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So Brazil does not have a right to manage their own territory?

"Giving a green ticket", essentially saying south american countries require permission of the great european powers to develop their own economy, or face some form of retribution? Europe destroyed its own forests over their 200 year expansion period, and never bothered to to rebuild them. But Brazil can't do the same. Why?
If it's about money for the Brazilian economy, Brazil should use its possession of the Amazon Rainforest to extort money: Pay us to maintain the Rainforest or we'll continue destroying it.
20% of the Earth's oxygen supply depends on it, so it's an effective threat.


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Moon just ingressing into cancer is interesting , although the explanation in transits is predictably boring.
Have you studied physics in college?
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I see what you mean though. In astrology, there's boring stuff, like celestial mechanics, that lays the foundation for the interesting stuff.
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So Brazil does not have a right to manage their own territory?

"Giving a green ticket", essentially saying south american countries require permission of the great european powers to develop their own economy, or face some form of retribution? Europe destroyed its own forests over their 200 year expansion period, and never bothered to to rebuild them. But Brazil can't do the same. Why?
Itís not about requiring permission but giving a green ticket was about being environmentally friendly in the West, or setting a good example. Itís not about ownership either but moderating all countries who go off into extremism. We interfered in WW1&2 but was that about ownership too?

While I understand the importance of debating sedantics, the call to save animals from humans requires action. We can all stop consuming meat and boycotting products containing palm oil for one.
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It’s not about requiring permission but giving a green ticket was about being environmentally friendly in the West, or setting a good example. It’s not about ownership either but moderating all countries who go off into extremism. We interfered in WW1&2 but was that about ownership too?
So then countries like Brazil have no right to exploit their own resources? and they need to be "moderated" by other countries? Seems a bit authoritarian to me.

It is very easy to call for environmental awareness when you are living in an industrialized country, in essence, a country who has already exploited its natural resources to the last one and cared little for the environment while doing so. Brazil is a developing nation who is trying to escape poverty, but they can't do the same as your country did? Why?

You are condeming the people of Brazil to poverty in the name of the environment, while you live in a society that enjoys every perk of having exploited the environment.

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While I understand the importance of debating sedantics, the call to save animals from humans requires action. We can all stop consuming meat and boycotting products containing palm oil for one.
Actually veganism wouldn't help because you would still require large amounts of land to produce enough quantity of vegetables to feed the entire world. It is kind of the same situation, whether it is meat or vegetables. Brazil is a growing country going through the stage of expansionism, so what is happening is rather unavoidable.
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If it's about money for the Brazilian economy, Brazil should use its possession of the Amazon Rainforest to extort money: Pay us to maintain the Rainforest or we'll continue destroying it.
20% of the Earth's oxygen supply depends on it, so it's an effective threat.
Ok so, in your view they should extort other people for money.

This is the natural consequence of expansion and a rising population, throwing money at them is a short-term solution which wouldn't work. Specially because the fires are not caused by the goverment, but rather the small farmers who are trying to increase their plots of land.
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Ok so, in your view they should extort other people for money.

This is the natural consequence of expansion and a rising population, throwing money at them is a short-term solution which wouldn't work. Specially because the fires are not caused by the goverment, but rather the small farmers who are trying to increase their plots of land.
Presumably, the money would come with a proviso attached: Pay the small farmers NOT to destroy the Rainforest.
We have programs in the U.S. paying farmers not to plant certain crops, and those are long-term programs.

Dirius, what's your solution? Are you against all zoning regulations, of any kind?
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Presumably, the money would come with a proviso attached: Pay the small farmers NOT to destroy the Rainforest.
We have programs in the U.S. paying farmers not to plant certain crops, and those are long-term programs.

Dirius, what's your solution? Are you against all zoning regulations, of any kind?
The expansion over the Amazon has existed despite regulations and controls. So money wouldn't stop the fires at all, and the cost of programs would only increases as time goes by and the land becomes more valuable. You also need to account that levels of goverment corruption (accepting bribes, misshandling funds, etc.) is way higher in South America than in other regions, thus goverment programs in this region are rarely (if at all) effective.

There aren't many real solutions. Brazil will eventually destroy their rainforest, as other countries did to their own forests in the past. No one can really point fingers at them for doing what everyone else has done. The only argument I see of value is about the native brazilians who live in the rainforest, their right to self-determination whose habitat is being destroyed. But even so, it will not have much impact.

If your concern is about the global impact on the environment, the only thing you can do is start rebuilding your own forests, the ones you teared down in Europe and the U.S. hundreds of years ago, to compensate the loss of the Amazon.
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The Amazon Rainforest is said to be unique, relative to the Earth's atmosphere. I don't think increasing forests (we have a lot of wilderness areas in the U.S.) would compensate for the loss of the Rainforest. Looks like the Termite People, as they've been described by the indigenous Rainforest tribes, will doom us all.
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Hmmm....just saw several articles from different sources claiming it's some big corporations, teaming up with the Government, that's responsible for most of the damage; and, that they're hiding behind a "small farmers are doing it on their own" facade. Looks credible.
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Unread 08-26-2019, 09:25 PM
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Hmmm....just saw several articles from different sources claiming it's some big corporations, teaming up with the Government, that's responsible for most of the damage; and, that they're hiding behind a "small farmers are doing it on their own" facade. Looks credible.
There are also reports that the cause of the fires is due to the dry season on the Amazon, meaning they might not be caused by humans. If you think about it, there isn't actually any evidence, picture or footage of people starting the fires. And also not all of the images that are swarming the internet correspond to the 2019 fires, many of them are from other years.

To be honest, its easier to not trust any source.
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So then countries like Brazil have no right to exploit their own resources? and they need to be "moderated" by other countries? Seems a bit authoritarian to me.

It is very easy to call for environmental awareness when you are living in an industrialized country, in essence, a country who has already exploited its natural resources to the last one and cared little for the environment while doing so. Brazil is a developing nation who is trying to escape poverty, but they can't do the same as your country did? Why?

You are condeming the people of Brazil to poverty in the name of the environment, while you live in a society that enjoys every perk of having exploited the environment.
Well we werenít as environmentally aware as we were back in yonder years but now we are fully aware of things like the OZone layer and CO2 emissions. Not to mention the undiscovered species and medicine that lie in the Amazon! I mean, half the medicines come from that forest donít they?? Itís all because of the Ďsupply and demandí rule of capitalism that soy needs to be grown to feed the cows for meat. And itís not just because of Brazil growing as a population, itís us in the West that is causing the demand for this meat.

About the Brazilian people we are condemning, Iíve seen comments on The Guardian newspaper from Brazilian people and they donít want the rainforest burning either and I doubt they will see any benefit from the profits! Itís not going to create more jobs either, itís to grow soy to feed to the animals we require for meat.

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Actually veganism wouldn't help because you would still require large amounts of land to produce enough quantity of vegetables to feed the entire world. It is kind of the same situation, whether it is meat or vegetables. Brazil is a growing country going through the stage of expansionism, so what is happening is rather unavoidable.
Where did you get this information from? The reason I ask is because itís widely acknowledged due to scientific study, that world hunger would be eradicated if we used the wheat and soy used to feed cows to feed us instead. Meat is an expensive business and everyone knows that so I donít know where you are getting the knowledge from that says otherwise.
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I think you only eat meat at the weekends donít you Dirius? So thatís actually really good especially compared to the fad for high protein diets in the physical training industry. Do you try to boycott palm oil products? That would be the next thing you could do.
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But the notion that I may be authoritarian is actually true even though I donít want to admit it. I would assassinate Bolsonaro and if his son came into power, I would assassinate him too until they get the message and leave the Amazon forest alone. I guess that makes me kind of like Putin.
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Looked up Putin's chart. Pluto/SN/M.C. conj in Leo. Sun conj Saturn in Libra, H11.

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I noticed a lot of controversial/shady leaders have a Venus-Saturn conjunction or square. Donald Trump and his conjunction, Theresa May has it and she was just so out of touch. Richard Nixon had Venus Pisces 6th square Saturn in 4th, with Pluto in 10th (abuse of power due to a lack of trust or what!)

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Looked up Putin's chart. Pluto/SN/M.C. conj in Leo. Sun conj Saturn in Libra, H11.
You know the guy whose chart I showed you? He said Trump and Putin knew each other in a past life and they were destined to meet again and is the start of something. Thatís why when ever I hear news of us against the Russians, I donít take it too seriously, and instead note the tension with China building, and Trump doesnít troll China, only Russia and South Korea. When Trump ainít trolliní, something is a rollin.í

However, as you can probably tell, my old guide was pro-Trump (even though he isnít white and is Chinese) but once again I see myself disagreeing with this undoubtedly genuine and special spiritual man and canít agree with Trumps policies because I care about animals and being nice too much. Maybe itís the start of war between us and the Russians on one side against China, North Korea on the other.

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I was previously trying to get help understanding how my very 8th house and Plutonian solar return chart might manifest and for some reason no one could really help, but Iím hardly even a month into my year and itís been the most intense of my life. Yes thereís been death, thereís been immense call for transformation, thereís been issues with inheritance, and a whole lot more I wasnít fully ready for

I feel like thereís no way in hell im gonna be the same person by the end of this year. And thatís true always, but even more so now
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I also got this reading done for me and I didnít go into specifics, I simply stated I felt there was something different about me and I wanted some insight into it if he could read anything. He said one of my ancestors some generations ago dabbled in magick heavily and secretly and something was passed onto me for whatever reason, but for now I have to go through hell. I was told I mightíve felt whatever gifts all my life, but they wonít be allowed to fully flow without restriction until Iím 29. The implication was that my life will continue to be a challenge up to then which makes me feel a little scared tbh. I was also told I might attempt to dabble in whatever spiritual practices now, but whatever I inherited will not truly be unlocked until then. But he did say by that time Iíll be able to manifest very easily

Iíve already discovered I can manifest things, but it does seem thereís a block of sorts
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Do you have any plans for when these powers manifest in a few years (barring your death) or are you just going to play it by ear?
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An interesting case on the performative side of Magic is Penn & Teller. Both charts are highly descriptive of the kind of men they are and the kind of lives they lead. They are a part of the tradition of magicians that originated in 1548, where the first "magic as tricks" book was written. Both have Mercury in the sign adjacent to their Sun Sign - Penn has an Aquarius Mercury near maximum elongation alongside his Pisces Sun, while Teller has a Retrograde Mercury in Pisces alongside his Aquarius Sun. This shows in their very objective and satiric take they have on magic - being very accomplished yet avid debunkers. They are also very refreshing as they will turn this drive for honesty and objectivity on themselves. I'm not sure if they done it yet, but Penn did articulate a desire to create a show where the magicians try to rip apart their OWN cherished beliefs. They are thought provoking and cerebral/ideas oriented about what they do.

If you pull up their charts, what do you all see?
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Do you have any plans for when these powers manifest in a few years (barring your death) or are you just going to play it by ear?
There are things Iíve wanted since I was a child. I want to have enough money to travel and provide for someone I love, I want to just live a life with art and particularly writing. Iíd love to believe itís true that all this hell Iíve been going through will end and it was all just tempering me and readying me for a state of liberation and power to just be and live with my passions
I do want to help others too however I can. At the moment itís hard for me to feel in touch with that fire as someone has just passed and Iím thinking mostly of death than of life, but I know Iíve expressed many times my desires to help others

Those are the things I want
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Oh... so a death did happen close to you. It's understandable that your mind is contending with the death. 8th house is also "anguish of the mind" and grief is one of the most powerful of anguishes that one goes through. Grief is quite the 8th house emotion/experience.
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John McAfee. Definitely in it to win it. Moon in Aquarius.
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Oh... so a death did happen close to you. It's understandable that your mind is contending with the death. 8th house is also "anguish of the mind" and grief is one of the most powerful of anguishes that one goes through. Grief is quite the 8th house emotion/experience.
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