okay...
So we made a mistake.
I recalculated the time between what we believed to be Mary/Marriam's chart and the birth of Yeshu'a/Jesus and it couldn't have been as she would have been two weeks shy of her 16th birthday at the time and Edgar Cayce said she was between the ages of 16 and 17 and was with child when Joseph was introduced to her.
Back to the drawing board.
As my clairvoyant friend, Clarisse Conner, affirmed* many years ago, my belief that if the other half of ones soul is incarnate then their natal Venus will always make the 14th degree of Aries in a composite, I went back to that theory. *(
she said she was pretty sure that this is correct. Possibly it is true most of the time. I would certainly have to think that it was as so at that time too, r.e Mary and Jesus' charts)
While re-reading Edgar Cayce's readings the other night out loud to my friend "Mitch" (He is mentioned in my book and in fact I have posted his chart, a few years ago, in a thread dedicated to him somewhere in this forum. Born 6/6/62 at 6:06 a.m.) it struck me that Cayce said that it was of an importance that Mary too was born of immaculate conception. So it occurred to me that Mary's Asc. would also likely have to be Libra 01°.
BINGO
I'm very, very, positive about this chart. As to make a composite Venus in the 14th of Aries with Yeshu'a Her Venus would have had to have been in the 21st degree of Taurus when adding the factor that the Asc. had to also be in the 1st degree of Libra it really narrowed that window of opportunity down...and what is produced has so many affirmative Astrological Parts of appropriate Sabian Symbols I really just don't see how it can have been at any other time.
Like I have said many a time, "The Sabian Symbols are the ultimate tool of rectification"
Behold the chart
There's a perfect pentagram in this chart except for one point being vacant but that possibly was complete by one of the yet to be discovered outer planets or one of the active asteroids.
Recall that 33 is the esoteric, gnostic, number of Yeshu'a/Jesus the man and that a Star of Solomon is two grand trines 3 and 3...and that Mary's esoteric, gnostic, number is 55...
The pentagram in this chart involves the Sun, Moon, Saturn, and the asteroid Vesta. Vesta is about dedicated work so it being paired up with the other three in this manner really makes good sense...to me, anyways.
The empty point on this chart is in the 10th degree of Aquarius.
As Edgar spoke of how many had to realize her potential to become the receptacle for the birth of the Prince of Peace the Part of Fortunes' Sabian Symbol in the 17th of Cancer really rings with that loud and clear; [ibid.]
"CANCER 17°: THE UNFOLDMENT OF MULTILEVEL POTENTIALITIES ISSUING FROM AN ORIGINAL GERM.
KEYNOTE:The life urge to actualize one's birth potential.
What is pictured here is simply the process of germination. As it unfolds from the sundered seed the plant pierces the crust of the soil and reaches up toward the light. This is a dynamic process turned outward, in contrast to the more static or introspective process of integration-through- understanding depicted in the preceding symbol.
Germination is the crucifixion of the seed. The seed becomes the germ, just as the Tibetan student meditating silently and peacefully on the Mandala is followed by the Christian Crusader - and, at a materialistic level of productivity, by the engineer-technologist intent upon transforming the globe for the greatest possible enjoyment of the greatest possible number of human beings.
As usual, the second stage of the five-fold sequence establishes a contrast with the first. Action polarizes meditation. The expanding process of self-actualization — which may mean nothing more than ego-expansion through conquest — contrasts with the introspective study of the structural relationship between, and the meaning of, the various energies and potentialities of one's nature (svarupa in Sanskrit). The Keyword is GROWTH."
The Hermetic Lot of Eros is in the 7th of Pisces and it is conj in the same Sign and degree that Yeshu'a's natal Venus is in: [ibid.]
"PISCES 7°: ILLUMINED BY A SHAFT OF LIGHT, A LARGE CROSS LIES ON ROCKS SURROUNDED BY SEA MIST.
KEYNOTE: The spiritual blessing which strengthens individuals who, happen what may, stand uncompromisingly for their own truth.
Men who do not depend upon collective values, traditions or support but seek at any cost to be true to their individual self and destiny almost inevitably face some kind of crucifixion. They are sustained only by the power within them, to which a light above answers. The symbol tells us: 'Be true to thine own self, and in the midst of the outer confusion displayed by those surrounding you, you will realize what you really are as an Individual — a son of God'.
This second stage symbol presents us with a realization in polar opposition to that evoked by the preceding scene. It implies the supreme worth of a life guided by an inner voice and manifesting a high degree of SELF-ASSERTION."
There's so much more to discuss about this chart and why I believe this is the one that is true but as it is very late here and I've had a long day it'll have to wait.
I'm hoping our fellow member Phoenix Venus will contribute to this thread further. She did an excellent job of determining the chart for gestation which is still valid... a most excellent job of sleuthing it was too... and she is just soooo doggone good at Astrological Parts, too.
This has been a long arduous effort to figure this out... but I really believe we have finally solved this riddle.
Until later then...
ptv