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Unread 10-30-2020, 01:08 PM
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My chance to have children

Hello - Thank you for your help and insights in advance.
My I Asc is Sagittarius and I have Mars in my 5th house. Sign of 5th house is Taurus and lord is Venus. Venus is in 2nd house too.
My husbands I Asc is Libra and his 5th house is empty. Sign of 5th house is Pisces and ruler Neptune. Neptune is in 3rd house too.
As long as I read by myself, high chances are, that I could have children only through IVF, not naturally. Is it true?

Here is my chart: https://ibb.co/Xjd1m3J


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Unread 10-30-2020, 06:43 PM
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Re: My chance to have children

Have you tried to have children naturally?

If not, start there. That's the only way you'll know. Astrology can't tell you definitively. All it can do is suggest that reproduction would be easy for you, or would be likely to run into some roadblocks/delays, or that it would be neither that easy nor that difficult. It can't spell out whether you'll have children, let alone how. And it's not just the fifth house that determines that.

If you couldn't have children naturally, there's at least 70% probability that you wouldn't be able to have them through IVF either. Assisted reproduction is no more than 30% effective, if that, in people who can't conceive naturally.

But it sounds like you haven't even tried to conceive yet. If so, it's much too soon to be asking that question.
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Have you tried to have children naturally?

If not, start there. That's the only way you'll know. Astrology can't tell you definitively. All it can do is suggest that reproduction would be easy for you, or would be likely to run into some roadblocks/delays, or that it would be neither that easy nor that difficult. It can't spell out whether you'll have children, let alone how. And it's not just the fifth house that determines that.

If you couldn't have children naturally, there's at least 70% probability that you wouldn't be able to have them through IVF either. Assisted reproduction is no more than 30% effective, if that, in people who can't conceive naturally.

But it sounds like you haven't even tried to conceive yet. If so, it's much too soon to be asking that question.
Actually we've tried. We have been trying for more than 3 years naturally and nothing happens. Me and my husband are perfectly healthy - hormons, reproductive organs and etc. Gynecologists can't tell, what is the reason of not conceiving, it remains unclear. So that's why I am trying to figuring out, maybe it is predisposed in my horoscope. I wish to know that reason, because it is really depressing not conceive and not know how could I solve it, what could I do in order to conceive. One astrologist told me, that according to my horoscope, medical interventions are needed for me in order to get pregnant. I would appreciate some more opinions, whether it is true or not.

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Actually we've tried. We have been trying for more than 3 years naturally and nothing happens. Me and my husband are perfectly healthy - hormons, reproductive organs and etc. Gynecologists can't tell, what is the reason of not conceiving, it remains unclear. So that's why I am trying to figuring out, maybe it is predisposed in my horoscope. I wish to know that reason, because it is really depressing not conceive and not know how could I solve it, what could I do in order to conceive. One astrologist told me, that according to my horoscope, medical interventions are needed for me in order to get pregnant. I would appreciate some more opinions, whether it is true ir not.
In that case, you need to post your chart. It takes the whole chart to make that kind of interpretation.

What you described of your fifth house and your husband's doesn't sound like astrological predisposal to infertility. Pisces is a highly fertile sign, Taurus is semi-fertile, and while you didn't say what sign your Venus is in, the possibilities for a second house placement if Sagittarius is the rising sign are limited to fertile or semi-fertile signs. But Moon is also a factor, and any planets in the fifth or conjunct the fifth house ruler or Moon. For this purpose, use traditional house rulers.
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In that case, you need to post your chart. It takes the whole chart to make that kind of interpretation.

What you described of your fifth house and your husband's doesn't sound like astrological predisposal to infertility. Pisces is a highly fertile sign, Taurus is semi-fertile, and while you didn't say what sign your Venus is in, the possibilities for a second house placement if Sagittarius is the rising sign are limited to fertile or semi-fertile signs. But Moon is also a factor, and any planets in the fifth or conjunct the fifth house ruler or Moon. For this purpose, use traditional house rulers.
Here is my chart:
https://ibb.co/Xjd1m3J


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Re: My chance to have children

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Ours is an astrological learning forum
albeit on an informal basis

with no official "...lessons..."
but simply random advice
from members who practice different methodologies
and are often newcomers to astrology
- although some of our members have years of experience
and so

the following may be of interest to any readers
interested to learn one method
utilised by some astrologers
to delineate natal for potential chance of children


".....Guessing the number of children is a very tricky thing,
but
delineating whether there will be few
many
or
no children at all

is quite possible
and this art can predict that....."
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Originally Posted by Omnisphericus View Post
"When will I marry",

"...How many children I'll have...."
- these are the most frequent questions
of the people who are interested in astrology.


Here I will explain the method of
delineation of fertility or sterility of the chart.

Guessing the number of children is a very tricky thing,
but delineating whether there will be few,
many
or
no children at all
is quite possible
and this art can predict that.

Well, I do not have a lot of affinity toward theory and there fore I will grab my pen and scribe the rules directly, so we can later practically delineate charts and see the rules on practical example charts.

Here's what Lilly says about the fertility or sterility of the Signs

(I know that Lilly is not medieval astrologer, but he draws a lot from the medieval sources):

Aries: By reason Mars, a sterill planet hath that for his house, and the Sun for Exaltation, is rather a Sign of Barrennesse than otherwise.
Taurus: Is reputed more fruitful than barren, being the house of Venus, who is fruitful, and the exaltation of the Moon.
Gemini: Is adjudged barren, being the house of Mercury, who discerns nothing of himself.
Cancer is the most fruitful and bountiful Sign, it being the house of the Moon, and the exaltation of Jupiter.
Leo: Is reputed barren, being the house of the Sun, and Lyons bring forth Young rarely.
Virgo: Hath the name of the barren Signe, for Mayds of themselves produce no Births &c.
Libra
: Rather a Signe of fecundity, it being the house of Venus, and Saturn his exaltation [4].
Scorpio: Though the house of Mars, yet generally accepted for fruitful.
Sagittarius: Ever conceived fruitfull, because the house of Jupiter.
Capricorn: A Signe of few children inclining to barrennesse.
Aquarius: Without doubt more fruitful than barren.
Pisces: Very fecund and prolificall, being the House of Jupiter and exaltation of Venus, its Signe of many Children.

Fruitful Houses:
1/11/10/7 and 5th.

Fruitful Planets:
Jupiter/Venus/Moon (Mercury is fruitful but if joined with Sun, Mars or Saturn can go to the sterility side).
Sun (because of the heat) and the 2 Malefics are sterile planets.

Pars Filorum (Part of Children):
ASC + SA - JU for a day births, reversed for night ones.

1. Look at 1st, 11th, 10th or 7th house, and see if there are some of the Significators for Children: Jupiter, Venus, Moon, Mercury, Lord of the 5th, Pars Fortuna, Pars Filorum and their Lords; or notice if the planets who deny children are there.

Bonatti:
Quote:
If at least some of the aforesaid planets signifying children are in
the specified houses or even in the 5th and the said planets are for*-
tunate and strong and aspected by the benefics by a trine or sextile
with or without reception, or even by a square with reception, it
signifies that the native will undoubtedly have children unless the
saidsignificator is within 1minute ofsomefixed star ofthe nature
of Mars or Saturn. However if the significators are weak, they
show that the children will be few.

Quote:
But if none of the aforesaid significators were there & the pars for-
tunae or pars filiorum were there and any of the malefics should
aspect the said part it completely denies children whether they are
weak or strong, unless by chance, a benefic trines or sextiles the
malefic with reception or it (the malefic) were with a fixed star
of the nature of Jupiter, Venus or the Moon in the same minute,
and let it not be in Leo, Virgo, Libra, Capricorn or Aquarius or in
Taurus. Mercury varies depending on the nature ofthe planet it is
joined with.

Bonatti also says that if one of the significators for children are in the aforesaid places, and this planet happens to be Void of Course, then this means that the native will have only one child.
(Some argue about this and say that Bonatti here refers to Horary Delineation).

Examples in the next post.
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Actually we've tried. We have been trying for more than 3 years naturally and nothing happens. Me and my husband are perfectly healthy - hormons, reproductive organs and etc. Gynecologists can't tell, what is the reason of not conceiving, it remains unclear. So that's why I am trying to figuring out, maybe it is predisposed in my horoscope. I wish to know that reason, because it is really depressing not conceive and not know how could I solve it, what could I do in order to conceive. One astrologist told me, that according to my horoscope, medical interventions are needed for me in order to get pregnant. I would appreciate some more opinions, whether it is true or not.
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