I don't understand ascendant "thing"

deepminde said:

Hello,

I'm Scorpio sun, Virgo moon and Sagittarius asc.

I understand that asc. shows how people you don't know see you but I don't get it.
People don't see me as optimistic, adventures person.
I think they see me as Virgo and Scorpio mix, shy, pessimistic, unsatisfied, vulnerable "thing".
And they often ask me, why are you so shy? well they used to...
Why I don't act like sag asc?
Why people don't see me as sag?

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That's because the Rising Sign/1st House main rulerships are as follows


Life, vitality and health.
Stature, colour, complexion, form and shape of body.
Older sources note its influence upon the intellect, the way the mind works, and speech.
In general, the first house represents the focal point for the personality and manner of expression.
As well as describing the physical appearance,
the condition of this house and that of its planetary ruler
indicates the level of personal vitality and strength

deepminde said:

So what do you mean?
That I have appearance and mind of Sagittarius?
And I do understand that not all Sagittarius ascendant have an identical persona.

Don't be offended but I often read your posts and you are never direct to the point.

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deepminde said:

Hello,

I'm Scorpio sun, Virgo moon and Sagittarius asc.

I understand that asc. shows how people you don't know see you but I don't get it. People don't see me as optimistic, adventures, friendly, easy person. I think they see me as Virgo and Scorpio mix, shy, pessimistic, unsatisfied, vulnerable "thing". And they often ask me, why are you so shy? well they used to... Why I don't act like sag asc? Why people don't see me as sag?

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deepminde said:

Hello,

I'm Scorpio sun, Virgo moon and Sagittarius asc.

I understand that asc. shows how people you don't know see you but I don't get it. People don't see me as optimistic, adventures, friendly, easy person. I think they see me as Virgo and Scorpio mix, shy, pessimistic, unsatisfied, vulnerable "thing". And they often ask me, why are you so shy? well they used to... Why I don't act like sag asc? Why people don't see me as sag?

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deepminde said:

So what do you mean? That I have appearance and mind of Sagittarius? And I do understand that not all Sagittarius ascendant have an identical persona.

Don't be offended but I often read your posts and you are never direct to the point.

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muchacho said:

She is saying that just looking at the rising sign isn't enough,
you have to also take the ruler of the rising sign and its placement into account.
And the ruler of your rising sign is Jupiter which is located in your 8th House.

A Sagittarius rising with its ruler in the 8th will show a different attitude/persona than
let's say a Sagittarius rising with its ruler in the 5th.

So there are many types of Sagittarius rising people.

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Exactly - generalising and expecting "all Sagittarius rising people" to have same attitude/persona
is clearly an unreliable "method"
as evidenced by the fact that the OP is puzzled by "not being seen as adventurous and optimistic"

Bunraku said:

I guess JA wants you to figure it out yourself and gives you the resources to do so.

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because members wish to practice skills

and
many of us members have little or no astrological knowledge
so it's the luck of the draw regarding readings
we're all practicing and so offering our readings for free

- no member has time to post complete professional readings
these are costly
because
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unlike "one-size-fits-all-astrology" aka "cookbook" astrology
consisting of computer software generated "readings"

basically
new members gain info on how to practice reading their own charts
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Bunraku said:

Here is what I'm getting from him:

*Sag ruler, asc, is Jupiter , in 8th and in terms of Saturn and in decanate of Jupiter

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Bunraku said:

*Mercury conjunct the ASC

*Mercury and Asc in Jupiter's terms and his own decanate.

This isnt horary and I don't know any trad techniques using the first house so, JupiterAsc, explain !!

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Bunraku said:

So what's the final dispositor in this chart ?
Saturn is in her own house.
It seems to loop from to Mercury and Mars .

Please correct me if I'm wrong lol.

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Omnisphericus said:

Almutem Figuris is an old doctrine
where one planet
according to certain calculations applied,
receives the honors to be the Ruler
or
Lord of the Chart.


Robert Zoler had applied the therm AlmuteM instead of AlmuteN in order to differentiate the Lord of the Chart from the Lord of certain house or place in the natal chart such as Almuten Domus (Ruler of a House).

The word Almutes is an Arabian word which means 'Winner'.
Because, the planet is the Winner of all the 'life giving' places. Or the places which are most sensible and important in the natal figure.

The method which we'll use here I call Ezra/Zoller method.
Arabian Astrologer Ibn Ezra (1089 — 1164) was the first (as far as we at this moment are aware) to explicitely wrote about calculating the Almutem Figuris.

In his writings Zoller trace the beginnings of this Almutem Figuris and he found it in the writings of Iambichus (c. 245–c. 325) who was Syrian neo-platonic philosopher who wrote also about Astrology in his writings.
Iambicus in his work "Theurgy or on the mysteries of Egypt" speaks about the thing how one can change his fate. He speaks that he can do that through Theurgy and through personal relationship with the Lord of the Geniture of which he (Iambichus) only says that can be known through Astrology, but he didn't explained the method.
Zoller, tracing back the Ibn Ezra's ancestry, through the Sabaeans and his teachers (Mashallah and other) all the way to the first centuries where this doctrine was thought. Because of that line Zoller thinks that the Lord of the Geniture of which Iambichus speaks in his writings is in fact the Almutem Figuris of the Ibn Ezra.

Iambichus speaks (through the name of Porphyry) about the Peculiar Daimon, that is some kind of an Guardian Angel and it is conected to the personal soul but its not the same
Here's what Iambichus says in his Theurgy:
This [daimon] therefore is present as an exemplar before the souls descend into the realm of generated existence. As soon as the soul chooses him for leader the [daimon] immediately comes into charge of completing of its vital endowments and when it descends into the body it unites with the body and becomes the guardian of it common living principle. He likewise directs the the private life of the soul and
whatever the conclusions we may arrive at by inference and reasoning he himself imparts to us the principles."

Zoller about the Almutem Figuris says that it is equally as powerful as all the other planets taken together."

Benjamin Dykes (great student of Zoller) says about Almutem Figuris:
"Almutem Figuris, a powerful planet in the natal figure whose spirit or angel acts as the native's special link to the Divine. The Almutem Figuris is a spiritual astrological delineation, similar to but not the same as Lilly's the "Lord of the Geniture." But like Lilly (and Plato), the Almutem Figuris was taken to affect the native's thoughts, beliefs and character. Spiritual enlightenment can demand that we open our eyes to this particular planet and use it to access the Divine. Significantly, this is a function that many modern astrologers now attribute to the sun sign." (In his article on Happiness).

The method of calculation

1. Find the Essential Dignities (the 5 dignities, apply 3 points to all 3 triplicity rulers), in the Degree of the:
- Sun
- Moon
- Ascendant
- Part of Fortune
- Syzygy (the prenatal lunation, the one that came last, i.e. after which the birth follows - New or Full Moon).

2. Add 7 points for the Day ruler and 6 points to the Hour ruler.

3. Add accidental dignities scores.

For the planet in 1st house you add 12 points.
10th house = 11 points
7th house = 10
4th house = 9
11th = 8
5th = 7
2nd = 6
9th = 5
8th = 4
3rd = 3
12th = 2
6th = 1

The planet which has most points in the aforesaid places is the Almutem Figuris of the chart!

Don't forget to apply the 5 degrees ruler for the planet near the cusp of the houses. For example, if Saturn is at 15 Scorpio in 4th, but the 5th house cusp is at 19 Scorpio, you will calculate that Saturn already in the 5th, and you will give him 7 points instead of 9 as he would took if he was in 4th house. This can make big difference.

The free traditional astrology software - Morinus (google it), calcualte the Almutem Figuris. You can find this option by typing F3. But I should warn you that in that calculation is included some adding of points according to the planets phases. Zoller did not mention any kind of phases calculation so at this moment I'm not aware why the author of the software did included that.

But the best way and more enjoyable is to calculate it with your own hand. You will be familiar with the chart more deeply if you do this calculations with your own hand as the older astrologers did.
And if you must use the Morinus software than subtract the phases scores and you will get the Almutem Figuris right. All else is the same calculation as the Ezra/Zoller method.

Zoller gives short discriptions for every planet being Almutem Figuris:

Sun:
"If the Almuten figuris is the Sun, the native will want to lead, express his creative power and be recognized."

Moon:
"If the Moon, s/he will want to care for, be cared for, eat and make love, dream"

Mercury:
"If it is Mercury, s/he will be diligent in the sciences, business and communications"

Venus:
"Id it is Venus s/he will be a lover of beauty, of music, of men and women etc."

Mars:
"If it is Mars, s/he will fight in order to dominate"

Jupiter:
"If it is Jupiter, s/he will philosophize and teach"

Saturn:
"If it is Saturn he will retire from society, investigate hidden things and suffer adversity.""

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