Astrologers' Community  

Go Back   Astrologers' Community > General Astrology > Other Astrology

Other Astrology Here, you can discuss anything else astrological that doesn't belong in the other boards. Includes medical astrology, mundane astrology, parts, sports astrology, research and development, degree symbols, fixed stars, asteroids, symbols systems, karma, and Aquarian astrology.


Reply
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Unread 03-01-2020, 02:21 PM
Zuse Zuse is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2020
Posts: 10
How do you settle for a house system?

I am finaly at rest with whole signs for my chart, however in many cases i don't see it making sense to charts of others...

Reply With Quote
  #2  
Unread 07-21-2020, 11:55 PM
Ghost00 Ghost00 is offline
Banned
 
Join Date: Jul 2020
Posts: 55
I like whole sign houses same as you and also like decans and using the degrees. You know how the houses have several interpretations like 4th house could be death or parents or real estate I guess. Well if i cross-compare it with decans and degree symbols it helps tell the story
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Unread 07-22-2020, 01:29 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 58,450
Re: How do you settle for a house system?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Zuse View Post

I am finaly at rest with whole signs for my chart, however
in many cases i don't see it making sense to charts of others...

often the charts of others are based on an unreliable time

such as from memory of family members
and even if from medica records or birth certificate
time of birth is noted by medical staff AFTER birth ocurred
usually fifteen, twenty minutes after
often HOURS afterwards
also
the timepieces of medical staff are subject to mechanical failure
clocks, watches are often wrong
either fast or slow
and so
important to verify time of birth with basic rectification
__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Unread 07-22-2020, 08:44 PM
waybread's Avatar
waybread waybread is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: A class M planet near you
Posts: 15,163
Re: How do you settle for a house system?

I don't think everyone responds the same to the identical house system.

Austrialian astrologer Alice Portman made a study of this, and found that one size does not fit all. The British royal family, for example, responds best to Regiomontanus. This is also the preferred system in horary astrology.

Placidus is the norm in a lot of places. I think normally it works fine. Once, however, I was looking at Warren Buffet's chart for indicators of his wealth, and other aspects of his life. He's one of the world's richest men, yet lives a very frugal private life. Placidus just didn't do it for him, but whole signs did.

Whole signs gets a bit problematic for people with a late degree rising, but hey, it still works.

High latitude births are a problem, regardless, because either the houses or location of the angles can get super-distorted.
__________________
My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we’ll change the world. Jack Layton, "Letter to Canadians"

I thought we went along paths--but it seems there are no paths. The going itself is the path.
C.S. Lewis, Perelandra.

Life is not about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself. Message on a refrigerator magnet.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Unread 07-22-2020, 10:03 PM
JUPITERASC's Avatar
JUPITERASC JUPITERASC is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 58,450
Re: How do you settle for a house system?

Quote:
Originally Posted by byjove View Post


Hello all,
I'm looking to learn more
about how whole sign methods
are getting on today.
Just curious!
The artificial divisions we now know as houses
were attempts by the early Greeks and the Hindus
to measure strength "points" in the horoscope
which at some point in time(7th and 8th centuries AD)
were construed
or
confused
as means of dividing the birth chart.

The ascendant and midheaven degrees and their opposites
for example
were definite power points or areas of intense focus
but not necessarily the beginnings of a house or quadrant.

Whole Sign House system ascendant sign becomes the whole first house
and the others follow.
The ascendant point can then fall anywhere in the first house
and the midheaven point anywhere in the upper half of the chart.

dr. farr details application of GENUINE whole sign methods
to chart delineation
Quote:
Originally Posted by dr. farr View Post


Cusps:

Today (and for the past thousand years or so) we define cusps as "borders" (coasts), but that is not the original meaning of the word "cusp": it means "point" such as cuspal teeth (bicuspids) and the point of a sword

- so originally the term cusp meant the "point" of something, and in astrology originally the "cusp" of the house meant its "point";

now, when quadrant systems were developed, this "point" of the house came to mean its "beginning", which later came to mean its "border", ie, the "border" between one house and the other.

And later astrology also began using these "borders" (cusps) for various prognostic applications (Charles Carter came to believe that, for timing of events, the "cusps" of the Campanus house system gave the best results, among the various quadrant house systems)

But now notice this: in whole sign the cusps are NOT the 0 degree "borders" of sign/houses at all, and never were so regarded!

In whole sign, the "cusp" retained its original meaning, not as a "border" but rather as A POINT

-and that POINT (cusp) for EACH house, was the sensitive point of that house, viz, the sensitive point in whole sign houses-each house-that is the "cusp" of each house-is a direct projection from the ascending degree.

Example:
-the ascending degree of a chart is 18 Taurus: what are the house cusps (sensitive points, original meaning of the word "cusp") in the whole sign houses of this chart?
Cusp of 1st house = 18 Taurus
Cusp of 2nd house = 18 Gemini
Cusp of 3rd house = 18 Cancer
Cusp of 4th house = 18 Leo
Cusp of 5th house = 18 Virgo
Cusp of 6th house = 18 Libra
Cusp of 7th house = 18 Scorpio
Cusp of 8th house = 18 Sagittarius
Cusp of 9th house = 18 Capricorn
Cusp of 10th house = 18 Aquarius
Cusp of 11th house = 18 Pisces
Cusp of 12th house = 18 Aries

Now it is these "cusps" (sensitive degrees, original meaning of the word "cusp" as a "point") that are (and were) used for progressions, timing of events, etc, and the fact is that they work for these purposes, quite well (in expert hands)

Whole sign does not use the BORDERS between houses (always 0 degree of any sign) for anything, but it DOES use "cusps" (points in the house, projected from the exact ascending degree) for timing (and other) delineative purposes.

Whole sign suddenly vanished (both in the West and in Vedic astrology) during the same period of time-ie, late 8th to early 9th century - this sudden disappearance suggests a sudden turn in astrological thinking and practices, rather than a gradual supplanting of a less effective traditional method (whole sign) by a new and more effective method (rheotrius/alchabitius in the West, and the closely related to whole sign Equal house, in Vedic astrology)

For me, there is only 1 reason I switched to whole sign-it worked better (FOR ME)

I could care less if it were the oldest house system (which it is) or whether it was invented by Badda Bing at Barney's Beanery in Bayonne, 10 years ago: only things I consider are:
-does it seem to make sense?
-does it "taste good" to me (ie, does it "feel right" to me)
-and, if yes to the above, does it work (producing delineations and predicitions) better than what I have previously been doing?


Well, whole sign did all that, for me, so I switched; but I am not going to try to convince anyone of anything about it, except for beginners-to you who might just be starting out, I would say: try whole sign first, and see how well it might work for you...

__________________
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82p-D...eature=related Hippocrates Let food be your medicine: let medicine be your food. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvz9uSK3zXo Rosencrantz & Guildenstern are Dead Tom Stoppard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchhSIVwMdY Every exit is an entrance to somewhere else. VETTIUS VALENS FREE http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf
Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
house, settle, system

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT. The time now is 12:10 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.2
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 2005-2018, AstrologyWeekly.com. Boards' structure and all posts are property of AstrologyWeekly.com and their respective creators. No part of the messages sent on these boards may be copied without their owners' explicit consent.