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Anything you are comfortable with.

But first, and also if you could clear my head about the question I made in my earlier post, Dr Farr:see quote below


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Dear Rishi,

I am essentially a very visual person, as you perhaps know. In seeing an example or rather processing the words in an example, my brain learns better and more! :-)

Visual-Logic, if you want to call it, but I think that is a trademark of some company and I would shy away from using that! <LOL>

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But first, and also if you could clear my head about the question I made in my earlier post, Dr Farr:see quote below


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I believe I gave answers and an explanation to your question in my post in this thread dated 5/01/14.
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Basically we could try to simplify and say the following:
-in determining if a planet will express benefic or malefic trends PER SE, higher sarva bindus = benefic trends (regardless of the natural tendency of the planet) and lower sarva bindus = malefic trends (regardless of the natural tendency of the planet)
-in determinig relative strength/weakness of various processes being used in making certain specific delineations, higher sarva bindu totals = stronger (whether for good or ill) and lower sarva bindu totals = weaker (whether for good or ill)
Example: in the process of determining if the House of Life (ascendant, lagna, 1st house) tends to be stronger than houses potentially challenging to the House of Life (ie, the 8th house and the 12th house), one compares the total sarva bindu count of the 3 houses considered in this particular delineative process: if the lagna has higher sarva bindu totals than either the 8th or the 12th house have, then-within the context of this special particular delineative process-we would say that the House of Life is stronger than its challengers (8th house and 12th)-or, vice versa if the 8th house and 12th house hold higher sarva bindu totals than the lagna: but say that all of these houses each have over 30 bindus, eg:
Lagna 34 bindus
8th 31 bindus
12th 32 bindus
None of these houses is "weak" (having a low bindu count), none is "afflicted" (since they all have more than 30 bindus), none are "malefic", because they all have high bindu totals: so hopefully you can see that, in practically applying ashtakavarga evaluations, we must ALWAYS make our determinations within the CONTEXT of what we are specially looking into, in making such an application.

Ashtakavarga is an advanced evaluative technique-reference to the explanatory literature elaborating this ancient methodology, is strongly advised (the Aditya books mentioned in this thread; also Patel's book on Ashtakavarga, are suggested)
Thank you Dr. Farr,

I am still a bit confused

Do higher sarvabindus increase strength or beneficence?

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Re: Functional benefic or natural malefic!

I noticed that the maraca (killer) houses (2nd and 7th, the negation or loss-houses for longevity) have not been considered. Why, if I may ask...?

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Thank you Dr. Farr,

I am still a bit confused

Do higher sarvabindus increase strength or beneficence?

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Higher sarva bindus make the expression of the qualities of a planet into a functional benefic, lower sarva bindus make the expression of the qualities a planet into a functional malefic.

Strength/weakness however is a GENERAL matter, and depending upon the CONTEXTwe are looking at, stronger MIGHT mean "worse" and weaker MIGHT mean "better"; always keeping this in mind, then, I will state that higher sarva bindus means "stronger" and lower sarva bindus mean "weaker".
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I noticed that the maraca (killer) houses (2nd and 7th, the negation or loss-houses for longevity) have not been considered. Why, if I may ask...?

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Because in the earlier discussions on this thread we were considering only the planets indicated as potential marakas (as deriving from considerations of the 2nd and 7th houses)

In sarvashtakavarga analysis for estimating likely maraka planets:
1st: between the 2nd and 7th houses, find the house with the higher sarva bindu total
2nd: any planet(s) in that house would next be considered
3rd: if no planets are in that house, then the lord of that sign (on that house) would be considered
4th: if planets in (or lord of the sign of) the first selected house are eliminated from consideration, then
5th: the same sequence of evaluation would then be applied to the house (2nd or 7th) which had the lower number of sarva bindus (between them)
6th: finally, if all planets connected with the 2nd and 7th houses have been eliminated from consideration, then whatever planet HAVING THE LOWEST SARVA BINDU COUNT AMONG ALL PLANETS IN THE WHOLE CHART, would be indicated as the maraka planet.
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Re: Functional benefic or natural malefic!

An illustrative example from my own chart:
-what is the (likely) maraka planet in Dr. Farr's chart?
-2nd house (Libra) has 23 sarva bindus
-no (traditional) planet is in the 2nd house
-7th house (Pisces) has 29 sarva bindus
-Moon and Jupiter are both in Pisces
Method:
-since the 7th house has more sarva bindus than the 2nd house, we start with considering the 7th house
-since the 7th house has planets in it (Moon, Jupiter) we first examine them
-the total sarva bindu average for Jupiter is: 29 (placement in Pisces) + 29 (lord of 7th house Pisces) + 29 (as lord of 4th house Sagittarius which has 29 sarva bindus) so 29+29+29 = 87, divided by 3 factors = 29 total sarva bindu average for Jupiter
-the Moon is also in 7th house Pisces: the total sarva bindu average for the Moon is: 29 (placement in Pisces) + 36 (Moon as lord of Cancer which has 36 sarva bindus), so 29+36 = 65, divided by 2 factors (and fraction rounded off to the next higher sarva bindu number) = 33 total sarva bindu total average for Moon.
-Now, since the 7th house has higher bindus than the 2nd house, we look first for totals of any planets IN the 7th house; we find Jupiter and Moon there; we therefore must compare which has a higher total sarva bindu average between Jupiter and the Moon; Moon has a higher total sarva bindu average than Jupiter...
THEREFORE...
The Moon is the indicated maraka planet in Dr. Farr's chart (by this methodology)
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An illustrative example from my own chart:
-what is the (likely) maraka planet in Dr. Farr's chart?
-2nd house (Libra) has 23 sarva bindus
-no (traditional) planet is in the 2nd house
-7th house (Pisces) has 29 sarva bindus
-Moon and Jupiter are both in Pisces
Method:
-since the 7th house has more sarva bindus than the 2nd house, we start with considering the 7th house
-since the 7th house has planets in it (Moon, Jupiter) we first examine them
-the total sarva bindu average for Jupiter is: 29 (placement in Pisces) + 29 (lord of 7th house Pisces) + 29 (as lord of 4th house Sagittarius which has 29 sarva bindus) so 29+29+29 = 87, divided by 3 factors = 29 total sarva bindu average for Jupiter
-the Moon is also in 7th house Pisces: the total sarva bindu average for the Moon is: 29 (placement in Pisces) + 36 (Moon as lord of Cancer which has 36 sarva bindus), so 29+36 = 65, divided by 2 factors (and fraction rounded off to the next higher sarva bindu number) = 33 total sarva bindu total average for Moon.
-Now, since the 7th house has higher bindus than the 2nd house, we look first for totals of any planets IN the 7th house; we find Jupiter and Moon there; we therefore must compare which has a higher total sarva bindu average between Jupiter and the Moon; Moon has a higher total sarva bindu average than Jupiter...
THEREFORE...
The Moon is the indicated maraka planet in Dr. Farr's chart (by this methodology)
May Richard my recently-discovered, wonderful astro-acquaintance be Shat-Ayu! :-) While longevity determination does come up as a significant milestone and curiosity on jyotish fora and the 'gimme a reading' strategies, this is not a reading request or even a veiled reading request from someone, we all have seen and who (like many earlier?) seeking a personal reading and prolonging the BYTEs under the guise of being someone who is an enthusiastic beginner or truly serious or sincere about learning astrology...! I do hope, our moderators here, as OTHERS elsewhere have, SEPARATE these folks and segregate them to a sub-forum as has been done elsewhere...?

This person is already dead, and the birthdata is of good quality since it was recorded by a grandfather with an astrological interest and a caliberated pocket watch, outside the prasuti room, his ear to the door to catch the first moment of cry (independent respiration?)!

24 August 1941
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How, would you pinpoint through AV his killer?

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Re: Functional benefic or natural malefic!

According to (my understanding of) mainstream jyotish theory, the maraka planet can become "activated" (ie, "kills") under a combination of circumstances involving both transit and current dasha/antardasha indications, involving that planet.
While I have given details above about AK vis-a-vis mainstream maraka doctrine, I myself give little importance to the entire maraka doctrine, prefering instead an eclectic combination of other considerations (taken both from jyotish and Western astrology) for determining potential "critical period" indications and trends (ie, for "maraka" considerations)
But I will make a sarva bindu analysis of the above-listed chart and then see-according to the maraka method I have outlined in earlier posts to this thread-which planet would be the maraka, according to AK applied to the mainstream method for determining this.
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Re: Functional benefic or natural malefic!

Quick look at the reference chart (in tropical and whole sign house): 2nd house is Scorpio, no planets in it; 7th house is Aries, one planet, Mars, in it: thus Mars is:

a) lord of 2nd house
and
b) posited in 7th house
and
c) lord of 7th house

...so "without further ado", Mars is elected as the maraka planet in the reference chart (here, because of the mechanics of the maraka-selecting method involved, AK analysis is not needed to elect the maraka planet, according to the maraka determining method I have been outlining in this thread)
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Because in the earlier discussions on this thread we were considering only the planets indicated as potential marakas (as deriving from considerations of the 2nd and 7th houses)

In sarvashtakavarga analysis for estimating likely maraka planets:
1st: between the 2nd and 7th houses, find the house with the higher sarva bindu total
2nd: any planet(s) in that house would next be considered
3rd: if no planets are in that house, then the lord of that sign (on that house) would be considered
4th: if planets in (or lord of the sign of) the first selected house are eliminated from consideration, then
5th: the same sequence of evaluation would then be applied to the house (2nd or 7th) which had the lower number of sarva bindus (between them)
6th: finally, if all planets connected with the 2nd and 7th houses have been eliminated from consideration, then whatever planet HAVING THE LOWEST SARVA BINDU COUNT AMONG ALL PLANETS IN THE WHOLE CHART, would be indicated as the maraka planet.

Dr Farr,

Please see the quotes highlighted by me in bold.

I am trying to understand you:
Why is it that while choosing between 2nd. & 7th. house for maraka, we choose for higher SAV (first quote highlighted); but then we look for lower SAV also(second quote highlighted)?

Also should we use zero ayanamsa here?

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Re: Functional benefic or natural malefic!

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Quick look at the reference chart (in tropical and whole sign house): 2nd house is Scorpio, no planets in it; 7th house is Aries, one planet, Mars, in it: thus Mars is:

a) lord of 2nd house
and
b) posited in 7th house
and
c) lord of 7th house

...so "without further ado", Mars is elected as the maraka planet in the reference chart (here, because of the mechanics of the maraka-selecting method involved, AK analysis is not needed to elect the maraka planet, according to the maraka determining method I have been outlining in this thread)
Thanks Sir. So, even though this is an academic/heuristic exercise, would you share how one should attempt the timing? Just a list of techniques you would typically use, such as dashas or some other kinds of techniques? I would not like to have you spend the time in calculations etc as that would not be a reasonable demand on your time.

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Thanks Sir. So, even though this is an academic/heuristic exercise, would you share how one should attempt the timing? Just a list of techniques you would typically use, such as dashas or some other kinds of techniques?

Rohiniranjan

Examples of potential critical periods (based on Mars being maraka):
-Mars mahadasha+Mars antar+Mars sub sub
-also Mars antar+Mars sub sub during any weak planet's mahadasha
-also Mars transit conjunction the Bhrigu Bindu point, while a Mars maha or a Mars antar or even a Mars sub sub, is operative
-also Mars transit a low (below 25) sarva bindu sign in the D1, while a Mars maha or a Mars antar or a Mars sub sub, is running
-also Mars transiting a sign which in the D30 chart has (in that chart) the highest sarva bindu total, while a Mars maha or a Mars antar or a Mars sub sub, is running
-also Mars becoming the lord of the year in any Varshaphala year (regardless of whether a Mars maha, antar or sub sub is running during that year)
-also Mars transiting a sign in the BAV table of the lord of the ascendant of the D1, which has 3 or fewer BAV bindus, especially so if a Mars maha or antar or sub sub is runing at the same time

...are a few examples which come to mind.
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Dr Farr,

Please see the quotes highlighted by me in bold.

I am trying to understand you:
Why is it that while choosing between 2nd. & 7th. house for maraka, we choose for higher SAV (first quote highlighted)

ANSWER: BECAUSE WE ARE IN THIS PROCESS LOOKING FOR HOUSE POWER (STRENGTH), EVEN THOUGH THE CONTEXT OF THIS (SEARCH FOR MARAKA) IS "MALEFIC" (WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE LIKELIEST "KILLING PLANET")
SO WE WANT TO FIND THE STRONGEST (HIGHEST SARVA BINDU) HOUSE AND THE STRONGEST PLANET AMONG THE MARAKA CANDIDATES, BECAUSE HERE WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING BENEFIC VS MALEFIC BUT RATHER STRENGTH ONLY



; but then we look for lower SAV also(second quote highlighted)?

ANSWER: WE COME TO THIS POINT IF AND ONLY IF WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE STRENGTH/WEAKNESS BASED MARAKA SELECTION PROCESS AND ALL POTENTIAL CHOICES HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED: IF THIS (RARE OCCURENCE) HAPPENS, THEN ESSENTIALLY WE ABANDON THE MARAKA SELECTION PROCESS, WHICH IS BASED ONLY ON STRENGTH VS WEAKNESS, AND FALL BACK UPON DETERMINATION OF WHETHER A PLANET IS A FUNCTIONAL BENEFIC OR A FUNCTIONAL MALEFIC-STRONG OR WEAK NOW HAS NO BEARING: SO WE LOOK FOR THE MOST FUNCTIONALLY MALEFIC PLANET IN THE CHART, WHICH (ON THE CRITERION OF BENEFIC VS MALEFIC RATHER THAN STRONG VS WEAK) IS THE PLANET WITH THE LOWEST SARVA BINDU TOTAL: AND SO, THIS BECOMES THE SELECTED MARAKA PLANET.

SO REMEMBER, IN ASHTAKAVARGA ANALYSES OF VARIOUS APPLICATIONS, WE HAVE 2 VIEWPOINTS WHICH ARE NOT THE SAME: ONE VIEWPOINT IS CONCERNED WITH INDICATIONS OF BENEFIC/MALEFIC AS TO QUALITY; THE OTHER VIEWPOINT IS CONCERNED WITH INDICATIONS OF STRENGTH VS WEAKNESS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A CERTAIN PROCESS WE ARE APPLYING FOR EVALUATION.

Also should we use zero ayanamsa here?

ANSWER: THAT IS UP TO EACH PERSON'S OPINION REGARDING WHETHER TO USE TROPICAL OR SIDEREAL AS THE BASIC ZODIACAL MATRIX; I'LL MENTION THAT ALL OF THE BOOKS ABOUT ASHTAKAVARGA, ARE FROM JYOTISH PRACTITIONERS USING THE SIDEREAL ZODIAC.

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Since any planet posited in a house having high sarva bindus (say 35) is a benefic, so nodes in such houses also become benefic. Can it now be said that they are not afflicting the house they are placed in as also the houses they aspect?

Going on the assumption that rahu is benefic for a native, I looked for its positive karakattawas (since a benefic planet gives good results which must come from positive action or a benefic planet gives good results irrespective of nature of action?), I found strength, research, dignity as the only karakas that I would consider positive.. So as a benefic, Rahu must supply strength (to what, will be determined by other factors present in the chart)..Am I going right?

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Dr Farr,

Please see the quotes highlighted by me in bold.

I am trying to understand you:
Why is it that while choosing between 2nd. & 7th. house for maraka, we choose for higher SAV (first quote highlighted)

ANSWER: BECAUSE WE ARE IN THIS PROCESS LOOKING FOR HOUSE POWER (STRENGTH), EVEN THOUGH THE CONTEXT OF THIS (SEARCH FOR MARAKA) IS "MALEFIC" (WE'RE LOOKING FOR THE LIKELIEST "KILLING PLANET")
SO WE WANT TO FIND THE STRONGEST (HIGHEST SARVA BINDU) HOUSE AND THE STRONGEST PLANET AMONG THE MARAKA CANDIDATES, BECAUSE HERE WE ARE NOT CONSIDERING BENEFIC VS MALEFIC BUT RATHER STRENGTH ONLY



; but then we look for lower SAV also(second quote highlighted)?

ANSWER: WE COME TO THIS POINT IF AND ONLY IF WE HAVE GONE THROUGH THE STRENGTH/WEAKNESS BASED MARAKA SELECTION PROCESS AND ALL POTENTIAL CHOICES HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED: IF THIS (RARE OCCURENCE) HAPPENS, THEN ESSENTIALLY WE ABANDON THE MARAKA SELECTION PROCESS, WHICH IS BASED ONLY ON STRENGTH VS WEAKNESS, AND FALL BACK UPON DETERMINATION OF WHETHER A PLANET IS A FUNCTIONAL BENEFIC OR A FUNCTIONAL MALEFIC-STRONG OR WEAK NOW HAS NO BEARING: SO WE LOOK FOR THE MOST FUNCTIONALLY MALEFIC PLANET IN THE CHART, WHICH (ON THE CRITERION OF BENEFIC VS MALEFIC RATHER THAN STRONG VS WEAK) IS THE PLANET WITH THE LOWEST SARVA BINDU TOTAL: AND SO, THIS BECOMES THE SELECTED MARAKA PLANET.

SO REMEMBER, IN ASHTAKAVARGA ANALYSES OF VARIOUS APPLICATIONS, WE HAVE 2 VIEWPOINTS WHICH ARE NOT THE SAME: ONE VIEWPOINT IS CONCERNED WITH INDICATIONS OF BENEFIC/MALEFIC AS TO QUALITY; THE OTHER VIEWPOINT IS CONCERNED WITH INDICATIONS OF STRENGTH VS WEAKNESS WITHIN THE CONTEXT OF A CERTAIN PROCESS WE ARE APPLYING FOR EVALUATION.

Also should we use zero ayanamsa here?

ANSWER: THAT IS UP TO EACH PERSON'S OPINION REGARDING WHETHER TO USE TROPICAL OR SIDEREAL AS THE BASIC ZODIACAL MATRIX; I'LL MENTION THAT ALL OF THE BOOKS ABOUT ASHTAKAVARGA, ARE FROM JYOTISH PRACTITIONERS USING THE SIDEREAL ZODIAC.

RishiRahul


Dr. Farr,

This is what I supposed; that there are two VIEWPOINTS.

One viewpoint has to be correct. How can both viewpoints be correct? In your experience.

More bindus/rekhas can either add to benefic strength or malefic strength logically; I doubt if it can add BOTH.

Bindus/rekhas in ashtavarga are ' positive beams' (this is also mentioned in page 3 of the ashtakvarga system of prediction by Dr B.V. Raman; also refer BPHS)........ viewpoint of Dr. B.V,Raman & BPHS.

More bindus/rekhas add to the positive strength of a house; this is my experience too that more beams add to beneficity/auspiciousness.

What is your experience (not viewpoint)?

Thanks,

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If I may add my two cents...! Not just ashtakavarga but in other areas/considerations in jyotish we see these two, namely the qualitative (ben/mal) and the quantitative (strong/weak). I prefer to call them as co-existing dimensions (of planets and the rest of the 9 yards) and not as two mutually-exclusive facets. They have implications in jyotish delineations (and predictions) and also in the fascinating application known as remedial astrology. For instance, an exalted planet is seen by many as more quantitative (strong) but by others as more qualitative (benefic), and similarly the pakshabala of moon. Is a amavasya moon more quantitative (weak) or is it more qualitative (malefic)? Both phasic attributes, pretty much similar to the sthanbala and other phasic attributes used in shadbala (strength estimations).

If we carry out a poll, the jury seems to be out (uhapoha?) so individuals have to go with what they have and make the most of it. The nativities will not wait patiently for the Jury to return and the final verdict pronounced. This, then, leads to viewpoints, of individual astrologers, which may be differing (Munde munde mati bhinna). I think all of these must be respected, even if sounding logically implausible. I wish the Jury (whoever or wherever it is...) returns before the cows come home...! :-P

Makes for great and stimulating conversation, though...!

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If I may add my two cents...! Not just ashtakavarga but in other areas/considerations in jyotish we see these two, namely the qualitative (ben/mal) and the quantitative (strong/weak). I prefer to call them as co-existing dimensions (of planets and the rest of the 9 yards) and not as two mutually-exclusive facets. They have implications in jyotish delineations (and predictions) and also in the fascinating application known as remedial astrology. For instance, an exalted planet is seen by many as more quantitative (strong) but by others as more qualitative (benefic), and similarly the pakshabala of moon. Is a amavasya moon more quantitative (weak) or is it more qualitative (malefic)? Both phasic attributes, pretty much similar to the sthanbala and other phasic attributes used in shadbala (strength estimations).

If we carry out a poll, the jury seems to be out (uhapoha?) so individuals have to go with what they have and make the most of it. The nativities will not wait patiently for the Jury to return and the final verdict pronounced. This, then, leads to viewpoints, of individual astrologers, which may be differing (Munde munde mati bhinna). I think all of these must be respected, even if sounding logically implausible. I wish the Jury (whoever or wherever it is...) returns before the cows come home...! :-P

Makes for great and stimulating conversation, though...!

Regards,

Rohiniranjan

Rohiniranjanji,

Yes, they do co exist!

Pakshabala is a strength of beneficence of moon; while exaltation of moon would be more of quality beneficence.

Such ben mal & strong weak is similar in other areas of Jyotish, or even Western astrology.

Using them rightly is the key to predictive astrology too.

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Rohiniranjanji,

Yes, they do co exist!

Pakshabala is a strength of beneficence of moon; while exaltation of moon would be more of quality beneficence.

Such ben mal & strong weak is similar in other areas of Jyotish, or even Western astrology.

Using them rightly is the key to predictive astrology too.

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Rishi bhaiyaa,

What if we find that though moon has pakshabala (quantitative strength) and perhaps also high in exaltation bala but weak on overall shadbala? The similar situation when a planet is not exalted but strong in shadbala!

The interesting consideration also when seeing shadbala in closer view (Devil always being in details, as they say!), exaltation is counted as a factor in shadbal which is essentially quantitative, but only in kshetra varga, not the others. Then we have the states or avasthas which when looked closer work in a seemingly inharmonious way from exaltation etc, for instance a maximally exalted moon will be 'DEAD' in avastha (Baladi consideration) but AWAKE (in shayanadi consideration)...! (?)

And, if we look at BPHS, Parashara seems to indicate that exalted (max.) planets are benefic and strong (Qualitative & Quantitative...!), "Svochhay Shubham Balam Poornay... etc)...! :-)

Now I know that many perhaps do not even use these, particularly beginners, let alone ashtakavarga, but in Jyotish, it seems SINGLETs are not the wise way to proceed? Jyotish being multifactorial...! ;-)

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Addendum [Disclaimer] -- Just so there is no misinterpretation or misunderstanding, I am not a teacher and certainly NOT trying to teach anyone Jyotish fundamentals or anything like that or advice others to begin to look at jyotish considerations a bit more critically, and less with simplistic FAITH! And, hopefully, sincere honesty.
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Examples of potential critical periods (based on Mars being maraka):
-Mars mahadasha+Mars antar+Mars sub sub
-also Mars antar+Mars sub sub during any weak planet's mahadasha
-also Mars transit conjunction the Bhrigu Bindu point, while a Mars maha or a Mars antar or even a Mars sub sub, is operative
-also Mars transit a low (below 25) sarva bindu sign in the D1, while a Mars maha or a Mars antar or a Mars sub sub, is running
-also Mars transiting a sign which in the D30 chart has (in that chart) the highest sarva bindu total, while a Mars maha or a Mars antar or a Mars sub sub, is running
-also Mars becoming the lord of the year in any Varshaphala year (regardless of whether a Mars maha, antar or sub sub is running during that year)
-also Mars transiting a sign in the BAV table of the lord of the ascendant of the D1, which has 3 or fewer BAV bindus, especially so if a Mars maha or antar or sub sub is runing at the same time

...are a few examples which come to mind.
Thanks! I am sorry for late response -- I was under the impression that I had already replied to this sharing :-(

I am definitely not trying to be flippant or criticising you, Dr. Farr, but this brings up so many points in time when marakatwa (death?) could be possible. Of course longevity questions come up from time to time, generally from older individuals or where relatives are terminally-ill, etc. But, just thinking aloud, one would expect that maraka periods -- even when not making the curtain fall (in most cases death happens/occurs only once, although we do have documented cases of NDE where seemingly dead people do return despite being declared clinically-dead) -- would or should bring up the fear or thoughts of possible death in the nativities going through maraka periods! I believe that is a reasonable expectation if the infrastructure of astrology really works. This individual was unique because though fairly ill for a long period of time and after coronary bypass etc used to be a bit of dare-devil and loved life with a rare gusto. He even a few years prior to actual death was visiting a SE Asian country and gave parasailing a try at his age and medical condition. Something, I would not even dare to try during my non-maraka transits! Remarkable man in other ways as well! :-)

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Your description of the man certainly shows Mars qualities (eg courage) ! I think of potential life-threatening times as "critical periods", when the chances for death are elevated, although this elevation does not necessarily mean that death or near-death, will occur.

And here is my problem with the traditional doctrine of the maraka planet (which I had hinted at in an earlier post): I believe the entire doctrine puts too much emphasis upon ONE planetary factor (eg the maraka and its dasha, transit, etc) whereas in the determining of potential critical periods it is always a confluence of several (oftentimes numerous) astrological factors coming together and pointing in one particular direction, its almost never just ONE factor that is capable of doing so.
That is why I do not follow the maraka doctrine (although I have outlined my understanding of this doctrine, within the context of ashtakavarga, for illustrative purposes, in my posts to this thread) I myself never seek to find a "maraka" planet, choosing instead to look at a rather wide variety of potential factors, when determining a potential time for a forthcoming critical period.
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Your description of the man certainly shows Mars qualities (eg courage) ! I think of potential life-threatening times as "critical periods", when the chances for death are elevated, although this elevation does not necessarily mean that death or near-death, will occur.

And here is my problem with the traditional doctrine of the maraka planet (which I had hinted at in an earlier post): I believe the entire doctrine puts too much emphasis upon ONE planetary factor (eg the maraka and its dasha, transit, etc) whereas in the determining of potential critical periods it is always a confluence of several (oftentimes numerous) astrological factors coming together and pointing in one particular direction, its almost never just ONE factor that is capable of doing so.
That is why I do not follow the maraka doctrine (although I have outlined my understanding of this doctrine, within the context of ashtakavarga, for illustrative purposes, in my posts to this thread) I myself never seek to find a "maraka" planet, choosing instead to look at a rather wide variety of potential factors, when determining a potential time for a forthcoming critical period.
HALLELUJAH!

My sentiments and strife, exactly! Insofar as this single-minded pursuit for 'one robin announces the arrival of SPRING' mentality that some of the participants know prevails, and to which I had been rather allergic about! And have itched, whenever I could (Eh, Rishi?) ;-)

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Dr. Farr.


Since any planet posited in a house having high sarva bindus (say 35) is a benefic, so nodes in such houses also become benefic. Can it now be said that they are not afflicting the house they are placed in as also the houses they aspect?

ANSWER: YES

Going on the assumption that rahu is benefic for a native, I looked for its positive karakattawas (since a benefic planet gives good results which must come from positive action or a benefic planet gives good results irrespective of nature of action?), I found strength, research, dignity as the only karakas that I would consider positive.. So as a benefic, Rahu must supply strength (to what, will be determined by other factors present in the chart)..Am I going right?

ANSWER:YES
However, while sarva bindus totals (and average of totals re to placement and lordship of houses) is an important factor, there is also another factor which needs to be factored in, and that is the bhinnashtakavarga totals for each planet (and for each Node) in each planet's BAV table. Use of only sarva bindus in the D1 is a reliable "snapshot", of course, but as in every evaluative methodology, deeper (and thus even more precisely accurate) analysis can be made; also, how the planets fare (sarva bindu wise) in the D9, in comparison to their sarva bindu totals in the D1, can make a very significant modification to the ACTUAL overall state of each planet's ability to express either its functionally benefic or functionally difficult ("malefic") qualities and influences...
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Re: Functional benefic or natural malefic!

Thanks, Dr. Farr. You are a fount of knowledge. Are Ketu's benefic places the same as Rahu's? Vinay Aditya says so but in the same paragraph wonders why Yavanacharya didnot give Ashtakvarga of ketu and that it would be too presumptuous of him to give ketu the same benefic places as rahu. Talk about talking in circles!
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Re: Functional benefic or natural malefic!

Aditya answers his own question in his second book, "Practical Ashtakavarga", wherein both the Rahu BAV and the Ketu BAV calculating tables are provided.
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