just wanted to call some attention to the enormous value of each separated natal chart regardless the solar sign. I don't like the idea of overgeneralising in any aspect of human life.
All the best to all, Adriana
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