US - a Uranian Country
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waybread
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[I'm just going to do something very tongue-in cheek: a parody on why we shouldn't use mundane charts to interpret current politics to bolster an extreme ideology. Please follow along with the chart Tim posted in the OP.]
Comrades! I am pleased to present you with the horoscope of the running-dog capitalist country of the United States.
All power to the people.
You will notice the 10th house sun in its fall in Libra. The MC ruler, Venus, is in detriment. Thus showing that US dominance of global politics is destined to fail. (The sun and 10th house rule the head of state.) The sun conjunct the south node shows the country's stagnation and archaic stem of government.
Libra is the westernmost sign of the setting sun in the West, also appearing with increasing hours of darkness. Arise brothers and sisters! Join the rising sun of the Far East!
The rapacious capitalism of the US is further demonstrated by the sun's square to violent Mars conjunct domineering Pluto in the 2nd house of the nation's money supply. Saturn ruling the 2nd house from the 12th shows the plutocratic authorities as heartless old men, lacking in compassion for the righteous struggles of the Proletariat.
Mars rules the 4th house of "the people," showing that the ruling class favor violence as a means to perpetuate unfair labor practices and to alienate workers from the products of their labors. The moon, another indicator of "the people," in its fall and conjunct Venus in detriment in the 11th house of labor unions, shows that workers cannot prosper under their rulers' oppressive tactics.
Uranus in the 7th mundane house of military conflict shows America's willingness to use its military might to disrupt and overturn its peace-loving neighbors.
Saturn in the 12 house of secret enemies is none other than the secretive CIA.
Workers, unite and fight against this mad dog capitalist regime! You have nothing to lose but your chains.
Comrades! I am pleased to present you with the horoscope of the running-dog capitalist country of the United States.
All power to the people.
You will notice the 10th house sun in its fall in Libra. The MC ruler, Venus, is in detriment. Thus showing that US dominance of global politics is destined to fail. (The sun and 10th house rule the head of state.) The sun conjunct the south node shows the country's stagnation and archaic stem of government.
Libra is the westernmost sign of the setting sun in the West, also appearing with increasing hours of darkness. Arise brothers and sisters! Join the rising sun of the Far East!
The rapacious capitalism of the US is further demonstrated by the sun's square to violent Mars conjunct domineering Pluto in the 2nd house of the nation's money supply. Saturn ruling the 2nd house from the 12th shows the plutocratic authorities as heartless old men, lacking in compassion for the righteous struggles of the Proletariat.
Mars rules the 4th house of "the people," showing that the ruling class favor violence as a means to perpetuate unfair labor practices and to alienate workers from the products of their labors. The moon, another indicator of "the people," in its fall and conjunct Venus in detriment in the 11th house of labor unions, shows that workers cannot prosper under their rulers' oppressive tactics.
Uranus in the 7th mundane house of military conflict shows America's willingness to use its military might to disrupt and overturn its peace-loving neighbors.
Saturn in the 12 house of secret enemies is none other than the secretive CIA.
Workers, unite and fight against this mad dog capitalist regime! You have nothing to lose but your chains.
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david starling
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I'm intrigued that the U.S. incarcerates more citizens per capita than any other country in the World! Fits Saturn in H12; unaspected, which means that it's a separate phenomenon, not really what this country's about.
wilsontc
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blackbery,
You bring up a good point: since there is SUCH an issue of deception and lying going on today in the News it SHOULD show up in the Cornwallis chart. While you find it in the Sibley chart in Neptune square Mars and focus on the "deceitfulness" this aspect indicates, there is an ADDITIONAL thing going on today. The deceptions happening are slowly dissolving away the structure of the US's cultural identity.
I was interested to see if this would be reflected in the Cornwallis chart and found it. Transiting Neptune in the house of communication is squaring natal Saturn conjunct the Sagittarian Ascendant. This shows deceptive communication stressing the very structure of the US's identity and the nature of the US's truth itself (Sagittarian Ascendant). This is interesting in light of the way that "truth" which used to be seen as an objective thing (e.g. "THE truth") is increasingly becoming a SUBjective thing (e.g., "MY truth"). This shows the Neptunian dissolving at the basis of what is truth itself in the US. Neptune in the 3rd also shows deceptiveness in communications that is going on. Since Neptune is also "spirituality" in addition to "deceptiveness" it's interesting to how this belief in relative truth is also affecting religions, as spiritual religions are having their structures dissolved and become less spiritual and more secular and focused on earth-bound issues (Saturn).
Looking at the possibilities,
Tim
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waybread
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OK, Tim-- Still thinking you can make your case by presenting a rightwing ideology as fact? My next parody will be of a QAnon follower Trumper conspiracy theorist interpretation.
Yours in freedom of expression, W.
Yours in freedom of expression, W.
david starling
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Waybread, it works both ways, as to who is substituting fiction for fact.
It really started during the Obama campaign in 2008, with his opponents claiming without credible evidence that his birth certificate was faked, and that even his name was falsified.
At that time, transiting Neptune wasn't squaring the Cornwallis natal Saturn, so the "fake news" syndrome promoted by right-wingers would need another reason for coming into existence.
I suggest it was transiting Pluto ingressing Capricorn that corresponds best to the current penchant for deciding for oneself what's true and what's not, facts not withstanding.
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Once again, the two charts are eerily showing the 
H3 'fake news'.
Your chart clearly shows the disinformation put out with the ludicrous 1619 project and CRT & the whole 'trans' debacle. The establishment
saturn:/AC) as you point out are trying to tell the American people that THEIR Truth is the only one that counts.
In the Sibley chart, I see the
anger building & building with all the lies & propaganda they have fed the public. Many are aware of what's been going on but many more will have great fury when the lies are uncovered
. It's happening now with the Fauci emails, the cover-up by him & WHO/CDC on the origin of the virus, the deliberate manipulation of facts regarding HCQ, Ivermectin & other treatments.
In fact, there are at least two, huge class-action lawsuits against the liars and many more to come as the Truth drips out.
And, of course, the audits which will prove the biggest lie of all....that the Dems stole the election from the President Trump who won more votes than any other candidate in U.S. History.
This recent comment by Truth-Teller CodeMonkeyZ wraps up the entire Fantasy world MSM/Dems created starting with Russia Russia Russia because they are terrified of the 'orangeman'.
- FAUCI'S CREDIBILITY IS DEAD.
- THE MSM'S CREDIBILITY IS DEAD.
- BIG PHARMA IS BEING EXPOSED.
- THE BIDEN ADMIN IS FALLING OFF A CLIFF.
- THE GREAT RESET IS HANGING BY A THREAD.
- THE RATS AND TRAITORS ARE EXPOSED AND EATING EACH OTHER ALIVE.
- IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE GOING PUBLIC THAT CHINA COMMITTED MULTIPLE ACTS OF WAR ON THE UNITED STATES IN 2020.
H3 'fake news'.Your chart clearly shows the disinformation put out with the ludicrous 1619 project and CRT & the whole 'trans' debacle. The establishment
saturn:/AC) as you point out are trying to tell the American people that THEIR Truth is the only one that counts.In the Sibley chart, I see the
anger building & building with all the lies & propaganda they have fed the public. Many are aware of what's been going on but many more will have great fury when the lies are uncovered. It's happening now with the Fauci emails, the cover-up by him & WHO/CDC on the origin of the virus, the deliberate manipulation of facts regarding HCQ, Ivermectin & other treatments.
In fact, there are at least two, huge class-action lawsuits against the liars and many more to come as the Truth drips out.
And, of course, the audits which will prove the biggest lie of all....that the Dems stole the election from the President Trump who won more votes than any other candidate in U.S. History.
This recent comment by Truth-Teller CodeMonkeyZ wraps up the entire
Fantasy world MSM/Dems created starting with Russia Russia Russia because they are terrified of the 'orangeman'.- FAUCI'S CREDIBILITY IS DEAD.
- THE MSM'S CREDIBILITY IS DEAD.
- BIG PHARMA IS BEING EXPOSED.
- THE BIDEN ADMIN IS FALLING OFF A CLIFF.
- THE GREAT RESET IS HANGING BY A THREAD.
- THE RATS AND TRAITORS ARE EXPOSED AND EATING EACH OTHER ALIVE.
- IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE GOING PUBLIC THAT CHINA COMMITTED MULTIPLE ACTS OF WAR ON THE UNITED STATES IN 2020.
david starling
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The Fake News Movement, which involves a disconnect from factual evidence, is attempting to redefine what it means to be a "true Patriot" of the U.S.A. It's Identity Politics in its purest form, and is occurring in the First House of the Cornwallis chart, the House of Self-identity.
As an unoccupied House in Capricorn, it clearly reflects the transit of Pluto through Capricorn, prior to its Pluto Return in Aquarius, its first such transit since the Cornwallis Natal-chart began.
As an unoccupied House in Capricorn, it clearly reflects the transit of Pluto through Capricorn, prior to its Pluto Return in Aquarius, its first such transit since the Cornwallis Natal-chart began.
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waybread
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Capricorn may explain a bunch.
Each sign deals with a certain relationship to time. Aquarius deals with the future. Taurus and Libra seek a balance in the present, but without a particular reaction against the past or future. They just want a continuation. Aries lives in the NOW!! without regard for either past or present. Virgo longs for a purified future, in which the "bugs and dirt" of the present will be expunged: according to Virgo's beliefs about what constitutes improvement. &c &c
Capricorn of all the signs deals most with the past, in the belief that the Good Old Days were better than today. Politically this is called being reactionary. I mean, it's head-scratching to realize that "progressive" [as in "progress"] has become a dirty word to rightwingers. American was built on the firm belief in progress!!! Capricorn's ruler Saturn rules old age, vs. youth or maturity; so it tends to be past-based.
I note that Jupiter and the 9th house rule theology and religion, but Saturn rules ecclesiastical authority; which tends to be ultra-conservative.
Last winter we went through a difficult time, with so many planets bunched up in Capricorn. A US president who condoned white backlash and the covid pandemic seem consistent with the Capricorn emphasis.
Then if you want to get traditional about it: Jupiter, normally the good luck factor, was in its fall in Capricorn and was still Saturn-ruled (traditionally) in Aquarius.
Things are looking up now that transiting Jupiter is (traditionally) domiciled in Pisces.
Each sign deals with a certain relationship to time. Aquarius deals with the future. Taurus and Libra seek a balance in the present, but without a particular reaction against the past or future. They just want a continuation. Aries lives in the NOW!! without regard for either past or present. Virgo longs for a purified future, in which the "bugs and dirt" of the present will be expunged: according to Virgo's beliefs about what constitutes improvement. &c &c
Capricorn of all the signs deals most with the past, in the belief that the Good Old Days were better than today. Politically this is called being reactionary. I mean, it's head-scratching to realize that "progressive" [as in "progress"] has become a dirty word to rightwingers. American was built on the firm belief in progress!!! Capricorn's ruler Saturn rules old age, vs. youth or maturity; so it tends to be past-based.
I note that Jupiter and the 9th house rule theology and religion, but Saturn rules ecclesiastical authority; which tends to be ultra-conservative.
Last winter we went through a difficult time, with so many planets bunched up in Capricorn. A US president who condoned white backlash and the covid pandemic seem consistent with the Capricorn emphasis.
Then if you want to get traditional about it: Jupiter, normally the good luck factor, was in its fall in Capricorn and was still Saturn-ruled (traditionally) in Aquarius.
Things are looking up now that transiting Jupiter is (traditionally) domiciled in Pisces.
One of the best examples of what you are describing is all through 2020 when the media claimed that there were mainly peaceful protests...all during the looting, burning, rioting, raping & killing. One reporter from the Clinton News Network was standing in front of a building that the thugs had set on fire, massive flames as the building burned to the ground & stated without a hint of irony
'I'm here right now with the protesters and there is no violence or chaos'.
And then the Dems even denied that Antifa was real & the corrupt media promoted that fantasy! That's the 
that was ignored in order to promote THEIR version of 'reality'.
Over 2 BILLION property damage, 55 + innocent people killed in the 'mainly peaceful protests'.
It's no wonder that MSM ratings have dropped dramatically, 70% viewers have left as the people realize that all they are propaganda machines.
won't leave H3 in both charts until 2025 & we see the lying ramping up. AND the omission of Truth & Facts. People are turning to alternative media which is now the REAL NEWS.
Biden Says Antifa Is ‘An Idea, Not An Organization’ during Presidential Debate
Rep. Jerry Nadler says Antifa violence in Portland a 'myth'
Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee sent a to letter Nadler, the committee's chair, criticizing him for launching “fruitless partisan investigations” into President Trump while ignoring the threat of Antifa. The letter called on Nadler to denounce “left-wing violent extremism” and convene a hearing to investigate the unrest engulfing a number of cities across the country.
Read more: https://www.city-data.com/forum/pol...98423-message-jerry-nadler-fbi-dir-warns.html
https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110938/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20200728-SD037.pdf
'I'm here right now with the protesters and there is no violence or chaos'.
And then the Dems even denied that Antifa was real & the corrupt media promoted that
fantasy! That's the that was ignored in order to promote THEIR version of 'reality'.Over 2 BILLION property damage, 55 + innocent people killed in the 'mainly peaceful protests'.
It's no wonder that MSM ratings have dropped dramatically, 70% viewers have left as the people realize that all they are
propaganda machines. won't leave H3 in both charts until 2025 & we see the lying ramping up. AND the omission of Truth & Facts. People are turning to alternative media which is now the REAL NEWS.Biden Says Antifa Is ‘An Idea, Not An Organization’ during Presidential Debate
Rep. Jerry Nadler says Antifa violence in Portland a 'myth'
Republicans on the House Judiciary Committee sent a to letter Nadler, the committee's chair, criticizing him for launching “fruitless partisan investigations” into President Trump while ignoring the threat of Antifa. The letter called on Nadler to denounce “left-wing violent extremism” and convene a hearing to investigate the unrest engulfing a number of cities across the country.
Read more: https://www.city-data.com/forum/pol...98423-message-jerry-nadler-fbi-dir-warns.html
https://www.congress.gov/116/meeting/house/110938/documents/HHRG-116-JU00-20200728-SD037.pdf
OH, and don't forget the persecution of Gen Michael Flynn who was finally exonerated of all the false charges & then pardoned by President Trump.
Spying is both Neptune/Pluto and plenty of both with the Obama regime who illegally spied on the Trump campaign.
Wow, Neptune has been really busy being domicile!
FISA warrants issued based on Neptune lies & only one person was charged.
Carter Page was totally exonerated like Flynn & the Inspector General 'ripped' the corruption of certain members of the FBI & the Obama admin.
Russia Russia Russia, Rudy Rudy Rudy, Impeachment, Impeachment, Impeachment.
One conspiracy theory after another with the dirty Dems & their corrupt media allies.
And it's never-ending. Smear, lie, manipulate and omit the Truth.
The fake news ignored the Biden Crimes with China, Ukraine & more recently, totally ignored the publication of Hunter using the 'N' word constantly & the 'Y' word when referring to Asians.
People ARE going to get VERY angry with the disclosures of the audits & a lot more that's coming this summer. It won't exactly be a 'summer of love'.
The anger is almost exact now in the Sibley Chart, Neptune/Mars H7 but maybe it does show up in the chart you present.
WASHINGTON – The Justice Department (DOJ) has acknowledged that it lacked probable cause to surveil former Trump campaign aide Carter Page in at least two of four warrant applications – all of which were granted by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). The extraordinary revelations were referenced in a newly-declassified FISC order requiring DOJ to preserve documents and explain how it will further restrict access to material obtained via the invalid surveillance.
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/FISA Warrant Application for Carter Page.pdf
Spying is both Neptune/Pluto and plenty of both with the Obama regime who illegally spied on the Trump campaign.
Wow, Neptune has been really busy being domicile!
FISA warrants issued based on Neptune lies & only one person was charged.
Carter Page was totally exonerated like Flynn & the Inspector General 'ripped' the corruption of certain members of the FBI & the Obama admin.
Russia Russia Russia, Rudy Rudy Rudy, Impeachment, Impeachment, Impeachment.
One conspiracy theory after another with the dirty Dems & their corrupt media allies.
And it's never-ending. Smear, lie, manipulate and omit the Truth.
The fake news ignored the Biden Crimes with China, Ukraine & more recently, totally ignored the publication of Hunter using the 'N' word constantly & the 'Y' word when referring to Asians.
People ARE going to get VERY angry with the disclosures of the audits & a lot more that's coming this summer. It won't exactly be a 'summer of love'.
The anger is almost exact now in the Sibley Chart, Neptune/Mars H7 but maybe it does show up in the chart you present.
WASHINGTON – The Justice Department (DOJ) has acknowledged that it lacked probable cause to surveil former Trump campaign aide Carter Page in at least two of four warrant applications – all of which were granted by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC). The extraordinary revelations were referenced in a newly-declassified FISC order requiring DOJ to preserve documents and explain how it will further restrict access to material obtained via the invalid surveillance.
https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/FISA Warrant Application for Carter Page.pdf
CapAquaPis
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Well written post and well said, waybread. No mention of Cancer is about the past, nostalgia and history...to look back on how we used to be, how far have we come and all the memories from the events we made back then. And the sign Cancer is exactly opposite Capricorn known for planning for the future.
wilsontc
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david,
The "birthers" were a minor movement and not representative of the majority of Conservatives or Republicans. There's no reason to look for a major transit to figure out why a few people thought a guy whose dad was connected with Africa might not have been born in the US. Once Obama's birth chart was revealed, a VERY few people continued to believe the "birther" theory but most decided to let it go. Astrologers looked at Obama's chart and found that it worked in explaining Obama's personality.
However what's going on now is a MUCH bigger fakery and confusion: men are men and women are women unless they don't want to be, people are forcing other people to call them by a made-up pronoun, medical doctors are being taught that men can give birth, etc. This is a HUGE issue of confusion and deception that threatens the basis of society. Whatever side you come down on these issues, they have resulted in massive rioting, looting, and firebombing on a level unsee in decades. This HAS to be indicated in the US's chart in order for that char to be valid, and it is, as mentioned, in the Cornwallis chart.
The LARGER issue is the Pluto return that is going on right now: the fundamental transformation of the US. This is larger than simply Pluto changing signs, it symbolizes the death and resurrection of the US. It is interesting how sometimes the Pluto return is symbolized in the Phoenix, which dies in fire and is reborn; and US cities have REGULARLY been set on fire across the nation.
Looking at the US,
Tim
Opal
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I agree. Transformation is happening and will continue for quite some time. In Aquarius, It should prove very interesting. Right now, it has been dividing the people, in the first house. Next, the financial system.
david starling
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Our NATIONAL IDENTITY CRISIS included Birtherism at the start: "Show us your Birth Certificate". Now it's "Show us your Vaccination I.D." There's a new type of Driver's License, called "Real I.D.", required for airline flights.
MAGA is about America's "real" greatness, and who's a "real" Patriot.
RINO is about who's a "real" Republican.
Voter identification has become a big issue.
This fits with Pluto transiting H1, in the Cornwallis chart. And, along with a NATIONAL identity crisis has come the GENDER IDENTITY CRISIS. Instead of "Are you a woman or a man?" simply being about men growing their hair long, it's become about one's "real" psychological Gender.
Pluto ingressing the Cornwallis 2nd House in Aquarius is going to be HUGE!
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Cold Fusion
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I'm not too sure about the Phoenix thing. Remember, snakes shed their skin, but they remain snakes.
https://imgflip.com/i/1y3tu8
waybread
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Tim, why don't you just relax around this?
In what way are trans people harming you? Do you know any trans people? If they transition male-to-female or female-to-male, why is it a problem for you to call them "he" or "she," consistent with their gender reassignment?
Do you know any inter-sex or asexual people?? [I didn't think so.]
And please, please, try to be more factual about American history. It just discredits your astrology if you sort of make it up (incorrectly) as you go along.
Also astrology. Mars rules fire, not Pluto, according to Rex E. Bills, The Rulership Book.
Please indicate the astrological signatures for:
Some major fires in American history:
1776; Great Fire of New York
1814: British sacking of Washington, DC.
1864: Union troops burn Atlanta
1871: Great Chicago fire and Peshtigo Fire
1906: San Francisco Earthquake fires
1911: Triangle Shirtwaist Factory Fire.
1921: Tulsa massacre
1947: Texas City disaster at a chemical plant
1965; Watts Riots
2001: World Trade Center fire (the deadliest in American history)
This isn't counting all kinds of wildfires, steamship explosions, and deadly burnings of individual buildings.
American cities have been burning off and on for a long time. Ditto for other countries around the world. How is Pluto implicated in them?
The Pluto return shows up in the Sibly chart, incidentally.
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david starling
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Rejuvenated. The Phoenix arises from the ashes rejuvenated.
The Uranian influence is about achieving the highest possible potential, and solving the problems that are preventing that from happening.
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I remember when Juan Castro said that he supports a trans women's right to have a baby!
Duh! These Left-wingers are dumb are stupid & don't even understand basic biology! Or do they actually believe that because a man takes hormones & has breast surgery/implants that he can give BIRTH!:
AND...another highly accomplished Professor was fired because he refused to address a student by their 'chosen' name zumzat!
Complete madness....
but the people ARE fighting back, parents are demanding CRT be banned, it has been banned in some Rep cities & many Americans who never ever considered entering political life are now running for state legislator or school board trustee or even for Congress.
We see this 'righteous' anger because the public have reached their limits with the left-wing 'wokeness'.
DeSantis BANNED all biological males from participating in women's sports & other Rep leaders are following suit.
He released a tape of a strong man beating all the young women in track & field. Now, let's see how the man does competing with other men as nature intended.
Meanwhile, the illusions & delusions created by lamestream media carries on & there's absolutely nobody watching anymore except the Marxists.
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis shows clip of transgender athlete
https://youtu.be/EtARoLzpWDw
Rep. Devin Nunes: Republicans Must Stop Talking to Establishment Media
Nunes lamented how many Republicans still interact with CNN, the New York Times, and the Washington Post, and similar news media outlets despite widespread recognition of their deceptive conduct.
Nunes remarked, “I still, for the life of me, can’t understand why Republicans talk to 95 percent of the media, which is fake news. … ‘Fake news’ isn’t the proper term. It’s the propaganda arm of the Democrat Socialist Party. That’s what it is.”
He continued, “It’s no different than the Chinese Communist Party [and] the propaganda they put out.
https://www.breitbart.com/radio/202...ans-must-stop-talking-to-establishment-media/
Duh! These Left-wingers are dumb are stupid & don't even understand basic biology! Or do they actually believe that because a man takes hormones & has breast surgery/implants that he can give BIRTH!:
AND...another highly accomplished Professor was fired because he refused to address a student by their 'chosen' name zumzat!
Complete madness....
but the people ARE fighting back, parents are demanding CRT be banned, it has been banned in some Rep cities & many Americans who never ever considered entering political life are now running for state legislator or school board trustee or even for Congress.
We see this 'righteous'
anger because the public have reached their limits with the left-wing 'wokeness'.DeSantis BANNED all biological males from participating in women's sports & other Rep leaders are following suit.
He released a tape of a strong man beating all the young women in track & field. Now, let's see how the man does competing with other men as nature intended.
Meanwhile, the
illusions & delusions created by lamestream media carries on & there's absolutely nobody watching anymore except the Marxists.Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis shows clip of transgender athlete
https://youtu.be/EtARoLzpWDw
Rep. Devin Nunes: Republicans Must Stop Talking to Establishment Media
Nunes lamented how many Republicans still interact with CNN, the New York Times, and the Washington Post, and similar news media outlets despite widespread recognition of their deceptive conduct.
Nunes remarked, “I still, for the life of me, can’t understand why Republicans talk to 95 percent of the media, which is fake news. … ‘Fake news’ isn’t the proper term. It’s the propaganda arm of the Democrat Socialist Party. That’s what it is.”
He continued, “It’s no different than the Chinese Communist Party [and] the propaganda they put out.
https://www.breitbart.com/radio/202...ans-must-stop-talking-to-establishment-media/
david starling
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Pluto transiting the Cornwallis Natal-chart H1 is causing an Identity Crisis in several areas.
MAGA is part of the Crisis, NOT part of the solution.
MAGA is part of the Crisis, NOT part of the solution.