Vedic vs. Western
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Moog
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Hi. I am really confused. I don't understand what's the difference between Vedic and Western astrology.
In Vedic, my Sun & Moon are different. North Node is located in a different house. Uranus, Neptune and Pluto doesn't even show in the chart.
Chiron, Part of Fortune or Juno is not there as well.
Thank you
Well you've listed some of the differences.
One major difference is that most followers of the Indian tradition construct charts with the sidereal zodiac, rather than the tropical zodiac.
It is also seems true that most jyotishis do not use the outer planets, though some do.
The answer depends on who you address the question to.
I find the Indian system is giving me excellent results. But maybe I was just reading all the wrong authors when I was studying modern western materials?
The only way to know which is better is to become utterly proficient in both (though there are a multitude of variant 'strains' that tend to get lumped under the broad umbrellas of 'Western' and 'Vedic'), and compare.
Moog
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Your Tropical chart says mid scorpio, so your Vedic chart should give a Libra rising. Check that you've used the correct time.
Slight variations in degree could be due to different ayanamshas in use.
For the majority of what I do, I don't worry about the exact degree much.
Unless you know how to read the navamsa chart, I wouldn't worry about it, and simply cast a sidereal chart through astro.com
The software Jaganattha Hora is free to download and very good.
Why do you want a Vedic chart? If it's for someone here to read, Vedic astrologers prefer raw data over charts.
Moog
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Yes, I've watched his videos too. There's some good stuff in there.
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In what ways do you relate to Scorpio?
Bina
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tammy,
from what i understand a vedic chart is looked at in a different way than a western chart, there is more emphasis on the strength of the planets and their relationship to each other.. looking at your vedic chart and then applying western interpretations of Asc, Sun and Moon signs to it may not make sense. Let someone with knowledge about the vedic system have a look, this may give you some ideas how to understand it.
from what i understand a vedic chart is looked at in a different way than a western chart, there is more emphasis on the strength of the planets and their relationship to each other.. looking at your vedic chart and then applying western interpretations of Asc, Sun and Moon signs to it may not make sense. Let someone with knowledge about the vedic system have a look, this may give you some ideas how to understand it.
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Moog
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We have to get beyond those general descriptions. We have to look at more specifics. We cannot say that all Libra rising people are the same. We have to look at what function every planet is fulfilling.
For example, looking sidereally, we'd find Venus in the 6th which I think of as the house of conflicts, to put it very simply. Which is an opposite thing to how people think about the Libra stereotype (they are so balanced and harmonious and love people etc.)
Sidereally, Saturn seems to be in the 5th, which has an impact on the social activity represented by the 5th, 11th and the 7th. I've noticed that people with Saturn 5 have problems in all those areas, especially during a Saturn dasha.
Moon in Cancer in the 10th, aspect from Rahu = highly emotional
I wasn't really interested in such things as the occult until my Rahu dasha kicked off. I really am a Scorpio rising, both tropically and sidereally.
Hope that helps somewhat.
Moog
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You're effectively asking us to do a birth time rectification.
Birth time rectification requires a lot of skill, a lot of time, and a lot of information about the person who belongs to the chart.
It is not something that can be done casually over an internet forum by people who have only a few lines of information about you to go on.
Birth time rectification requires a lot of skill, a lot of time, and a lot of information about the person who belongs to the chart.
It is not something that can be done casually over an internet forum by people who have only a few lines of information about you to go on.
Rajarshi
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You may compare astro.com & mykundali.com. Both of these should give same result.
Regards
anoop.indirapuramghazibad
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You can see your bhav Kundali and chalit Kundali.
You prepare your chart on 10th house cusp (Mid cusp based) and Ascendant cusp based chart, that will be western astrology chart.
Western chart is based on cusp basis, which is like Chalit, and Vedic has full sign based (0-30 degree).
You prepare your chart on 10th house cusp (Mid cusp based) and Ascendant cusp based chart, that will be western astrology chart.
Western chart is based on cusp basis, which is like Chalit, and Vedic has full sign based (0-30 degree).
Rajarshi
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rajat-astrologer
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Dear tammyt,Hi. I am really confused. I don't understand what's the difference between Vedic and Western astrology.
In Vedic, my Sun & Moon are different. North Node is located in a different house. Uranus, Neptune and Pluto doesn't even show in the chart.
Chiron, Part of Fortune or Juno is not there as well.
Which one is more accurate? Vedic or Western?
Thank you
Namaste
There is one huge misconception about astrology and that is that predictions are to be made through astrology. I have seen lots of people adjudging the astrologers on the basis of their accuracy in predicting events but trust me more or less no one is competent to predict the events. People talk of 90-100% accuracy. I clearly bet that one can't even have 60% accuracy. Also astrology is a tool to understand your karma and act according to that.
Let's take an example:
As per my birth chart (Vedic Astrology), I am Pisces Ascendant with Venus in Lagna (exalted), Jupiter+Sun+Ketu+Mercury in 2nd house. Now my 10th lord is Jupiter and is in conjunction with Sun (exalted), Mercury (gets exalted in Navamsa) and Ketu. This is all in all a very nice combination for Jyotish as career. But i choose the line of finance (Jupiter indicates finance too). Completed my Chartered Financial Analyst Degree and worked with DSP Blackrock. That time certain conspiracies happened against me by relatives (Mercury - Relatives - Badhaka).
When i entered into astrology as my career everything is going awesome!!
So what i wanted to explain is that look in your chart whether you can excel into Western or Vedic or Jaimini or Naadi and then choose ur area of working into astro.
rajat-astrologer
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Most important is to understand the principles. You can't have generalised approach on any planet.Hi. I am really confused. I don't understand what's the difference between Vedic and Western astrology.
In Vedic, my Sun & Moon are different. North Node is located in a different house. Uranus, Neptune and Pluto doesn't even show in the chart.
Chiron, Part of Fortune or Juno is not there as well.
Which one is more accurate? Vedic or Western?
Thank you
Like there is a huge misconception that an exalted planet is very good. But thats the worst phenomena we all have about planets. Think once how the planet got exalted. Exalted planet means the planet possess more energy. How the planet will have extra energy than other planets. The answer is it will take some specific houses.
Like If Jupiter is exalted in Cancer it takes energy from Aquarius. So whenever Jupiter is exalted in chart, Aquarius will have no strength. Now according to which house is ruled by Aquarius, the area of life will be destroyed.
For example, if Leo ascendant has Jupiter exalted, marriage or 7th house is going to be a major setback in the life of the native. Either person will not get married or have a terrible married life. Like this it is for every planet.
I am teaching all this in my course
http://www.varahamihirajyotishcourse.com
rajat-astrologer
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Dear Tammyt,
Namaste,
Before i answer this question, can you tell what you understand with the term "planet in exaltation"?
rajat-astrologer
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Dear Tammy,
Namaste,
Yes extra strength or if we get more precise it is that the exalted planet has extra energy to perform. Now the point is if one planet is getting extra energy, from where he is taking that energy?
Answer to that is the 8th house from the sign where it is exalted. So Jupiter gets exalted in Cancer. 8th sign from Cancer is Aquarius. Hence Aquarius is the sign from which Jupiter takes energy if exalted.
This can be implemented for other planets too:
Venus if exalted weakens/destroys Libra (8th house from Pisces).
Mercury if exalted weakens Aries.
Sun if exalted weakens Scorpio.
Same way when a planet is debilitated it transfers the energy to 8th house from that sign.
Like Jupiter if debilitated will strengthen Leo.
I am running a course on Vedic Astrology which is as following:
http://www.varahamihirajyotishcourse.com
I will be teaching many such principles and theories which are normally unknown to the astrology fraternity.
rajat ...
this is excellent ....i have a question ...
what if the exalated planet is retro as well?
rgds
rajat-astrologer
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Dear Preeshu,
Namaste
Treat exalted retrograde planet as debilitated and debilitated retrograde planet as exalted and apply the principle.
Namaste
Treat exalted retrograde planet as debilitated and debilitated retrograde planet as exalted and apply the principle.
rajat-astrologer
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Dear Beginner,
Astrology is not about prediction. Its a tool to cleanse your karma and help other to cleanse their karma.
Astrology is not about prediction. Its a tool to cleanse your karma and help other to cleanse their karma.
Moog
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Do you mean that the matters of the house are weakened? Does it affect the ruler?
It's an interesting idea.
I have Mercury exalted and Venus debilitated in Virgo. Would you say then that the energy loss was balanced or cancelled out?