Actually I did NOT make a mistake there, it is more of a misunderstood. I was born in 2002, so I'm 16 years old on paper. However, in Vietnam (and also in China), there is another type of age calculation called "tuổi mụ" ("mụ"here means "unreal", while "tuổi" means "age"). Every newborn will already be one year old right at the time they were given birth. This is because along with the modern calendar of the Western, which came into Vietnam since the France's colonization in the mid 19th century, that we are officially using, we still have a Chinese Lunar Calendar. This type of calendar is mainly used for traditional festival dates or New Year celebration and is no longer used among the younger generation. I, however, sometimes raise my age 1 year in my conversation as a habit because my mom gave me that habit of age calculating. My REAL AGE is still 16, to be clear. Hope my explaination gave a littile bit interesting information for you
Explanation appreciated and glad to hear that the chart was not mis-cast.
We sometimes say our age in a similar way here, too. I'm 65 years old but I am in my 66th year. Just like the enumeration of the degrees. If you have only been alive one day then you are in your first year and 00* 00' 01" is in the 1st degree... basically the same difference.
I notice that you have had a couple more "volunteers" in response to your request. That's fine, I'm not going to bother with reading them, though as I have come to disregard a great deal of what presently passes it self off as natal analysis of a horoscope.
I have become more and more faithful to the guidance in understanding and utilizing astrology by the late Edgar Cayce's clairvoyant readings of which almost every single one was recorded first hand at the session.
My parents were avid students of the readings and had compiled a sizable little library on the man and his gift by the time of their passing and which I inherited. I began an interest in the subject myself at the young age of about 8 years old.
Edgar had repeatedly said to stay away from modern astrology in that there was more that was wrong about it than was correct. My parents went along with that belief and I followed suit.. we had all proven to ourselves that Cayce was a man of a source for true knowledge and so none of us questioned Edgar's advice. It was my brother that "broke rank" during a two year layoff from his occupation from 1982 to 1984 and read many books on the subject. He also read a great number of the writings of Carl Jung and thus became very studied in symbology. He determined for himself as to what knowledge and what techniques being presently used in astrology were correct and which were not...most all of them, anyways. I showed up at his door in August of 1984 asking to stay with him for awhile as I need a respite from the life I had been living. I stayed with Him for nine months and He taught me all that He had just learned of in the field of astrology
[He would have been his graduating high school class valedictorian but for the fact he was given a grade of "B" in physical education his final semester. It was a political move by the schools' administration in order to not have him speak at the graduation ceremonies. We were both considered to be what were known as "hippies" back in those days. We were both outspoken against the military involvement in your country and spoke out against rampant capitalistic aggression that still controls our own country to this day. We weren't "communists", mind you, but we do believe in "communalism", if you can understand the difference?
He only took one half year of college the Fall after He graduated but returned to college in 2001 and earned 5 degrees in six years. He was awarded Baccalaureate Art degrees in Biology, Chemistry and English Literature and a Science degree in Computer Science. He also was awarded a Masters' degree in Teaching. He likely has a few more degrees since I last spoke to him about five years ago. He was evaluated to have an I.Q. of somewhere around 160 as I recall and while I'm every bit hi equal in mathematics and mechanical and spatial reasoning, I score in the 98th percentile for all, I'm comparatively deficient in reading comprehension and verbal skills, I score in the 55th percentile for both. Thus my reason... or "excuse"... for not finishing college myself as I just couldn't keep up with all the required reading. My brother has a voracious appetite for reading and he feeds it constantly. I hated the subjects of biology and English, particularly English grammar and am terrible at writing, or at least I was ten years ago as I have been writing constantly since July 2008, mostly online although I began with a book I managed to have published on the subject of astrology concerning the birth chart I mentioned in an earlier post, that being the one I'm convinced of is the birth chart of Yeshu'a/Jesus of Nazareth. My brother also believes it is the "genuine article". I had the naive notion after it was published that it would be easily recognized by the astrological community and that all I would have to do with my time is be happily retired and go fishing and take nature hikes. After six months time I realized that not only was the information not reaching people it was also being thwarted from doing so by many different people and for a number of reasons. The Vatican is certainly one involved as for the reason the chart demonstrates He was not what they would like to have us believe. He was born a man, a human, just like everyone else...pretty much , as there haven't been any other men born from virgin birth that was recorded by historians that we know of, but the gist of it is that He is everything the birth chart indicates. Hence how and why I came up with my "signature line". "You are a Divine creation of the Universe", just as He was. We are all sons and daughters of our God, our "Creator"I had to get the word out and also explain the chart to as many as I possibly can and that has been pretty much all I've been doing the last ten years... that is writing in astrological forums such as this one. Mostly in this one as for the reason two of the forums I wrote in went offline and I was banned from two others] That all having been said as to impress you with the intelligence of the man that taught me what is correct about the use of astrology and what to stay away from, I shall now continue with the matter of your natal horoscope.
First off, Edgar Cayce was found to have indicated, from the study of all the readings He gave that touched upon the subject of astrology, that most people are affected by only from two to six of the planets. The leaves one with a dilemma as to which ones do affect you and which don't. That can only be determined from years of constant observation or by utilizing another who has the true gift of clairvoyance. Fortunately for me, I became associated with just such a person in early 2003. I am one of the rarities in that I am affected by them all.
[although I have found that the planet Uranus has the most profound affect upon me astrologically. Thus I do believe that some planets may, or will, affect a person more than others.] Yet, Edgar did say that "all angles to the ascendant" affect everyone. From that little gem of a statement it can be extrapolated that the Astrological Parts that utilize the ascendant as the personal point do affect everyone. I also take it to mean that all of the house cusps when used as a personal point are then also... and to this day I have not been disappointed by that reasoning.
I've now spent too much time just getting around to continuing on with the analysis, so I won't be as able to write as much as I had planned on but l will address your chart axis tonight as that is of primary importance.
The axis I speak of is that which is created by the horizon and meridian of your natal chat. That is to say those points on the Zodiac where-in lie your ascendant, descendant, nadir and mid-haven.
Dane Rudhyar explained that those four points should be recognized as follows.
The ascendant is the "WHO" of your being and that "WHO" is revealed by the Sabian Symbol found for the degree of the Zodiac it is in.
The descendant is the "WHERE-TO" of your being, although I sometimes prefer to use the term, "WHOM-TO" [as meaning as to "WHO" it is that you shall become]
The nadir was said by Dane to represent "HOW" that transition is to be made and the mid-haven represents "WHY" it must be made. Yet Dane did infer, but never did come right out and declare it and most very likely as for the reason he never compiled enough evidence before his passing, that
this arrangement concerning the meridian is in regard to the mundane affairs of ones life.
When they are reversed in roles they then symbolically represent the 'spiritual" affairs concerning the transformation indicated by the horizon points.
Know that the 360 Sabian Symbols represent the cycle of transformation that is found in all of natures cycles but when read from Aries 01* to Pisces 30* they represent the cycle of transformation which leads one into "Maya", [a word from Sanskrit which I must insist that you learn of and understand] "Maya" is the illusion of the material realm of existence and both the Sanatan Dharm [or "Hindu" religion by Occidental nomenclature] and the Buddhist philosophies forewarn of becoming entrapped within. You can most likely come to understand this from just studying the Sabian Symbol given for the 30th degree of Pisces, which is [ibid]
"PISCES 30°: A MAJESTIC ROCK FORMATION RESEMBLING A FACE IS IDEALIZED BY A BOY WHO TAKES IT AS HIS IDEAL OF GREATNESS, AND AS HE GROWS UP, BEGINS TO LOOK LIKE IT.
KEYNOTE: The power of clearly visualized ideals to mold the life of the visualizer.
Nathaniel Hawthorne's story 'The Great Stone Face' is used here in an allegorical sense to show the capacity for self-transformation latent in man. This power can be developed through visualization, when the emotions and the will are poured into the visualized mental image. At the highest spiritual-cosmic level this is the power used by the God-like Beings at the close of a cosmic cycle in projecting the basic Formula (the Word) which will start a new universe. In a biological sense, it is the power latent in all seeds — the power to produce and guide the growth of the future plant. A most fitting symbol for the last phase of the cyclic process. Within the end of the cycle the seed of a new beginning exists in potency — unless the entire cycle has proven to be a failure.
This is the last stage of the last scene of the great ritual play of cyclic transformations. It brings to us a realization of the power of archetypes as factors conditioning life processes. Thus we could use as a final Keyword: ARCHETYPALIZATION."
The key to understanding, as to what I getting on here about, is that the face the boy idealizes is a face in stone. To become as like stone is symbolically indicating becoming enmeshed, entrapped, in "Maya", the material world.
Dane wrote a number of times in various books, "the true path of a disciple begins in Virgo" although He never explained as to exactly what he meant.
It is because of the obtaining of the true natal chart of Yeshu'a/Jesus that this concept became clear. I do believe that I wrote in detail explaining this in that thread I initiated about the "birth chart of Jesus" it should be in the first post somewhere and you can find it and read more if you care to.
I was able to come to a realization that the cycle of spiritual transformation...that which leads us out of "Maya" and frees us from becoming entrapped in it thus begins at the 30th degree of Virgo and proceeds in the opposite direction culminating with the 1st degree of Libra.
I will at this point hereto post the text for the 1st degree of Libra's Sabian Symbol as to accelerate your acquisition of knowledge and understanding.
[ibid.]
"LIBRA 1°: IN A COLLECTION OF PERFECT SPECIMENS OF MANY BIOLOGICAL FORMS, A BUTTERFLY DISPLAYS THE BEAUTY OF ITS WINGS, ITS BODY IMPALED BY A FINE DART.
KEYNOTE: The immortal archetypal reality that a perfect and dedicated life reveals.
Just as the symbol for Aries 1° evoked the keynote of the entire first half of the cycle, i.e. differentiation out of the undifferentiated 'Ocean of potentiality', this symbol for Libra 1° reveals to the intuitive consciousness the essential character of the second hemicycle. In the yearly cycle we have reached the fall equinox, the symbolic time -of bringing in the harvest in preparation for winter. It is the time consecrated to the seed, just as the spring equinox is consecrated to the germ, the new rise of life which in-forms the growth of individual organisms.
At this autumnal point, the drive toward individualization and self-assertion has lost much of its momentum, while a new trend is successfully and dynamically challenging its hegemony — the trend toward the formation of collectivities of individuals. But this new trend can be misunderstood if seen only superficially as the mere gathering together of individual persons. The process has a much deeper meaning, and indeed an inner source of power, for what is at stake is not merely an aggregation of separate units (simple or already complex, as in the case of 'families'). At the core of this 'coming together', the 'descent' or externalization of archetypal realities is gradually occurring. At the Libra stage, these archetypal realities are 'Forms'; at the Scorpio stage they will be 'Powers'. The symbol for this degree of the fall equinox thus describes a 'perfect form' — the result of the metamorphosis of 'worm' into butterfly, a process the symbolism of which has so often been used to indicate to man the possibility of his being transformed into 'more-than-man', the transhuman being, the true Initiate, the Adept, the Perfect. The perfect butterfly is impaled by a fine dart; the symbol of 'dart of wisdom' was used in Marc Jones's mimeographed course, while the original notation of what the clairvoyant had seen indicated 'a butterfly made perfect by a dart through it', suggesting a process of perfection through sacrifice.
As I see it, the dart can hardly be said to have made the butterfly perfect, but it keeps it perfect by killing the living organism. The impaled butterfly is preserved by the dart which 'fixes' it in perfection for a whole cycle, i.e. it makes an archetype of it. By thus escaping the normal process of dying and decay, the butterfly form (the 'perfection') is kept. It is kept in the mystical Shamballah, where it is said that the Pattern of Man is kept, just as the perfect bar measuring exactly one meter is (or was) kept in a crypt in Paris, where the metric system was originally devised.
The perfect butterfly thus represents the outcome of the process of occult discipleship symbolized by the sign Virgo. From then on, a new process begins, that of collectivization; at the very core of that new process the perfect Form of Man must remain as a standard of value if this process is to be valid and meaningful.
This is the first statement in the thirteenth scene of the great ritual drama. It is an actional phase because in it the perfection of individual activity is revealed and immortalized. This is the symbolical Transfiguration; at the Mount of Transfiguration, Jesus, the Son of Man, was 'impaled' by the ray of Divine Light, making of him a Son of God. It was at this very moment that he learned of the Crucifixion awaiting him. Thus the merely human individual is MADE SACRED, becoming the pure embodiment of an archetype."
If you will please look to the last paragraph of the main text for the Sabian Symbol I quoted above and notice that Dane wrote, "The perfect butterfly thus represents the outcome of the process of occult discipleship symbolized by the sign Virgo."
What everyone didn't realize is that Dane wasn't inferring that the "process of occult discipleship" is begun and also completed by a process that is a mere 30 phases represented by the 30 degrees of the Sign of Virgo. All cycles of transformation are 360 phases in number.
The process of spiritual transformation begins with the 30th degree of Virgo and not the 1st degree and it proceeds through the other 359 in the opposite direction.
As the text Dane wrote for the 30th degree of Virgo will reveal when read reflectively [and recall that I am of just average aptitude as to reading comprehension] [ibid.]
"VIRGO 30°: TOTALLY INTENT UPON COMPLETING AN IMMEDIATE TASK, A MAN IS DEAF TO ANY ALLUREMENT.
KEYNOTE: The total concentration required for reaching any spiritual goal.
This is the final symbol of the first half of the cycle. In the year cycle the fall equinox is now at hand; autumn begins. Through spring and summer many ways and byways have been experienced. The last message of this hemicycle of 'Individualization' is that on all decisive occasions what must be done has to be done so intently that no outer voices can penetrate the mind, still less the soul. The neophyte stands at the gates of the sacred Pyramid. There is only one step he can take — ahead, or he is lost.
This is the culminating step, the decision that results from a myriad of small choices. Still a shadow of hesitation can remain. Attention may be distracted from the Now by a voice from the past, glamorizing some old memory. The outer doors of perception and thought must be closed, so the soul can complete its CONQUEST OF ILLUSION.
"...so the soul can complete its CONQUEST OF ILLUSION.", that is what the true path of any spiritual discipleship is all about, conquering the "illusion", the illusion which is called "Maya" in ancient Sanskrit.
Thus now educated perhaps you can "see', and understand why Libra is represented by the symbol of 'The Scales". It's not because it is the middle Sign in the process of true spiritual transformation and thus represent a balance between two halves of the Zodiac, for one additional and very obvious reason that you are then left with six Signs to one side and five for the other, no, it's because they represent the weighing of your Karma, i.e both your "good and bad deeds" at the end of life.
Now then, as to the Sabian Symbol for your ascendant, the "WHO" of your being, it symbolically represents all that the ascendant if defined to be as such applies to your self.
It is the hardest of the four axis points for me to understand as to exactly how one is to interpret. While the 1st degree of Libra is the ascendant of the man known as Yeshu'a/Jesus of Nazareth it can, and likely should, be interpreted to mean that He was born a "perfect specimen" of the human race...and Edgar Cayce even said so, himself as he explained that it has something to do with being born by a virgin who herself was born to a virgin and that only a woman so born herself can give virgin birth to a male child if in fact she is also the other half of the male childs' soul just as the Mother Miriam/Mary was in fact.... according to Edgar Cayce.
One of the greatest reasons I give all such credibility to the words of Edgar is because of the reason that he was so totally "spot on" as to have given the correct birth date for that of the man from Nazareth.
Yet the odds are that one out of every 360 people will have been born with an ascendant in the 1st degree of Libra and to my knowledge there hasn't been another so born as to be, or have been, as anything quite as like that man born a little over 2000 years ago and there have been, both present living and dead, between an estimated 48 billion and 62 billion people that have been born on earth from the year 1 A.D. [or C.E. for those that prefer] to the year 2015...and then you have to account for a 0.03382% increase each of the last three years, but lets just agree to the median of 55 billion for the sake of simplicity, shall we? Then adding 0.03382% a year for the last three years we get a figure of 55,055,821,875. Thus by dividing that number by 360 we get the figure of approximately 152,932,839 [adding 1 to each as for having to round up the decimal figures] people likely born in the last 2016 years with the 1st degree of Libra as their ascendant and not a single one to have had the same accounting as for what the Sabian Symbol for that degree meant to them as it did to the one whom is worshiped by approximately half the world's population at present. Yet everyone of them can, or could have had, that same symbol interpreted as to how it does, or how it did, apply, to themselves.
I have a good reason for having gone into such a detailed and lengthy explanation before I brought up the subject of the Sabian Symbol for your ascendant,
It is because I find it to be one of the most profound symbols of the 360 and that it also is the location of the Part of Service derived from the natal chart of Yeshu'a/Jesus [which is about "spiritual service" and not about slaves and servants as most astrologers will attempt to make you believe they are... although that might hold true for horary charts, but I don't do horary charts] and his Part of Bondage and the symbol given it by Dane himself, [as He was given permission by Marc Edmoond Jones him to change any that Dane saw fit that needed to be so as long as the precept behind th symbolism was not altered in any way.]
I'm going to have to quit for the night here as it has grown so late.
I apologize for not having added one single detail of analysis to the interpretation of your natal chart today but I will make double the effort to cover the four points of the chart axis before the day is through, tomorrow. I fell asleep here at the keyboard twice in the last ten minutes so I must call it "a day".
Until tomorrow then, ptv.