NEVER move to a location with "Crossing SATURN/PLUTO" !!!!!

Dear All,

I am a new member here.
Also i have been suffered from the saturn and pluto 4th house for more than 30 years.

these two years, by studying the astrology, i found the mainl reason of my unluck in the past.

i am planing to relocate soon to a new place.
I would like to ask,

if a Uranus ACS ok???
But meanwhile, the saturn will go to 10th house, (saturn & jupiter are conjunction 0 angle)
mars & sun & venus = 3 angle, will go to 4th hose
saturn & jupiter VS mars & sun = 180 angle


will the career of 10th toooo bad???
but the ASC is Uranus...

i have been confused of this for more than half a year.... I found nobody can help me of this in noramal astrology forum,
really hope my confuse can be solved in this forum.

Many thanks for any advice.

Regards,
Summer
 

gem1ni

Well-known member
Where, in the natal chart, Saturn is dignified, strong, well aspected, and Pluto is in favorable aspect with Saturn and with other key horoscopic elements (such as, eg, the ascendant, Sun, Part of Fortune, etc), is an example of where being on a Saturn/Pluto line could be a favorable localization.

(PS: for me, I only take a comparison of the natal chart with the locational elements into account, when making a locational evaluation)

In the posted natal reference chart, Saturn applies to square of Pluto: this aspect alone would be sufficient reason for me to recommend staying away from being on a Saturn/Pluto line.
I agree that lines and crossings depend on the aspects of the planets in the natal chart. I'm a good case in point. I've lived for many years at my Mars IC line. This is not meant to be easy by all accounts, but I like it because my Mars is well aspected, in a grand trine with Moon and Ceres.

As regards the poster's comments on feeling out of place and disagreeing with the values and tastes of others, this sounds to me very much like a node effect. Don't the notes indicate if you fit in the local environment or not? I lived with the NN square the AC, and I had similar experiences. I didn't like the people and their values (I couldn't grow to respect them), even though my job and house situation were OK.
 
Hi, have you ever check if you are at the positive secodary processsing period?
if your processing is good. then you will still have positive life even if the ASC is mars.

but i tend to agree that even it is Pluto or Sartune in ASC, it can lead to a good experience, as long as it is positive angle in the natal charts.
 

aquarius7000

Well-known member
Hi,

I can share my example. The place I am currently at, have been for some time now, has Saturn crossing it per my Astrocartography. Whilst I have always had work (Saturn being the astrological Lord of employment), the place of work itself has been ridden with challenges due to office politics. Going by Dr Farr's astro-logic, Saturn in my natal chart is in detriment and makes challenging aspects to the likes of Pluto and Mars. However, perhaps despite all the Pluto/Mars challenges I have faced at my place of work, I have often received a pat on the back for my work itself, and have, as said, always been able to retain employment well, perhaps due to the trine that my natal Saturn (though in detriment) receives from an exalted Venus (keeping the job and enjoying it). This exalted Venus in my natal chart rules my Midheaven. See how that all reels in.:D

:)AQ7
 

PD187540

Well-known member
WOW, the Saturn/Pluto crossings make a lot of sense! They describe what's been going on in my life here in my home state very accurately. Here are my power lines that I'm within 200 km of:

Saturn/MC
Pluto/MC
Moon/IC
Crossing Saturn/Moon

Astro described the Saturn/Pluto/MC stuff as "finding my destiny, power struggles", etc. You know what it means? I WON'T BE ABLE TO FIND SUSTAINABLE WORK HERE! Literally, "death of work." There's absolutely no way I can maintain or find a job here in this state. I'm entirely and unequivocally convinced of that, so I stopped searching anywhere within the New York tri-state area, and I am still currently jobless.

I'm actually lucky that I completed my 4-year college degree here. After that, the mayhem began. I must have gone through 5 or 6 jobs since I graduated in 2006, and not ONE of them lasted a year each. Not one! This led me to believe that my college degree was useless. My old career might be dead and buried, but I need to use my background to go into something else that's related to what I was previously doing. And it needs to happen somewhere else in the country!

Moon/IC I take to mean as a comforting home life, which is true. I'm still living at home and not paying for food or rent. It feels like I'm wasting my life away and being lazy, but that's not my nature at all. I'm extremely ambitious, and it pains me to have to be in this state of affairs. Sure, my basic human needs are being met, but it's no use staying at home doing nothing and not personally and professionally evolving.

And this leads us to....

For crossing Moon/Saturn: "Your need for privacy may lead you into a certain isolation though, and you could find it hard to step up to people. You may then get upset about trivial matters and become impatient with the mistakes and inadequacies of others as well as your own"

Exactly! I'm a social person by nature, but I'm seriously isolating myself here in New York because I have nothing to do here whatsoever. I also have no close friends at all.

My plan of attack is this: I'm applying to jobs all over the country in a particular field I'm interested in. If none of those jobs calls me, I'm then going to do a cheap, two-year community college program close to home here. After that, then I'll either get a job in another state or continue on for a second college degree (to be determined). Since I don't know anybody to give me professional references, it may be a good idea to go to that cheap college program and do some networking. But if I find a job before September rolls around, I'm outta here!

Bottom line is that all these lines are telling me to GET OUT if I'm to have any career success at all. I think almost everybody here can agree with this astrocartography assessment, too.
 

PD187540

Well-known member
Where, in the natal chart, Saturn is dignified, strong, well aspected, and Pluto is in favorable aspect with Saturn and with other key horoscopic elements (such as, eg, the ascendant, Sun, Part of Fortune, etc), is an example of where being on a Saturn/Pluto line could be a favorable localization.

(PS: for me, I only take a comparison of the natal chart with the locational elements into account, when making a locational evaluation)

In the posted natal reference chart, Saturn applies to square of Pluto: this aspect alone would be sufficient reason for me to recommend staying away from being on a Saturn/Pluto line.

Dr. Farr, see my post above. I have Saturn conjunct Pluto, both conjunct the Midheaven. I also think that the conjunction between these two planets requires you to stay away from Saturn/Pluto lines as well!
 

dr. farr

Well-known member
I also think that the conjunction between these two planets requires you to stay away from Saturn/Pluto lines as well!

I agree:biggrin:!

(Unless, under rather unusual circumstances, Pluto and Saturn both happen to be highly dignified, in which case such a conjunction would be +; but in most cases we do not find this, so such conjunctions are usually difficult)
 

PD187540

Well-known member
I agree:biggrin:!

(Unless, under rather unusual circumstances, Pluto and Saturn both happen to be highly dignified, in which case such a conjunction would be +; but in most cases we do not find this, so such conjunctions are usually difficult)

Absolutely! I actually "hired" an excellent astrocartography specialist to look into my particular situation. I've never paid for an astrological consultation before, but I feel like now is the time, especially in this particular branch of astrology. I really believe that location is everything, and I know for a fact that where I'm living now is working against me career-wise.

My main area of interest is in death, specifically forensics (medicolegal death investigator). If I can somehow get my Saturn-Pluto conjunction away from my Midheaven and placed into a better house, along with placing more fortuitous planets on my Midheaven, I think that will help me tremendously.
 

anjelik

Well-known member
This may be off topic, but I have a question regarding relocation charts + synastry. Would a person relocating affect synastry with their significant other?

On the travel map option on Astro.com the aspects I have for where my boyfriend lives is Venus/MC Line. This looks to be a favorable aspect, however I also have Uranus/DS Line.. which would negative. Does this mean I would be there to be with him but then ultimately break up? Also, if he were to move to NY it looks like he has Pluto/MC Line and Jupiter/DS Line - which almost are contradictory, no? Based on the Pluto aspect I do not think it would be a good idea for him to move over here at this time. But could it mean that there may be some changes that are for the best where he may prosper from? My final question are these aspects forever or do they change over time? Would neither of us ever be happy in the other's country?

I only ask all of this because we are trying to figure out what would make the most sense for us and I am more in favor of me moving there. Thank you!
 
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mcar

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We can all agree that Steve Jobs is one of the first people that come to mind when we think of successful, correct? Steve Jobs was born, lived, and died in San Francisco. San Francisco is the location for a Saturn/Pluto line crossing (or a "paran") for Steve Jobs. People tend to forget how powerful these two planets can be if they are mastered.
 

nremt

Member
After looking at AstroCartography, I just noticed that I had been living under a "PLUTO ASC /SATURN ASC CROSSING."

No wonder I was so unhappy!!! LOL

I just think that sometimes Saturn can be a big ol meanie and most people just want to make sure that they don't live near it. I currently live in a city between my moon node and my Saturn placement.

Restrictions and limitations, the planet of restrictions and limitations I tell you, especially in the career field. Can not get to college because there is no public transportation to the campus locations. Sister in law said that there are plenty of jobs, yet it took me two years to find one and now it's taking me another year or more to find one.

We had a choice of heading to Oregon or to the southern states to be with my husbands family. We should have headed north to Oregon where my venus and jupiter cross. Unfortunately, I can't get him to move there. My husband should stay away from Las Vegas.
 
This is a pretty old thread but I'll reply anyway.

Where I have lived since I was little child I have a Saturn AC Neptune MC crossing and it is horrible. I also have a bunch of other bad crossings like chiron DC venus IC, chiron DC mercury AC, moon AC mars MC and a uranus DC line. (Only partially good crossing I have is Mercury AC Venus IC).

I had a lot of issues with the other people here and from reading your post I think the main culprit is the saturn neptune crossing (and maybe also that mars and moon crossing). First a lot of people missunderstood me, like I will say something in a nice way but it comes out as super rude and my tone sounds rude and even aggressive. In my ears it doesn't sound aggresive but to others it does and they will be weirded out by my ''aggressive'' behaviour. I also have a hard time finding people that agree with me exactly like you said, people seem to think the opposite of what I think, especially people that are from similar cultures/countries as me which is weird since we should have many things in common.

I also feel very limited (thats a saturn thing :p) in my everyday life and with whatever I do. Like I feel like I can't go out whenever I want or do whatever I want it feels like something is holding me back the whole time. Also I read about the neptune saturn crossing on astro .com and it was so accurate. It basically said that neptune would put these dreams into my head but then saturn (like the death star it is) would proceed to destroy them and bring me back to reality. Saturn crossings seem to be best for people that have problems in their life and need to mature or grow out of those bad habits or people that want to work, not people that want to have any type of fun.
 

CapAquaPis

Well-known member
According to my relocation astrology chart...I should avoid the Saturn AC/Pluto AC crossing line in or near...Thule, Greenland. Why would I wanna move close to the North Pole for? Unless I was in the US Armed Forces, their base is in the vicinity of Thule in northwest Greenland, an air force base above the Arctic circle.
 

CapAquaPis

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On my relocation astrology chart, the state of CA where I live has 2 planetary lines: Venus MC line in the eastern portion where the Palm Springs area is and I live there, and there's the Saturn IC line in the Pacific coasts between L.A. and the Bay area. I say I'm caught between a good and a bad line conflicting each other and it's an indication of an experience of a rough neighborhood (Indio) and to the west, a more desirable place (Palm Desert), not in sync with Venus to the east and Saturn in the west. Venus in it's highest over my hometown or 115 degrees west vs. Saturn in the lowest along 120 degrees west Longitude.
 

CapAquaPis

Well-known member
Should I relocate to eastern Oklahoma next year, the state where I have Pluto IC line cross almost exactly along the Ark-Ok state line. I have maternal family history in Pattillo Mountain about a few miles west of Fort Smith, Arkansas. I'm worried that decision can be a mistake, a place along the Pluto line, but like someone said about Steve Jobs' career moves were influenced by his natal chart astrocartography, the Saturn/Pluto lines crossing heavily benefited him.
 

JustMe

New member
I have lived in a place with Saturn/Pluto crossing... I felt repressed, powerless, and unhappy, but I was a very successful student in that area... and now I live in a location that has put Mars in my first house (while it was in the 6th, on DC, in my hometown), and this feels quite terrible because I find myself fighting with people and attracting very aggressive and unkind people, so I understand how you feel.
 

JustMe

New member
It has been a few years since this post and I joined this forum only a few days ago but I hope you are still a member and can answer: who was the prominent relocational astrologer that you have hired and how did your relocation work out? Are you happy in the new place?
I relocated three times already but I do not seem to find the right place. I want to find a good astrologer now. Can anyone help me with that?
 

CapAquaPis

Well-known member
Then there's the Local Space chart that radiates from where you're born and/or where you live. From what I read, probably based on my sun sign Aquarius' traditional ruler is Saturn, the Saturn AC actually is a beneficial line I should reside in (i.e. Utah), except Saturn was retrograde in my chart. And a long Pluto AC line crosses the middle of California, the state I current live, indicates I shouldn't move anywhere along/near the Pluto AC line which is the majority of the state.
 
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CapAquaPis

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And it's also said the sun and moon in 8th house...should a 8th house-ruled Scorpio planet Pluto lines be ideal for me, esp my travel charts or my local space one (it goes towards the North coast of California right near the Oregon state line).
 
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