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Are you saying more population-based crimes are committed during Leo month?
''Across the Northern Hemisphere, it is not only hotter days that have more violent crimes, but also hotter seasons of the year, hotter summers, hotter years, hotter cities, and hotter regions (Anderson & Anderson, 1998; Anderson & others, 2000). Anderson and his colleagues project that if a 4-degree-Fahrenheit (about 2°C) global warming occurs, the United States alone will annually see at least 50,000 more serious assaults.''

''And in the laboratory, hot temperatures do increase arousal and hostile thoughts and feelings (Anderson & others, 1999). There may be other contributing factors, though. Maybe hot summer evenings drive people into the streets. There, other group influence factors may well take over. Then again (researchers are debating this), maybe there comes a point where stifling heat suppresses violence (Bell, 2005; Bushman & others, 2005a, 2005b; Cohn & Rotton, 2005).''

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Worldwide record for viewer numbers on satellite television: Biden versus Trump, boxing, 5 rounds, winner takes all!
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This non-stop political campaigning is putting out so much hot air, it's accelerating global warming.
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According to psychologists, playing violent video games, watching violent or pornographic material, all desensitize a person to violence - this has been countless times experimentally observed since Albert Bandura. Craig A. Anderson has received death threats for his research on video games in particular. So your president is correct that there exists a culture of glorified violence, notably exemplified by the fact that the average American child sees dozens of thousands murders and millions of violence acts. I partially base this on the following literature on the topic.

Anderson, C. A. (2004). An update on the effects of violent video games. Journal of Adolescence, 27, 113-122.
Archer, D., & Gartner, R. (1976). Violent acts and violent times: A comparative approach to postwar homicide rates. American sociological review, 937-963.
Geen, R. G., & Quanty, M. B. (1977). The catharsis of aggression: An evaluation of a hypothesis. Advances in experimental social psychology (Vol. 10). New York: Academic Press.
Robinson, T. N., Wilde, M. L., Navracruz, L. C., Haydel, K. F., & Varady, A. (2001). Effects of reducing children's television and video game use on aggressive behavior: A randomized controlled trial. Archives of pediatrics & adolescent medicine, 155(1), 17-23.
Wilson, S. J., & Lipsey, M. W. (2005). The effectiveness of school-based violence prevention programs for reducing disruptive and aggressive behavior. Revised Report for the National Institute of Justice School Violence Prevention Research Planning Meeting, May 2005.

''Astrologers'' may also be interested in studies on heat and violence - because there appears to be a direct correlation which the ancient astrologers intuitively knew.
Anderson, C. A., Anderson, K. B., Dorr, N., DeNeve, K. M., & Flanagan, M. (2000). Temperature and aggression. In M. P. Zanna (Ed.), Advances in Experimental Social Psychology. San Diego: Academic Press.

I want to make it clear - no one can be exposed to violent acts so many times that he decides to act upon it (as the usual personal anecdote answer goes), however, a person who is inclined to violence, might be desensitized by all these factors to act upon it - in this way exposure to violence does influence violence (as studies show time and time again). Exposure to violence never causes it to decrease - as the catharsis hypothesis has been almost universally rejected.
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Definitely true for me, then. My square is loose, a 6 degree orb.

However, I've pondered before how my chart looks like it has a lot of latent impulsivity in it, and I see that in myself. I don't say or do half the things I think of saying or doing, because my mind runs faster than my actions. I tend not to act very impulsively, I'm much more likely to get stuck in a rut thinking things through and not taking action. Might be the Virgo/Gemini square between those two impulsive planets.
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My father is born a couple of days before you and he is the most self-controlled person I know. But he does have a penchant for violence and a volcanic temper.

When he was younger he would beat up kids to a bloody pulp when they got on his nerves. Even his sense of humor was violent -- one time he put some glass in a mud puddle and dared his older brother to run through it... the outcome was not pretty.

These days he isn't liable to bash people's heads in if they upset him but anyone who interacts with him knows that his boundaries are strong and will be enforced.

So not an impulsive guy, but some key planets are different between both the charts (yours and his).
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He doesn't have the stereotypical violent aspects but we already know that astrology doesn't work that way.

His Mars is in Taurus and on the 29th degree. It's conjunct the south node and is square his Mercury Virgo which is at 2 degrees. Don't know his tob so can't tell you which house his Mars falls.

I think for violence to be in the cards, the whole chart has to be analyzed. Then there is case of the reason behind the violence. Some may use it to further their agenda whilst others may be violent because they are unable to control themselves/anger. At one point beating your children was encouraged; violence for the purpose of correcting unacceptable/rude behaviour. Culture, basic mindset, war/peacetime, stress levels ... all of these play into the use of violence or not.

Sure this person may have mars opposite pluto and that person may have mars square uranus but one aspect won't turn them into a raging homicidal maniac or a cold-blooded murderer.
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Your father was only 20 when you were born? Or is his birthday two days before mine but a different year?

Mars transited to Gemini the day before I was born. If your father is literally two days older than me, his Mars would be in the last degree of Taurus, about to transit. That should give it the extra power and volatility of a planet at 29 degrees--not quite sure whether it's a Taurus or Gemini, it acts like some of both. Mercury would be a degree or two closer to Mars, so a tighter square.

And if he's two days older than me, he probably has the moon in Scorpio (mine is in the middle of Sagittarius). Very likely, he has a different rising sign from me, too. Capricorn rising is not very impulsive!
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I just saw this post... your father is two days older than me.

Mars on the south node, from what I've read, can spell a penchant for violence. If we read the south node indicators as a past life story, it can indicate having committed violence in a prior life, and still be carrying that karma, and possibly that tendency, too. It can also indicate having been a victim and internalized the violence. Anyhow, with or without a past life explanation, what's on the south node is innate within us, and any story we get out of that typically has some echo in the current life.

I think my echo is internalized violence, of the verbal variety. That's what I see in my current life. But I have Mars in Gemini. Taurus is a much more physical sign, so there probably would be a predilection for physical violence if Mars in Taurus is in a hot spot like that (Gemini, in contrast, would be verbal violence).
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Yeah his Mars has definitely played a huge role in his life. He has always done physically demanding work and he has incredible stamina. Even his outlook is influenced by the Taurus Mars (pragmatic, no-nonsense, solid) which I think has as much to do with its placement as well as its aspect to mercury. Do to his overall demeanor I'm leaning towards him having a Taurus or Cap ASC.

One similarity I see between the two of you is story-telling. He loves to recount tales from his life and impart knowledge to people, all while keeping it full of humour and fun. The way you read charts is pretty story like especially when you focus on the nodes. I find it a pretty cool parallel.

Speaking of parallels the south node in my chart is located in Aries (Mars) in the 4th (father). Another neat parallel.
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I'm a Cap rising. If your dad also is, then he and I have almost the same chart. House placements might be a little different depending on the degree of Cap rising and difference in birth location, but the way you described your dad, it sounded to me like he and I have different rising signs. If his is late Taurus, he could have Mars conjunct the AC, which it sounds like to me, the way you describe that very obvious Mars influence.

Do you know whether he was born in the daytime or nighttime, morning or evening, etc? If so, that would help narrow it down.

It's neat that we have the same penchant for storytelling. I'd thought the astrological factors for me might be strong Mercury in detail oriented Virgo (Mercury is the final dispositor of everything in my chart except the sun, and likely the same for your dad) and maybe Gemini Mars? And maybe my eighth house sun, and eighth house Mercury, too? Eighth house deals with archetypes, which I would see as including storytelling.
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Unfortunately, he doesn't care enough to have that info and my grandmother is equally disinterested.

As to the positions of the planets, I do think that mercury's power in both of your charts have a lot to do with it. The applying conjunction to Venus would add 'pleasantness' or 'artistry' to the mercury function. You have the added features of a Gemini Mars/Sag Moon which are more mental in orientation. Neptune's position in both of your charts has a say as well. IIRC you have some action in the 12th/8th house so you got the unconscious to pull from (correct me if I'm wrong).

Lest we forget you both possess the Leo sun which colours your personality with some urge to express/dramatic flair.

With the leonine core + strong mercurial bent story-telling is a befitting outlet for your (and his) energies.
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Hahaha, wow. Okay, so I must be one hell of a violent person. Traditionally, I have Sun and Jupiter Square Mars along with Saturn Opposite Jupiter, Sun and Square Mars (T-Squares!!!! Yay!!!).

The link expired though....would've liked to read on more of these aspects.

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If you are looking at your natal for past life clues, there are two interesting techniques I learned at an Astrology Convention, years ago.

We did them in the workshop and everyone was amazed with how it turned out for them.

One way is to draw up an equal house chart, using your 12th house cusp as your ascendant. Then put your natal planets inside the equal house planets, with 12th as ascendant.

And read that chart as a basic description of one's life.

Another method is to do the same thing, but with the degree of your South Node as the Ascendant.

I found correlations with my South Node chart and 'memories' I had uncovered during a past life regression. So that was fascinating to me.
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Oh, wow, thank you for sharing that! That' sounds fascinating, I'm going to do it now
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(Following is presented as a general information item only)

According to a certain esoteric tradition (which accepts the concepts of karma and reincarnation to the "earth plane") the following technique can be applied to astrologically delineate the factors of the most recent previous incarnation.

+obtain the current natal chart
+put this natal chart into an Equal House (or-my addition-into a Whole Sign) chart format
+the object is to convert this current natal chart into the Past Life Chart (PLC)

Method

a) find the cusp(sensitive point in whole sign: instructions how to do that are at https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...3&postcount=59

abbreviated sp) of the 12th house in the natal chart.

b) find the degree of the Dragon's Tail (DT; aka South Node) in the natal chart

c) add the longitudinal degrees of the natal 12th house to the longitudinal degrees of the DT: enter the result as the cusp/sp of the 1st house in the PLC
(explanation: sounds more difficult than it is: really only simple arithmetic; the zodiac wheel is reduced to 360 degrees, and handled similar to finding Arabic Parts: you take the number associated with the degree of the 12th natal house and add it to the number associated with the degree of the DT; zodiacal degree numbers may be determined from the following little table:
Aries = 0
Taurus = 30
Gemini = 60
Cancer = 90
Leo = 120
Virgo = 150
Libra = 180
Scorpio = 210
Sagittarius = 240
Capricorn = 270
Aquarius = 300
Pisces = 330

Thus, for example, 10 degrees Aries = 10; 20 degrees Capricorn = 290;
29 degrees Pisces = 359, etc etc

If the added together numbers of the natal 12th house and the natal DT exceed 360, then subtract the 360 degree circle of the zodiac from the sum and this will give you your answer:
For example:
natal 12th = 15 degrees Libra
natal DT = 29 degrees Pisces
Your total in this case would be 554 (thus exceeds 360 degree limit of the zodiac); so, subtract the circle of the zodiac-360-from this number, which leaves 194. Looking 194 up in the above table, we find this number corresponds with 14 degrees Libra: this would be entered into the PLC as the cusp/sp of the 1st PLC house)

d) once the cusp/sp of the 1st PLC house has been entered, carry that degree around for each of the other PLC houses:
Example:
PLC cusp/sp of 1st house = 14 Libra
so, cusp/sp of 2nd PLC house = 14 Scorpio; of 3rd PLC house = 14 Sagittarius; of 4th PLC house = 14 Capricorn; and so on, around the chart
(thus the final 12th PLC house cusp/sp would = 14 Virgo in this example)

e) now fill in the PLC signs/houses with planets converted from the natal chart:
+start with the Sun: find Sun's place in the natal chart, then subtract 30 degrees from it: this is the Sun's place in the PLC:
Example: natal Sun = 10 degrees Taurus; subtract 30 degrees from this, which = 10 degrees Aries: enter Sun 10Aries in the PLC
+ do the same with natal Moon, Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (the outer planets or other natal chart elements are not included in this method)
+EXCEPTION to the above: in the case of any natal planet in retrograde, ADD 30 degrees to its natal position to convert it into the PLC:
Example: natal Jupiter is at 18 degrees Cancer-retrograde; add 30 degrees to Jupiter for the PLC; thus Jupiter's position in the PLC = 18 degrees Leo
+in the case of retrograde natal planets, they are also marked as retrograde in the PLC
+regarding the natal nodes, always ADD 30 degrees to both the natal nodal axis (that is advance the North Node 30 degrees to form the plc nodal axis, which means the SN would of course fall back by 1 sign in the plc)

You now have your completed Past Life Chart.

This esoteric tradition emphasizes including stars posited with 2 degrees of any PLC angle or planet or node, in the Past Life analysis. This tradition also believe that the PLC 12th house-and anything in it-describes the situation/condition of the incarnating ego during the period between physical incarnations (that is, the "other world" state of the individual prior to their current physical incarnation)

An interesting technique for those who might want to experiment with it.
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Why haven't I even heard of him before? Is he a younger generational cult personality?
You can't, and it's kind of a blessing you haven't. Chris Chan is a rather... bizarre individual with a life story straight out of a Greek tragedy. He was destined to be ****** from the start. He is only made famous around the Internet thanks to sites like 4chan, and you know what 4chan is.


Trust me, knowing about him doesn't make you any more hip.
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Jeffrey Epstein supposedly "committed suicide" in his jail cell, despite being on suicide watch.
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Mercury, having gone Direct, re-enters tropical Leo today. In 3 days, Venus will be exactly Conj the Sun, at 20 degrees tropical Leo.
No current transits in tropical Air-signs.
Nice sky-view of Jupiter close to the Moon last night, in tropical Sagittarius.

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Jeffrey Epstein supposedly "committed suicide" in his jail cell, despite being on suicide watch.
I was startled by a significant accusation yesterday by a woman alleging that Epstein recruited her for underage prostitution when she was 16, while she was working at Trump's golf resort in Marlago. No accusation that Trump was complicit though.
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Here's the rulership scheme of 12/12 that David wrote on the forum in December of 2018.

https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...3&postcount=32

I remember finding it convenient that a lot of David's placements picked up dignities in 12/12, but there is a larger rationale and pattern to the dignities that aren't based on his natal chart. (in contrast to how Morin was very keen on using his chart in his works and demonstrations, for the most part David doesn't hearken to his natal chart much.)

David, Saturn as great power/number 1 is solely because of the tropical age of Capricorn? Jupiter is only relegated to 2nd place because of the age, meaning that in every other age Jupiter is "king"? I know according to your system that Jupiter is "facilitated" by being in Aquarius while Saturn has nothing to do with the fixed air sign. So I imagine that Jupiter will be back in the driver seat in this next age.
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''Across the Northern Hemisphere, it is not only hotter days that have more violent crimes, but also hotter seasons of the year, hotter summers, hotter years, hotter cities, and hotter regions (Anderson & Anderson, 1998; Anderson & others, 2000). Anderson and his colleagues project that if a 4-degree-Fahrenheit (about 2°C) global warming occurs, the United States alone will annually see at least 50,000 more serious assaults.''

''And in the laboratory, hot temperatures do increase arousal and hostile thoughts and feelings (Anderson & others, 1999). There may be other contributing factors, though. Maybe hot summer evenings drive people into the streets. There, other group influence factors may well take over. Then again (researchers are debating this), maybe there comes a point where stifling heat suppresses violence (Bell, 2005; Bushman & others, 2005a, 2005b; Cohn & Rotton, 2005).''

Myers, D. G. (2010). Social Psychology 10th Ed. McGraw Hill. - page 367
Yes, there seem to be general connections between heat and rises in ill temper. Was wondering about astrological correspondence and whether traditional astrology in particular could explain violent crime in a country that isn’t exceptionally hot.
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I was startled by a significant accusation yesterday by a woman alleging that Epstein recruited her for underage prostitution when she was 16, while she was working at Trump's golf resort in Marlago. No accusation that Trump was complicit though.
The madam’s story is also disgusting. Daughter of a tabloid operator.

It could have been suicide. Nothing left on earth for a disgraced socialite.
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The madam’s story is also disgusting. Daughter of a tabloid operator.

It could have been suicide. Nothing left on earth for a disgraced socialite.
Yes, it could have been, but we'll never know for certain. Suicide watch is specifically geared to preventing it though.
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Yes, someone always manages to make it look so bad that we can all be distracted from the reality of severe capitalist oligarchy. Really, at the crucial moment he somehow wasn’t on suicide watch?

Here was the line that stuck with me from the article on his madam:
“But the thing is, to hang around those billionaire guys, you either have to be sleeping with them or you’re finding them girls. There is no in-between when you’re in that crowd,” said the friend, referring not to Ghislaine individually but the dark habits and rituals common at the highest echelons of power. “The other thing you can do is get them into parties. It’s the private jet equivalent of grass, gas or ***,” the source added, riffing on the ‘70s maxim of how hitchhikers could compensate drivers for their ride.
https://www.townandcountrymag.com/society/money-and-power/a28333971/ghislaine-maxwell-jeffrey-epstein-facts/

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Faked his death, plastic surgery, an old trick. There's no reason given for why he was taken off suicide watch after an attempt in July--experts are "outraged".
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Jeffrey Epstein supposedly "committed suicide" in his jail cell, despite being on suicide watch.
And Bill Clinton breathes a sigh of relief. Suicide, psh.
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And Bill Clinton breathes a sigh of relief. Suicide, psh.
Hmmm....Trump's 16 year old employee was recruited by Epstein at Marlago. Of course, the owner of the resort, Epstein's gracious host, who had declared him a "great guy", knew absolutely nothing about it. Absolutely nothing. And, you better believe it!
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moonkat,

I have been thinking about this for awhile and now I understand that you see ALL life as "fated" but that we have the ILLUSION that some of that "fate" is "free will": we do things THINKING we have free will but actually even those choices we make are all fated.

It occurs to me that this idea completely throws out the idea of personal responsibility and the basis of Western Civilization. IF we have NO responsibility for what we do then it is useless to attempt to punish or discipline people who do bad behavior. Hitler, Jeffrey Dahmer, Charles Manson, etc. were simply following their fate. Using the theory of "everything is fated" there is NO reason to punish these people since they were all fated to do what they did and could do NOTHING else. Disciplining and punishing are meant to change people's behavior and create consequences for people doing things that hurt society. If people have no free will then there is NO changing people's behavior (that's all just an illusion) and attempting to do so is just wasted effort.

It's understandable you want people to PRETEND there is free will since, if they live life as it ACTUALLY is (according to your view), they have no personal responsibility and chaos reigns in its place.

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From my point of view you are choosing with your free will choice to not believe in free will choice as free will choice starts from my perspective with the intent/thought/belief which then lays the foundation for action that is supported.

If there is something that one could label as fate then that from my perspective would have been created by free will choice in the first place/beginning and can therefore be changed with free will choice if the person chooses to not buy into the concept of fate with their free will choice.
It is a free will choice to believe in fate and a free will choice to believe in free will which puts people in different realities of power depending on if they lend their power away or if they take ownership of that power from my perspective.

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I agree with Moonkat on a lot of points. If we have free will, would we all not live perfect little lives of our choosing? Fated, we don’t control what happens. We don’t choose to be poor, we choose to be successful. Circumstances or fate, are not our choosing. We don’t choose to be murdered, it happens without our free will. Most would not choose to be incarcerated in jail or insane asylums or prisoner of war camps. So fate would have to be stronger than free will.
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I believe some people believe in fate to get away from choices that their souls may have made a long time ago that make it seems that they are being caused by a lot of troubles when in reality they themselves has caused a lot of harm to themselves and others by their free will choices and it is coming back to them. Calling this fate is in my view to move away from taking responsibility and blocking their ways of healing.

They might call this fate, but I call it universal karma.

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I'm not sure how to explain. I think maybe in a concept as large and universal as fate, that we can't simply view it in such personal humanistic terms as human morality. It's not about culpability. I doubt fate personified really cares about who's to blame. I think people approach the concept from the lens of their own practical subjective experience, whereas I try to look at it from a bird's eye view. At a fundamental level, cognitively, I doubt there is good and evil and the goal is eradication of 'evil', good triumphs over evil doesn't seem accurate when examining forces beyond humanity. There is only polarity and balance imo. You can't have 'good' without 'evil', etc.

I said the illusion of free will is helpful on a practical level and that is true. One of the ways that fate makes one it's subject I think is by facilitating the delusion that it's all about 'you', that it's all about your decisions and your experience, etc. That way you play into fate's hands willingly. People who claim fate is responsible for their lives are not incorrect, but that's just such a reductionist perspective on what is actually happening that I think it's largely unhelpful in informing their daily lives.

In all honesty, the fate vs free will debate is intellectually stimulating to some degree, but largely impractical and uninformative in how one 'should' live their lives.
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Hmmm....Trump's 16 year old employee was recruited by Epstein at Marlago. Of course, the owner of the resort, Epstein's gracious host, who had declared him a "great guy", knew absolutely nothing about it. Absolutely nothing. And, you better believe it!

There is plenty of evidence he was involved with the Clinton's and their foundation. It is funny the media tries to pin down this on Trump
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What's the narrative?
Lets see, two mass shooting occured on the same day:

- One by a white supremacist that supported Trump against.

- One by a progressive antifa socialist that supported Elisabeth Warren.

One got way more cvoverage than the other, and was talked in all news outlets. Guess which? The other one was mentioned in passing. In my country both were reported (by CNN latinamerica) as two attacks by right-wing extremists. The topic of the week was "white-supremacy" and racism, when its clear mass shootings are not related to a particular motive. The tragedy was used by political figures for propaganda more than anything else. Tragic and pathetic.
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There is plenty of evidence he was involved with the Clinton's and their foundation. It is funny the media tries to pin down this on Trump
Actually, the media says Trump is just a "witness" who didn't take advantage of what Epstein had to offer. The woman who says she was a Trump's 16 year-old Marlago employee hasn't accused Trump of complicity either. Trump is on record as calling Epstein a "great guy", but that doesn't necessarily mean he had sex with underage victims.
Bill Clinton hasn't been charged with a crime related to Epstein, as far as I know. Both Clinton and Trump are "innocent" until proven guilty beyond a shadow of a doubt in a court of law.
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Lets see, two mass shooting occured on the same day:

- One by a white supremacist that supported Trump against.

- One by a progressive antifa socialist that supported Elisabeth Warren.

One got way more cvoverage than the other, and was talked in all news outlets. Guess which? The other one was mentioned in passing. In my country both were reported (by CNN latinamerica) as two attacks by right-wing extremists. The topic of the week was "white-supremacy" and racism, when its clear mass shootings are not related to a particular motive. The tragedy was used by political figures for propaganda more than anything else. Tragic and pathetic.
They both got a lot of coverage at first, but the Ohio shooter didn't target immigrants and was immediately shot dead by police.
Has it really been proven he was Antifa? Sounds farfetched.
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Lets see, two mass shooting occured on the same day:

- One by a white supremacist that supported Trump against.

- One by a progressive antifa socialist that supported Elisabeth Warren.

One got way more cvoverage than the other, and was talked in all news outlets. Guess which? The other one was mentioned in passing. In my country both were reported (by CNN latinamerica) as two attacks by right-wing extremists. The topic of the week was "white-supremacy" and racism, when its clear mass shootings are not related to a particular motive. The tragedy was used by political figures for propaganda more than anything else. Tragic and pathetic.
Looked it up. He tweeted support for Antifa, but wasn't a member.
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Can't find any instance of an actual Antifa member committing a homicide.
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