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rahu

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I looked at the quad compsosite of the time of arck duke Charles desath and the charts of queen caroline, the grand duke and lord Stanhope

when I looked at caroline and Charles composite, it did not seem malicious.

this chart shows that on Charles death day the asteroid caroline is conjunct to Charles. this is not what I would expect if caroline was part of the plot. but stanhope is conjunct to nessus which is opposed to orcus and square to Polaris. stanhope was a mason. in holy blood holy grail the author describes how all secret societies ,including the masons are based on caballic principals and were created by those interested in reinstating the Merovingian kingship. to this end through the centuries under the guise of various secret societies, these families, the Priory of Sion have manipulated political affairs.

here it seems the mason were the implement to keep the Merovingians out of succession.

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rahu

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I looked at the quad compsosite of the time of arck duke Charles desath and the charts of queen caroline, the grand duke and lord Stanhope

when I looked at caroline and Charles composite, it did not seem malicious.

this chart shows that on Charles death day the asteroid caroline is conjunct to Charles. this is not what I would expect if caroline was part of the plot. but stanhope is conjunct to nessus which is opposed to orcus and square to Polaris. stanhope was a mason. in holy blood holy grail the author describes how all secret societies ,including the masons are based on caballic principals and were created by those interested in reinstating the Merovingian kingship. to this end through the centuries under the guise of various secret societies, these families, the Priory of Sion have manipulated political affairs.

here it seems the mason were the implement to keep the Merovingians out of succession.

rahu

interestingly napoleon started showing signs of disease that would kill him in 1817. just 1 year before Charles died after a prolonged disease which he claimed was caused by poison. napoleon also stated he had be poisoned. these seem more tha a coincidence that Napoleon's daughter's husband dies of poisoning and Napoleon dies of poisoning in 1821.

a decade or so back two researches had obtained a specimen of napoleon's hairs and wanted to investigate the allegation thaw he had been poisonerd.this claim first appeared when napoleons coffin wa transferred and upon opening the body was intact. this can be evidence for arsenic poisions.. which is a cumulative poison tha kill after a certain amount is ingested.
the analysis of the hair showed 3 spikes of arsenic followed by periods of ill health. these 3 periods were correlated to the visit of a man still seen in the French court.
it seems this man had brought eh arsenic that killed napoleon.

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rahu

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interestingly napoleon started showing signs of disease that would kill him in 1817. just 1 year before Charles died after a prolonged disease which he claimed was caused by poison. napoleon also stated he had be poisoned. these seem more tha a coincidence that Napoleon's daughter's husband dies of poisoning and Napoleon dies of poisoning in 1821.

a decade or so back two researches had obtained a specimen of napoleon's hairs and wanted to investigate the allegation thaw he had been poisonerd.this claim first appeared when napoleons coffin wa transferred and upon opening the body was intact. this can be evidence for arsenic poisions.. which is a cumulative poison tha kill after a certain amount is ingested.
the analysis of the hair showed 3 spikes of arsenic followed by periods of ill health. these 3 periods were correlated to the visit of a man still seen in the French court.
it seems this man had brought eh arsenic that killed napoleon.

rahu

I read a article about napoleon recently and it made the point that napoleon always said the way to deal with a mob is to fire some grapeshot down the street.

this made me think because napoleon became a leader of the revolution precisely because he DID NOT shoot grape shot at the mob that tore down the bastille. napoleon was the commander of the artillery that was guarding the bastille. when the mob charged, napoleon did not fire on them. the storming of the bastille is often called the beginning of the French revolution.

the French revolution not only brought down the French aristocracy but the French revolution also broke the tradition of jewish ghettos. after the revolution the Jews were allowed to migrate to many countries. napoleon personally invite the Jews to settle in france as he expected they would build the economy back up. but the jews dashed his hope as instead of rejuvenating the economy ,the bought up the impoverished villages and became the new land lords. os naploean revolution greatly enhanced jewish fortunes.

the at the battle of waterloo, when napoleon lost, the English economy was taken over by the Rothschild because everyone expected napoleon to defeat the English. in this event the british debt would be worthless. Rothschild brought up the English debt for virtually nothing and when napoleon lost, the Rothschild ended up controlling the English empire.

the composite chart for waterloo and napoleon shows Polaris conjunct the lilth axis and opposed to juno which was conjunct to lilth. furtur, Polaris was square to the node and orcus.
at the same time arcturus was conjunct Jupiter and square to ersi and square the sun mercury conjunction.

one could interpret this as napoleon was a link between the Davidic yahwist and the Merovingian blood line of arcturus.


interestingly this was similar to the bastille/napoleon composite.
there arcturus was square to the lilth axis and mars and Polaris was conjunct Uranus and square to Jupiter and Neptune.

strange as it seems that both stars were powerful during these two epic events for jewish history.

27 of napoleon's 30 marshals were freemasons. it is not recorded that napoleon was a free mason , but then as emperor he could not let this be known as it most likely was.
so again it seems that the free masons, acting as agents for the priory of sion, were integral in defining the course of European history as the book holy blood holy grail maintains ."even napoleon was a pawn in their game"

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rahu

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the question of poisoning and clandestine assassination comes up with refere3nce to the Spartans. given the Merovingian's were benjamites and that the Spartans were said to be jewish in origin, it is worth noting that the Spartans were a slave society. they had conquered the helots, the original inhabitants of arcata .
one of the passage rites for young men was to go out at night and slit the throat of a helot male. these males that was murdered was always one held in high esteem by the helot community or in someway showed a strength of personality.
poisoning and clandestine assassinations are to this day a major way the mossad keeps rival communities at bay.
just in the last few months, some 60 or so high banking executives have committed "suicide" or died in unusual circumstances.

to often coincident random deaths have helped the mossad/netayahu agenda i.e. Yasser Arafat.

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rahu

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With the chart of the Cayce birth day for Jesus, ixion is conjunct the north node.
This is an unusual aspect as ixion is a bit of a sinister character. But he was the father of Chiron .
The martial charcter of ixion may be represented of the saying s of jesus that go contrary of this image of peace.
“Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. sI have not come to bring peace, but a sword. rFor I have come tto set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household.
The trine of ixion to juno may be seen as the aspect of healing and harmony from the matriarchal side of the blood line.
The name of Judas should ring louder historically as he had to have been heir to rabbi judas of galilee who started the zealot sect around the year 0 . a descendant of this judas was also said to have commanded at masada.
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http://news.yahoo.com/origins-gospel-jesuss-wife-begin-emerge-115640514.html

Origins of 'Gospel of Jesus's Wife' Begin to Emerge
Origins of 'Gospel of Jesus's Wife' Begin to Emerge

Written in Coptic (an Egyptian language), the Gospel of Jesus's Wife, if authentic, suggests that some people in ancient times believed Jesus was married, apparently to Mary Magdalene.


The truth may be finally emerging about the "Gospel of Jesus's Wife," a highly controversial papyrus suggesting that some people, in ancient times, believed Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene. New research on the papyrus' ink points to the possibility that it is authentic, researchers say, while newly obtained documents may shed light on the origins of the business-card-sized fragment.
Debate about the credibility of the "gospel" began as soon as Harvard University professor Karen King reported her discovery of the papyrus in September 2012. Written in Coptic (an Egyptian language), the papyrus fragment contains a translated line that reads, "Jesus said to them, 'My wife …'" and also refers to a "Mary," possibly Mary Magdalene.
King had tentatively dated the papyrus to the fourth century, saying it may be a copy of a gospel written in the second century in Greek. [Read Translation of Gospel of Jesus's Wife Papyrus]
Analysis of the papyrus, detailed last year in the Harvard Theological Review journal, suggested the papyrus dates back around 1,200 years (somewhere between the sixth and ninth centuries) while the ink is of a type that could have been created at that time. These findings have led King to support the text's authenticity.
However over the past year many scholars have come to the conclusion that the papyrus is a modern-day forgery, though King and a few other researchers say they are not ready to concede this: "At this point, when discussions and research are ongoing, I think it is important, however difficult, to stay open regarding the possible dates of the inscription and other matters of interpretation," wrote King in a letter recently published in the magazine Biblical Archaeological Review. King has not responded to several interview requests from Live Science.
Now, researchers at Columbia University are running new tests on the ink used on the papyrus. Initial tests published by the Columbia University team in 2014 indicated the ink could have been made in ancient times. Researchers are saying little until their report is published; however they did talk about one finding that could provide some support for its authenticity.
A gospel steeped in mystery
The current owner of the papyrus has insisted on remaining anonymous, claiming that he bought the Gospel of Jesus's Wife, along with other Coptic texts, in 1999 from a man named Hans-Ulrich Laukamp. This person, in turn, got it from Potsdam, in what was East Germany, in 1963, the owner said.
Laukamp died in 2002, and the claim that he owned the text has been strongly disputed: Rene Ernest, the man whom Laukamp and his wife Helga charged with representing their estate, said that Laukamp had no interest in antiquities, did not collect them and was living in West Berlin in 1963. Therefore, he couldn't have crossed the Berlin Wall into Potsdam. Axel Herzsprung, a business partner of Laukamp's, similarly said that Laukamp never had an interest in antiquities and never owned a papyrus. Laukamp has no children or living relatives who could verify these claims. [6 Archaeological Forgeries That Tried to Change History]
Over the past few months, new documents have been found that not only reconstruct Laukamp's life in greater detail, but also provide a new way to check the anonymous owner's story.
King reported in a 2014 Harvard Theological Review article that the anonymous owner "provided me with a photocopy of a contract for the sale of '6 Coptic papyrus fragments, one believed to be a Gospel' from Hans-Ulrich Laukamp, dated Nov. 12, 1999, and signed by both parties." King also notes that "a handwritten comment on the contract states, 'Seller surrenders photocopies of correspondence in German. Papyri were acquired in 1963 by the seller in Potsdam (East Germany).'"
After searching public databases in Florida a Live Science reporter uncovered seven signatures signed by Laukamp between 1997 and 2001 on five notarized documents. Anyone can search these databases and download these documents. These signatures can be compared with the signature recording the sale of the Gospel of Jesus's Wife — providing another way to verify or disprove the story of how the "gospel" made its way to Harvard.
While Harvard University would have to work with forensic handwriting experts to verify the signature, the fact that these notarized documents exist, and are publicly available, presents the opportunity to see if Laukamp really did own the Gospel of Jesus's Wife. Forensic handwriting analysis, while not always conclusive, has been used to determine if signatures made on documents or works of art are authentic or forged.

If Laukamp did own the papyrus, authentic or not, then the origins of the enigmatic text lie with him. The new Laukamp documents allow the story of his life between 1995 and 2002 to be told in some detail. However if Laukamp didn't own the papyrus and the anonymous owner has not been truthful, then further doubt would be cast on the papyrus' authenticity, and information leading to the identity, motives and techniques of the forgers could be found.
Authentic or forged?
One important find, which indicates the Gospel of Jesus's Wife is a fake, was made last year by Christian Askeland, a research associate with the Institute for Septuagint and Biblical Research in Wuppertal, Germany. He examined a second Coptic papyrus containing part of the Gospel of John, which the anonymous owner of the Gospel of Jesus's Wife had also given to Harvard. This text was likewise supposedly purchased from Laukamp, and radiocarbon testing of that papyrus similarly found that it dates back around 1,200 years. [See Images of the Ancient Gospel of Judas]
Askeland found that the text and line breaks— where one line of a text ends and another begins — are identical to those of another papyrus, published in a 1924 book. That second papyrus was written in a dialect of Coptic called Lycopolitan, which went extinct around 1,500 years ago. Askeland concluded that the John papyrus is a forgery. Furthermore, it shares other features with the Gospel of Jesus's Wife, Askeland said, suggesting both are forgeries.
"The two Coptic fragments clearly shared the same ink, writing implement and scribal hand. The same artisan had created both essentially at the same time," Askeland wrote in a paper recently published in the journal New Testament Studies.
King objected to this conclusion in her Biblical Archaeology Review letter, noting that the John fragment could have been copied in ancient times, long after Lycopolitan went extinct, from a text that had similar line breaks.
In addition, James Yardley, a senior research scientist at Columbia University, told Live Science that the new tests confirm that the Gospel of Jesus's Wife holds different ink than the John papyrus. This could undercut Askeland's argument that the two papyri were written by the same person.
"In our first exploration, we did state that the inks used for the two documents of interest [the John papyrus and the Gospel of Jesus's Wife] were quite different. The more recent results do confirm this observation strongly," Yardley told Live Science.
He added that until his new research is published in a peer-reviewed journal, he doesn't want to say anything more publicly. And once it's published, Askeland and other researchers will have a chance to respond.
Askeland's find is far from the only argument that the Gospel of Jesus's Wife is a fake: A number of scholars have noted that the Coptic writing in the Gospel of Jesus's Wife is similar to another early Christian text called the "Gospel of Thomas," even including a modern-day typo made in a 2002 edition of the Gospel of Thomas that is available for free online. That typo indicates the forgers copied from this modern-day text. King disputed this assertion in 2014, saying that ancient scribes made grammatical errors similar to the modern-day typo.
King and communications staff at Harvard Divinity School have not responded to repeated requests for comment.
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david starling

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The gender of ancient deities often changed from one culture to another. The Sumerians worshipped a male version of the Moon, the Greeks female (just one example). Lucifer is a male version of Venus as the morning star, Sumerian goddess of Truth and Justice, Maat in ancient Egypt. Lucifer wasn't depicted as Evil, or connected with Satan (the Church's version of Saturn), until Milton's great work, Paradise Lost. Why Milton decided to connect the planet Venus to an evil being is beyond me. Astrologically speaking, it's bogus. It's a product of distorted mythology. So, please, let's not encourage this misrepresentation of the beneficial planet Venus. As for the Church, it's reverence for a "pagan" version of Venus (ancient Sumeria's Ishtar) whether good or evil, is quite odd. It would be like Christians praying to Zeus or Apollo!
 

ALRESCHA

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The gender of ancient deities often changed from one culture to another. The Sumerians worshipped a male version of the Moon, the Greeks female (just one example). Lucifer is a male version of Venus as the morning star, Sumerian goddess of Truth and Justice, Maat in ancient Egypt. Lucifer wasn't depicted as Evil, or connected with Satan (the Church's version of Saturn), until Milton's great work, Paradise Lost. Why Milton decided to connect the planet Venus to an evil being is beyond me. Astrologically speaking, it's bogus. It's a product of distorted mythology. So, please, let's not encourage this misrepresentation of the beneficial planet Venus. As for the Church, it's reverence for a "pagan" version of Venus (ancient Sumeria's Ishtar) whether good or evil, is quite odd. It would be like Christians praying to Zeus or Apollo!

Not really. You got Isaiah 14:12 and 2 Peter 1:19

I think linking Venus to Lucifer is a misconception that comes from combining the understanding that he is the original light, and Venus being the morning star with the Solomon's demonology work.

And Solomon used astrology to build the temple, so the Church followed the tradition, nothing new or odd there. Then they monopolized the knowledge.
 

rahu

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The gender of ancient deities often changed from one culture to another. The Sumerians worshipped a male version of the Moon, the Greeks female (just one example). Lucifer is a male version of Venus as the morning star, Sumerian goddess of Truth and Justice, Maat in ancient Egypt. Lucifer wasn't depicted as Evil, or connected with Satan (the Church's version of Saturn), until Milton's great work, Paradise Lost. Why Milton decided to connect the planet Venus to an evil being is beyond me. Astrologically speaking, it's bogus. It's a product of distorted mythology. So, please, let's not encourage this misrepresentation of the beneficial planet Venus. As for the Church, it's reverence for a "pagan" version of Venus (ancient Sumeria's Ishtar) whether good or evil, is quite odd. It would be like Christians praying to Zeus or Apollo!
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the most ancient cultures had both male and female dieties for instance the Egyptians had a male and female god for every instance. anubis the god of the dead had a counter part of anpu, a female version. but in practical use only a god of one sex was mentioned. but the opposite counter part was included on th elist of the gods.

the Sumerian gods all had a female spouse or counterpart.nannar-sin the god of the moon had his wife ningal.

the further back you go, all deities were woman. it is only after the patriarchal indo European peoples conquered the exist mother goddess that you find male dieties.
in the beginning all peoples had a single mother goddess, then she became associated with a star child, then she was associated with a spouse , then she was relegated to a secondary position by the indo Europeans.
even in the bible ,they speak of the cult of ball. but this is yahwist deceit and misogyny at work. ball was always the consort of belial,she was the center of the cult
the yahwist did the same thing in genesis to degrade the indigenous mother goddess, they made the serpent a male but from time immemorial the serpent was female and I intimately tied to the mother goddess. as astrologers this should be obvious as the serpent/dragonhead is the moon's orbital nodes

the word asherah is another name for the mother goddess but tis is also the name of the special temple were the serpent was kept.
Samuel had an asherah, the philistines put his head in their asherah and in the last few years a 40year old discovery of several seals saying Yahweh and Asherah have been revealed. this definitively shows that Yahweh was not a foundation god. Yahweh was a cult god that the levites raise to omnipotence so that they could subjugate the 12 Hebrew tribes with king davids help as he raised them to priest status

by the way I have often wondered why no scholar has pointed out that amon was the supreme Egyptian god in the middle kingdom but don't make a connection the word amen used at the end of prayers. with the intimate association that the Hebrews had with Egypt . it makes me wonder.

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david starling

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Yes, I noticed that years ago while studying the ancient Egyptian culture, because the two versions, Amon and Amen, were interchangeable. The "hidden god" symbolized by the ram. Sounds like too much of a coincidence since the Hebrew culture was so involved with the Egyptian. But, as you said, rahu, no mention of this by an "authority" in the field. At least none that I'm aware of.
 
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ALRESCHA

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Female and male top pair deities with similar names are common to many ancient cultures, but I think that never changes at the core of any tradition.

My conclusion is that there are two cyclic time units that bring matriarchate and patriarchate and that our time will be about balance.

I would think of a-um before amen looking for the root.
 

rahu

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Yes, I noticed that years ago while studying the ancient Egyptian culture, because the two versions, Amon and Amen, were interchangeable. The "hidden god" symbolized by the ram. Sounds like too much of a coincidence since the Hebrew culture was so involved with the Egyptian. But, as you said, rahu, no mention of this by an "authority" in the field. At least none that I'm aware of.

another interesting bit of the puzzle is that amon was a hidden god and the god of Hebrews was also a hidden god. the other gods of the middle east made fun of the Hebrews because god only communicated through the ark of the covenant whereas the other cultures had living gods resident among them.

also as there is such a tie between he Hebrews and Egyptians, why has no scholar made any connection between Hebrew seth and Egyptian set?

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ALRESCHA

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ALRESCHA, I feel you're on to something, but I would like a more complete explanation. Are you saying AUM is the feminine version of Amen? Thanks.

Sorry, I meant that the word amen that we say today most likely comes from a-un, East Asia, as the people and their traditions come from the East, not south, not Egypt.

I also know why they only talk about this now, but, I'm afraid that sharing would cause hostility in people. That can be avoided :)
 

david starling

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Looking up the meanings of "AUM" and "Amen", both are words of Affirmation. "A-UN" seems to be like a Summation and Acceptance of All that Exists, without judgement; unless I misunderstood.
 
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ALRESCHA

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What he studied is a part of what I studied, so his sources are mine. I hardly ever use other people's research results to conduct my own, but I have an idea why it was done relatively recently and not sooner. His work seems like a good synthesis that provides a fine base for comparative analyses. I'll probably have the time in a couple of years, but I'm not sure I'd find it fresh.

The myth repeated in Christ story isn't only found in Egyptian mythology, if that's what you're getting at, but in around 50 other stories, myths and legends. I believe that the reason for that is that Christ's birth was long predicted and expected, so you have older, similar myths. I believe mythology was used to bring order and educate the masses about the ways of the Universe discovered through astrology. And they used astrology to predict the birth and everything

Another thing, my opinion, after about 17 years of analyses is that we have to thank the misguided popularization of the Egyptian culture in our Western culture, and I refer to the education system first, for the fortification of the basis of (previously) established Eurocentrism that dates back to the times of the Roman empire. Egypt is fascinating, but it is not the root of the civilization. :)
 

david starling

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Western historians appear convinced that the Uruk culture that predated ancient Sumeria was the "cradle of Civilization", and that Ancient Egypt borrowed from there; Ancient Greece borrowed heavily from Egypt, Babylonian (which was a continuation of Sumeria), Crete, the Hebrew culture, etc. Ancient Rome essentially pinched the Greek culture. Add in Persia's Zoroastrians and I think you can get a pretty good picture of Western spirituality prior to Christianity. I got the feeling Joseph Campbell considered Christianity to be an amalgamation and extension of what came before without believing it is a completion of ancient prophecy. Sort of an agnostic sociologist. Sort of a Virgoan, analytical attitude coupled with admiration for the human imagination. Not mystical enough to really hold my attention.
 

ALRESCHA

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Yes and that kind of approach is a part of a long-term goal plan. Like I said, I must not cause anger in people by explaining that. Nothing would change anyway. I am sure that if anyone is willing, they will find the reasons for that if they study the root even briefly.

It was Asi who brought the wisdom to the old West, not the people from the south. The language history will always testify the truth.

There are records of the trade meetings of the Romans and the Chinese that are equally old on both sides where they describe each other the same way, describing features that are not quite human, saying that they have purple and red pigmentation, so keeping countries off the public map was a deal to maintain social, economic and cultural control and plan other things. Asian history is banned from the Western schools for a reason, and the latest pop ancient civilizations research work is supportive of that.

It is very difficult to get those books anywhere in the West and learn what really happened unless you are at least partially an orientalist. Uni libraries hold enough genuine material.
 
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