USA Nov. 2020 Presidential Election, the Democrat Party Contenders

david starling

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I don't think its a fair assumption. A good role model doesn't need to be perfect. Its ok if they are flawed. I don't think people can be perfect by any means.

I don't indulge in utopian thinking david. :cool:

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unrelated question is it "utopian thinking" or "utopian thought" the best way to write it?

You said it right. It literally means "no such place", and is synonymous with "unrealistic", as an adjective.
 

david starling

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They like him. They just do. He is charismatic. And he is doing what he promised. That is the key

Whether you like his policy or not, he kept every single promise to his voter base. Thats ten times more than what any other candidate has done for their voter base.

But I think most critics of Trump focus on the irrelevant parts. So he banged a pornstar ... so he said something demeaning about women ... etc.

Who gives an F about those things?

You were the one harping on the molestation accusation regarding Biden.

I disagree that policies don't matter. That's really what it's about. [IMO]
 

Dirius

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Corporate welfare is ugly, whatever you call it.

Thats actually more of a democrat issue, than a republican one.

Think of Planned Parenthood for example. Lets leave out the moral discussion on abortion for a second, and focus on the business model.

a) Planned Parenthood donates money to pòliticians.

b) Politicians pass laws to fund Planned Parenthood with tax-payer money.

c) Planned Parenthood uses part of those funds, to give it to politicians.

d) Politicians pass more laws to protect abortion.

And so on, and so on.

Planned Parenthood is a private corporation, out to make money, based solely on greed. Why this corporation doesn't get as much hate from the left is beyond me. This is because left politicians have crafted this entire argument about how Planned Parenthood provides an essential health-care service for women. And people buy it.

Planned Parenthood also gets almost and exclusive monopoly over its market. Leftist don't complain about this.

So Planned Parenthood has a multi-billion dollar corporate monopoly, which somehow does not anger leftists? Isn't that weird?
 

Dirius

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You were the one harping on the molestation accusation regarding Biden.

I disagree that policies don't matter. That's really what it's about. [IMO]

Harrasing a woman is against the law.

Banging a pornstar, cheating on your wife, and saying demeaning things about women are not against the law.
 

david starling

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Harrasing a woman is against the law.

Banging a pornstar, cheating on your wife, and saying demeaning things about women are not against the law.

Trump's harrassed women. He's even on record saying that celebrities like himself can get away with it. Does that disqualify him to be President?
 

Dirius

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Trump's harrassed women. He's even on record saying that celebrities like himself can get away with it. Does that disqualify him to be President?

He said that if you are famous women throw themselves at you, and let you do anything you want.

That doesn't mean it is without consent. In fact the first sentence, implies there is consent.

Trump supporters know this is taken out of context. Leftists know this is taken out of context. The media knows this is takent out of context.
 

Dirius

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I'm a left-leaning libertarian in my political views. The right-wingers unilaterally co-opted the word for their own po!itical Party. :annoyed:


Its kind of hard to reconcile government involvement, with individual rights. The more power government gets the more authoritrian they become.
 

Dirius

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I mean this whole thread is you picking up some faint examples and thinking they prove your point.

I could give you a hundred examples. For the sake of time and space I will provide only one.

I use one because, corporate welfare is usually attributed to republicans, while democrat's are never mentioned. Showing one proves the point that both parties are involved in this.

However if shouldn't be dificult for your brain to replicate the idea with the many other examples available in your daily life. Think how many corporations get government funding or contracts, and check how many of them are democrat donors in comparison to republican donors.
 
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david starling

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He said that if you are famous women throw themselves at you, and let you do anything you want.

That doesn't mean it is without consent. In fact the first sentence, implies there is consent.

Trump supporters know this is taken out of context. Leftists know this is taken out of context. The media knows this is takent out of context.

No, this isn't about having affairs. He meant they wouldn't charge him with molestation even though they didn't consent to the nonconsensual harassment itself. His first wife, Ivana, charged him with assault and rape in a sworn affidavit. It's still on file, although she recanted when he paid her off. Another woman charged him with rape, in Court, but withdrew the charge citing a threat he made against her family.

Trump supporters twist everything in order to declare him innocent. He can do no wrong as far as they're concerned.
 

david starling

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I could give you a hundred examples. For the sake of time and space I will provide only one.

I use one because, corporate welfare is usually attributed to republicans, while democrat's are never mentioned. Showing one proves the point that both parties are involved in this.

However if shouldn't be dificult for your brain to replicate the idea with the many other examples available in your daily life. Think how many corporations get government funding or contracts, and check how many of them are democrat donors in comparison to republican donors.

They donate to both Parties. Republic politicians are on the take just as much as Democrat..
 

leomoon

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Bump the Thrump!

The Earth will thank you for it!


I saw this mentioned,so decided to check it out for myself: (using other houses you get Saturn tr opp the 11th house n.Saturn.(the house of the masses) Depends on the system house.


Stationary PLUTO in 6th house (health related matters) n. Saturn in 12th. (vedic chart). Using Vehlow house system:



Vehlow The Vehlow house system belongs to the equal ("same size") house systems. Here, the Ascendant is placed exactly in the middle of the first house. Ascendant and MC therefore do not coincide with a house cusp. The Vehlow house system is named after the German astrologer Johannes Vehlow (1890-1958).


 

leomoon

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No, this isn't about having affairs. He meant they wouldn't charge him with molestation even though they didn't consent to the nonconsensual harassment itself. His first wife, Ivana, charged him with assault and rape in a sworn affidavit. It's still on file, although she recanted when he paid her off. Another woman charged him with rape, in Court, but withdrew the charge citing a threat he made against her family.

Trump supporters twist everything in order to declare him innocent. He can do no wrong as far as they're concerned.


I have read about lawsuits from at least 3 women against Trump - most charging him with rape. The woman Jean Carroll in New York's social circles that Trump attended, had been married then to a local T.V. news anchor when she alleges Trump raped her in Bergdorf a local high end store after asking her to go in the elevator to the top floor with him to find something for his wife's birthday. She said he pushed her aggressively against a wall in the dressing room and raped her. Because of the Statute of limitations which expired in NY years ago, she cannot sue for rape, but she is suing him today in court for calling her a liar. Jeanne Carroll has at least 2witnesses who will vouch for her that she told at that time. Not sure if she told her husband of this violation.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ad...for-defamation-over-denial-of-rape-allegation






This case which allegedly occurred with Trump partying in cohort with Jeffrey Epstein in Palm Beach involved a 12 and 13 yrs old girls.
She and her family were threatened, so they dropped the case years ago. I'm sure there are others like the woman in California,her case is still ongoing against trump. She owned a small restaurant and appeared on his firing Reality TV show, and is the one who talked about the cheap dinner of one toasted club sandwich cut in half. :pouty: He offered to "share" with her but she declined it.



Meanwhile, Psychiatrists are warning once again, that the man is a sadist just like other clients they have had and is very dangerous to the American people because of this mental illness: (from what I ascertained in their opinion, its not that he ties people up as sadists often do, but rather he ENJOYS the pain he inflicts on others) :crying: Rather sick indeed if they are accurate:


The original story appeared in Salon Magazine online:
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/04/le...SHwuQADPBIF-sGJInctuLl59uVfUURjLy158hjKAKfhv8




I was seriously pondering whether or not his Venus can be seen in this light? As they are quite damning type of accusations of a very serious nature.



His natal Venus is 25 degrees 48 minutes Cancer but it conjuncts within 2 degrees his natal Saturn is in Cancer the sign of it's Detriment and does not serve his soul well. Since these two quincunx his natal Moon (mother) I think it all goes back to mom and the way he envisioned her. Often men will marry women who remind them of their mothers. His mother always wanted to be in the higher social status and admired queens especially the Queen of England, like DJT himself does.


When he was born, these two planets were rising just after Mercury (his sun's ruler) and just before Mars in Leo (12thhouse) - then Saturn & Mercury where these two planets find their detriment & fall. While its not something we'd typically consider, I am trying to find the reflection of sadism in his natal chart and this is how it appeared to me thus far.
While his Venus in 11th (always the victim of course) IS semi-sextile exactly 30 degrees to Mars in the 12th; he managed all these many years, to get his own way via Mars in a secret hush-hush, (contract driven pay offs at time or just plain threats), and on one the wiser...thanks to that semi-sextile working for him in a social setting. Remember, Herod the Great was married many times to many women too.
 
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leomoon

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This: (seems she has the same dress from all those years ago, just waiting to confront him, much like the Monica Lewinsky infamous semen stained dress)

"Unidentified male DNA on the dress could prove that Donald Trump not only knows who I am, but also that he violently assaulted me in a dressing room at Bergdorf Goodman and then defamed me by lying about it and impugning my character."
Carroll's lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, added that "testing unidentified male DNA on the dress she wore during that assault has become standard operating procedure in these circumstances given the remarkable advances in DNA technology, particularly where, as is the case here, other potential contributors have been excluded." Referring to a request to sample Trump's saliva to test his DNA, Kaplan said, "There really is no valid basis for him to object."


https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/poli...ld-trump-sexual-assault-accusation/index.html
 

leomoon

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This: (seems she has the same dress from all those years ago, just waiting to confront him, much like the Monica Lewinsky infamous semen stained dress)

"Unidentified male DNA on the dress could prove that Donald Trump not only knows who I am, but also that he violently assaulted me in a dressing room at Bergdorf Goodman and then defamed me by lying about it and impugning my character."
Carroll's lawyer, Roberta Kaplan, added that "testing unidentified male DNA on the dress she wore during that assault has become standard operating procedure in these circumstances given the remarkable advances in DNA technology, particularly where, as is the case here, other potential contributors have been excluded." Referring to a request to sample Trump's saliva to test his DNA, Kaplan said, "There really is no valid basis for him to object."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/poli...ld-trump-sexual-assault-accusation/index.html





"First of all the President is gaslighting America, he is playing the victim". (E.Jean Carroll) in interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=146&v=zi4DSmdUdng&feature=emb_logo
 

leomoon

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Joe Biden, the front runner and nominee for the Democrats, after pushing out Senator Bernie Sanders - and even getting his endorsement - is in hot water up to his neck over this sex scandal which is not going away anytime soon.


I decided that my take on his natal chart originally, is likely correct as my first impulse told me, his Venus in the 12th, was not his dead wife, and the fact he isolated himself for awhile which he never really did for long, but rather that he is probably guilty of this accusation made by his Senate Staffer about a 1993 reason she quit working for him.



I truly cannot see anything to idolize about Venus at 28°Scorpio, opposing the ogre fixed star Algol. Since I wrote a Kindle book on Algol years ago, I must stay true to what I said, and Algol ***** earthworms, imo. Nothing good in otherwords, comes out of this connection so closely to this fixed star. And Venus in Scorpio in the 12th house? Doesn't exactly smack of virtuous behaviors.



His Mars is also in Scorpio albeit in the 11th Placidius - yet is also quincunx Saturn (hands over others, doesn't set boundaries well), and square Pluto (yikes!)



So far, all the Dems are behaving like all the Republicans did when Dr. Ford accused Judge Kavanaugh as he was up for the Supreme Court ...EVERY single Republican kept in lockstep with him that he was NOT guilty, even though Trump pulled strings to make sure the F.B.I. did not investigate or interrogate or even interview at least 3 or 4 she gave names for. Some of these people were in his class and even one was a male , and all of them verified he drank to the point of drunkenness, lost control and pretty much was an *** in his college days when this rape attempt was said to occur.



As we know, Kavanaugh was elected anyway, and Dr. Ford was disbelieved in the end.


NOW, we have another Kavanaugh (Biden) and Dr. Ford (Tara Reade) accusation of "molestation" to the point they called it nearly a rape.



I find it extremely disheartening, that Democratic Senators (women like Amy K. (Minnesota) who herself ran for President months ago, as well as Senator Kamala Harris (who ran for President too, and even said she believed AT THAT TIME when she was asked, in Tara Reade)....because the woman IS believable! But all of a sudden now that Joe Biden will pick a Vice President and a woman (who may be one of these 3) including Stacey Abrams (who once ran for Governor and lost - in Georgia), but she too is standing by her man (J.Biden) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stacey_Abrams


ALL are playing the "me first, political card".....and not being true to themselves first imo.


Thats very sad, imo. Not 1 Republican, and now not 1 Democrat although every single one of them sided before with Dr. Ford (yet in the end voted for Kavanaugh too, giving him the benefit of the doubt) Now the shoe is on the other foot. WILL The Republicans give Joe Biden the same courtesy of "the benefit of the doubt?"


I wish wistfully, the DNC would do the right thing by everyone and give the nomination over to Senator Sanders and have it over with. But Israel lobbyists would be on the phone first in line to all Senators & Congress in both parties.


Its a very sad state of affairs in this country, even besides the Corona Virus pandemic. :sad:
p.s. Please note, I think only American voters have the onus on us as to which nominee to choose this time around as usual. Not from foreign countries, as we'll have to live with the consequences, and not them!


I can believe that Joe Biden is the "lesser of two evils" and vote for him strictly for that reason alone.
I don't think he'll rape or attempt to again, as I do Trump. YET I wish there were a miracle and Senator Sanders was given this nomination "just cuz" he is the more moral one of all politicians in this race.





 
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leomoon

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A woman has filed a police report claiming that presidential candidate Joe Biden sexually assaulted her in 1993, according to reports.
Tara Reade filed a criminal complaint with the Washington Metropolitan Police Department of accusing the 2020 Democratic nomination of pushing her against the wall in a Senate corridor and penetrating her with his fingers, according to Business Insider.
The alleged incident occurred while Reade was working as a Senate staffer for Biden nearly 30 years ago.
Reade first made the claims against Biden last month. In a tweet, Reade thanked those who helped her come forward with the allegations, as well as "luminaries" who have supported her such as Susan Sarandon, John Cusack, and Rose McGowan.
Reade also confirmed that the statute of limitations around the claims against Biden have passed.
"I filed a police report for safety reasons only. All crim [sic] stats beyond limitations.




This case reminds me quite a bit not only of Kavanaugh vs. Christine Ford,PHD. but also of President Bill Clinton who was quite the paramour especially until he came up for Impeachment charges.


All those defending Biden today are doing it for political reasons imo., especially those who know "of him" for 36 years in the Senate.

He does have a "pattern" although Sen. Chris Coons said today, "Joe doesn't have a pattern".....:surprised:....he was always being accused of "touching inappropriately" or "being in a woman's space"....and THAT is a pattern of behavior.


Bill Clinton as Governor certainly had a "pattern of behavior" well known by many including his wife and his bodyguards then the State Police of Arkansas.


We could say the same today of both JFK, RFK & LBJ.....so its nothing particularly new in this country, the only thing NEW is women are coming out and speaking openly about it.



https://www.denverpost.com/2020/04/29/joe-biden-assault-allegation-prompts-gop-attacks-dem-worries/


https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-sexual-assault-police-tara-reade-1497391


Tara Reade: Hillary is 'Enabling a Sexual Predator' With ...

https://[B]legalinsurrection.com[/B]/2020/04/tara-reade...https://www.bing.com/search?q=tara+...48&sk=&cvid=3F8FB1DA1D1E4DA49F8B0001A5EA74BB#
Apr 29, 2020 · Tara Reade blasted failed Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton over her endorsement of presumptive 2020 Democratic presidential candidate Joe Biden: “I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016. I voted for her in the primary. I’m a lifelong Democrat. But yet, what I see now is someone enabling a sexual predator and it was my former boss, Joe Biden, who raped me,”





BTW: HRC is another I couldn't vote for and instead chose Senator Sanders. She does have a habit and a chart to back it up, to choose the more popular and self-serving path. Perhaps Tara Reade should tell herself, she herself is to blame for "believing in HRC"



"Fool me once, shame on you , but fool me twice, - shame on me" she obviously didn't know. :surprised:


Remember when big dummy GWBush tried to say this line and couldn't even get it out (couldn't recall it) much like DJT today:


Neither one could be called an intellectual by a long shot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=1&v=vkb97wR66JU&feature=emb_logo
 
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