waybread
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Blackbery, please identify the poll that you cited saying that 70% of Americans don't think Black Lives Matter has improved race relations. I'd like to follow up by reading it. Most polls show that a majority of Americans actually support the larger aims of Black Lives Matter: as it says in the Pledge of Allegiance, "with liberty and justice for all."
I get that you feel deeply emotional about what is going on in the US today. Maybe we all should.
I just want to point out that the recent spate of Black Lives Matter protests occurred during the present Trump administration. They happened under Trump's watch.
There's no evidence that Trump knows how to do anything to improve ethnic tensions in the country except to teargas peaceful demonstrators exercising their First Amendment rights so that he could have a photo-op showing him holding up a Bible. Not that he is a practicing Christian.
He has threatened to send in the army to troubled cities, apparently not realizing that the states' National Guards are the ones who get called in an emergency.
There is a danger in making one bad episode or one small group of people stand in for larger events and movements that they actually do not adequately represent.
(fallacy of over-generalization.)
Most people who believe that Black Lives Matter are non-violent.
We've been over the Defund the Police slogan a few times by now. Just to repeat myself: it does not mean to abolish the police. It's about a more effective allocation of resources, not no resources for the police.
You are absolutely mistaken about Duckworth and her "dead traitors" line.
She wasn't talking about the presidents memorialized on Mount Rushmore. She was talking about Trump's speech at Mount Rushmore, which emphasized his concern to memorialize Confederate generals.
I've always thought that the Confederate generals were traitors to the Union. The states' rights that they wanted to uphold included slavery.
The Confederate monuments and school namings, &c were largely set up in the late 1800s/early 1990s by the Daughters of the Confederacy to honor Confederate war dead. And not coincidentally, to bolster their own status as white women.
I get that you feel deeply emotional about what is going on in the US today. Maybe we all should.
I just want to point out that the recent spate of Black Lives Matter protests occurred during the present Trump administration. They happened under Trump's watch.
There's no evidence that Trump knows how to do anything to improve ethnic tensions in the country except to teargas peaceful demonstrators exercising their First Amendment rights so that he could have a photo-op showing him holding up a Bible. Not that he is a practicing Christian.
He has threatened to send in the army to troubled cities, apparently not realizing that the states' National Guards are the ones who get called in an emergency.
There is a danger in making one bad episode or one small group of people stand in for larger events and movements that they actually do not adequately represent.
(fallacy of over-generalization.)
Most people who believe that Black Lives Matter are non-violent.
We've been over the Defund the Police slogan a few times by now. Just to repeat myself: it does not mean to abolish the police. It's about a more effective allocation of resources, not no resources for the police.
You are absolutely mistaken about Duckworth and her "dead traitors" line.
She wasn't talking about the presidents memorialized on Mount Rushmore. She was talking about Trump's speech at Mount Rushmore, which emphasized his concern to memorialize Confederate generals.
I've always thought that the Confederate generals were traitors to the Union. The states' rights that they wanted to uphold included slavery.
The Confederate monuments and school namings, &c were largely set up in the late 1800s/early 1990s by the Daughters of the Confederacy to honor Confederate war dead. And not coincidentally, to bolster their own status as white women.
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