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Question will we remain friends

This is a new friendship but due to other influences, the friendship has become strained, also due to miscommunication, So
Will we remain friends?

I have no idea how to do horary so any insights are welcome
am I represented by moon and my friend by saturn? Oh sorry Im really clueless with this
Moon in Capricorn in 7th house
Saturn in scorpio in 4th house

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Re: will we remain friends

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You = the Moon = Lord of Asc = first
He = Saturn = Lord of the 7th

The Moon is in its sign of detriment, in Cap = his sign = he does not do you much good or will not do much to support you. The Moon is in the 7th house = his house = you are 'seeking' him. The Moon is just separating from a conjunction to Mars = his 11th H ruler = his H of friendship. Mars in Cap is exalted = he will be the one calling the shots regarding friendship yes or no. I do think he has friendship on his mind, but might not do much to make it happen and you might move on.

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Hi,

You = the Moon = Lord of Asc = first
He = Saturn = Lord of the 7th

The Moon is in its sign of detriment, in Cap = his sign = he does not do you much good or will not do much to support you. The Moon is in the 7th house = his house = you are 'seeking' him. The Moon is just separating from a conjunction to Mars = his 11th H ruler = his H of friendship. Mars in Cap is exalted = he will be the one calling the shots regarding friendship yes or no. I do think he has friendship on his mind, but might not do much to make it happen and you might move on.

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Hi Aq7
We have linked business clients etc so its in both our interests to keep the friendship, he did show a romantic interest in the beginning but now I find out he is married, despite that would like just the friendship to continue within the business. Yes its true he has called the shots so far, I dont expect he will be very supportive but for my business concerns.
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Re: will we remain friends

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This is a new friendship but due to other influences, the friendship has become strained, also due to miscommunication, So
Will we remain friends?

I have no idea how to do horary so any insights are welcome
am I represented by moon and my friend by saturn? Oh sorry Im really clueless with this
Moon in Capricorn in 7th house
Saturn in scorpio in 4th house

Thanks in advance
You are signified by Moon, ruler of the 1st. Your friend is signified by Venus, ruler of the 11th, with the question being, will you remain friends?

Both Moon and Venus are severely debilitated in their detriment. This lack of essential dignity calls into question the goodness of motivation for becoming friends in the first place.

By accidental dignity, Moon is strong in the 7th, fast, increasing in light, and just past conjunction with exalted Mars.
Venus is in strong in her joy in the 5th and also fast.
Conversely, there is unfavorable reception, as Moon negatively receives Venus in the sign of the Moon's fall, Scorpio.
So there is power to remain friends, although this calls into question how much you may really like this person.

Lastly, Moon applies to a sextile with Venus, its aspect suggesting there will be occasion or opportunity for the friendship to continue.

When we look at the overall information, the goodness of motive to become friends is called into question. There is power to remain friends should you both choose, but the inclination may be diminished on your part, as all the facts come out in the open. Then should you still chose to remain friends, knowing all that you do, the friendship will likely remain.
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You are signified by Moon, ruler of the 1st. Your friend is signified by Venus, ruler of the 11th, with the question being, will you remain friends?

Both Moon and Venus are severely debilitated in their detriment. This lack of essential dignity calls into question the goodness of motivation for becoming friends in the first place.

By accidental dignity, Moon is strong in the 7th, fast, increasing in light, and just past conjunction with exalted Mars.
Venus is in strong in her joy in the 5th and also fast.
Conversely, there is unfavorable reception, as Moon negatively receives Venus in the sign of the Moon's fall, Scorpio.
So there is power to remain friends, although this calls into question how much you may really like this person.

Illene for my own learning - Moon being in negative reception to venus shows because moon is in detriment in Scorpio? So this means I will be negative and cautious at any approach from him?
Venus being strong does this mean he has more interest in keeping the friendship than I do?
At this moment we do not socialise together its only business contacts even though it was more social in the beginning. I dont believe we will socialise again unless its a business arrangement or he has a sudden urge to take me out. Even though there is some karmic connection with this person, I want to learn what I can so I dont fall into this situation again.

Lastly, Moon applies to a sextile with Venus, suggesting there will be occasion or opportunity for the friendship to continue.
Accidental diginity how does this happen or what do you mean by that?

When we look at the overall information, the goodness of motive to become friends is called into question. There is power to remain friends should you both choose, but the inclination may be diminished on your part, as all the facts come out in the open. Then should you still chose to remain friends, knowing all that you do, the friendship will likely remain.
Do you think there is more information to be revealed from this person? Thanks for your help in trying to understand horary
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Re: will we remain friends

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You are signified by Moon, ruler of the 1st. Your friend is signified by Venus, ruler of the 11th, with the question being, will you remain friends?

Both Moon and Venus are severely debilitated in their detriment. This lack of essential dignity calls into question the goodness of motivation for becoming friends in the first place.

By accidental dignity, Moon is strong in the 7th, fast, increasing in light, and just past conjunction with exalted Mars.
Venus is in strong in her joy in the 5th and also fast.
Conversely, there is unfavorable reception, as Moon negatively receives Venus in the sign of the Moon's fall, Scorpio.
So there is power to remain friends, although this calls into question how much you may really like this person.

Ilene for my own learning - Moon being in negative reception to venus shows because moon is in detriment in Scorpio? So this means I will be negative and cautious at any approach from him?
The negative reception suggests that your attraction to the friendship is weaker than his.

Venus being strong does this mean he has more interest in keeping the friendship than I do?
We have to look at the overall strength of Venus, its essential dignity, its accidental dignity, including reception, and the aspect, if any.
Moon and Venus have about the same accidental dignity overall.
Moon has more strong characteristics but also a negative reception.
Venus is strong but with fewer accidental strengths than Moon.
So in some sense the power to keep the friendship is about the same. You just have a stronger aversion to him than he does to you. Perhaps because you now know he is married...?

At this moment we do not socialise together its only business contacts even though it was more social in the beginning. I dont believe we will socialise again unless its a business arrangement or he has a sudden urge to take me out. Even though there is some karmic connection with this person, I want to learn what I can so I dont fall into this situation again.
I think the mistake here was to call this relationship a friendship. It seems it can be more honestly called a business acquaintance, since you now know his mixed intent towards you with his showing romantic interest while temporarily concealing marriage. This mis-naming, or lack of clarity surrounding the question, may explain in part why there is so much negativity represented in the chart.

Lastly, Moon applies to a sextile with Venus, the aspect suggesting there will be occasion or opportunity for the friendship to continue.

Accidental diginity how does this happen or what do you mean by that?
Accidental dignity are characteristics of significators in horary that indicate their strength and weakness based on characteristics other than essential dignity, like the house they are in, the speed at which they travel, stationing or retrograde movement, close to the Sun, and many other "accidental" characteristics. Essential dignity refers to the comfort of expression that a planet/significator feels in the sign it is in: dignified, exalted, detrimented, in fall.

There is nice explanation of these concepts in greater detail at Deborah Houlding's:
skyscript.co.uk

When we look at the overall information, the goodness of motive to become friends is called into question. There is power to remain friends should you both choose, but the inclination may be diminished on your part, as all the facts come out in the open. Then should you still chose to remain friends, knowing all that you do, the friendship will likely remain.


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Do you think there is more information to be revealed from this person? Thanks for your help in trying to understand horary

I am not quite sure what you are asking here. Could you please clarify or restate the question?
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You are signified by Moon, ruler of the 1st. Your friend is signified by Venus, ruler of the 11th, with the question being, will you remain friends?

Both Moon and Venus are severely debilitated in their detriment. This lack of essential dignity calls into question the goodness of motivation for becoming friends in the first place.

By accidental dignity, Moon is strong in the 7th, fast, increasing in light, and just past conjunction with exalted Mars.
Venus is in strong in her joy in the 5th and also fast.
Conversely, there is unfavorable reception, as Moon negatively receives Venus in the sign of the Moon's fall, Scorpio.
So there is power to remain friends, although this calls into question how much you may really like this person.
Ilene for my own learning - Moon being in negative reception to venus shows because moon is in detriment in Scorpio? So this means I will be negative and cautious at any approach from him?
The negative reception suggests that your attraction to the friendship is weaker than his.
Venus being strong does this mean he has more interest in keeping the friendship than I do?
We have to look at the overall strength of Venus, its essential dignity, its accidental dignity, including reception, and the aspect, if any.
Moon and Venus have about the same accidental dignity overall.
Moon has more strong characteristics but also a negative reception.
Venus is strong but with fewer accidental strengths than Moon.
So in some sense the power to keep the friendship is about the same. You just have a stronger aversion to him than he does to you. Perhaps because you now know he is married...?
At this moment we do not socialise together its only business contacts even though it was more social in the beginning. I dont believe we will socialise again unless its a business arrangement or he has a sudden urge to take me out. Even though there is some karmic connection with this person, I want to learn what I can so I dont fall into this situation again.
I think the mistake here was to call this relationship a friendship. It seems it can be more honestly called a business acquaintance, since you now know his mixed intent towards you with his showing romantic interest while temporarily concealing marriage. This mis-naming, or lack of clarity surrounding the question, may explain in part why there is so much negativity represented in the chart.
Lastly, Moon applies to a sextile with Venus, the aspect suggesting there will be occasion or opportunity for the friendship to continue.
Accidental diginity how does this happen or what do you mean by that?
Accidental dignity are characteristics of significators in horary that indicate their strength and weakness based on characteristics other than essential dignity, like the house they are in, the speed at which they travel, stationing or retrograde movement, close to the Sun, and many other "accidental" characteristics. Essential dignity refers to the comfort of expression that a planet/significator feels in the sign it is in: dignified, exalted, detrimented, in fall.

There is nice explanation of these concepts in greater detail at Deborah Houlding's:
skyscript.co.uk
When we look at the overall information, the goodness of motive to become friends is called into question. There is power to remain friends should you both choose, but the inclination may be diminished on your part, as all the facts come out in the open. Then should you still chose to remain friends, knowing all that you do, the friendship will likely remain.




I am not quite sure what you are asking here. Could you please clarify or restate the question?
Ah yes I looked at skyscript, this makes sense more so now, thanks for the link. so accidental dignity is the only thing that is holding this potential business/friendship together at the moment, and of course my choices.

As for the friendship something we both agreed that we would help each other, I just dont know, would like some further explanation from him about his behaviour or lack of info and clarity.

Actually I think he is going through a seperation but is too proud to say anything as he is worried it could effect his business. Maybe I will get further info later, up to this point its been very confusing and he is generally a confused character.

thanks illene for taking time to help me
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