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Thanks to all of you esp. Opal and david starling for this discussion! I wonder if Velikovsky was familiar with any non-monotheistic scriptures? Anyway his work sounds very interesting psychologically.
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They carbon-dated the material the Sphinx was fashioned from. If you use ancient stone to build your fireplace, does that make it an ancient fireplace, built by ancients?


david you have several faults in your logic.
first off carbon dating can not used on stone past a few thousand years.
there is artifact called narmers palette that shows the unification of the two Egypt's by the first king of both lower and upper Egypt . this artifact is on one side a geological representation of Egypt. this artifact predates the age of pyramids by many centuries. on the back side there is a pyramid on the geological representation at near the delta and giza. so how could there be a pyramid noted when pyramids were not existent then?

the ancient Egyptians did not know how to make a pyramids with a slope of 51 degrees. all Egyptian pyramids have a slope of 43.5 degrees, except the Giza pyramids.
The bent pyramid was created at the same time as the collapsed pyramid of King Sneferu .
These pyramids had a slope of over 51 degrees. After the collapsed pyramid collapsed….. the bent pyramid ‘s slope was changed to 43.5 degree slope. The bent pyramid had sated with a slope of over 50 degrees but when the first pyramid collapsed the bent pyramids slope was change from over 50 degrees to 43.5 degrees.
There are no hieroglyphs in the giza pyramids so there no evidence that the Egyptians built the pyramids. These are the only Egyptian pyramids that have no hieroglyphs.
No sarcophagus was found in any of the pyramids, but there was fraud involved in the identification of the kings with the pyramids.
The only reference to Cheops is a stela in front of the sphinx in which he acknowledges that he cleared the sand away from the sphinx in return he was made king.
the geological fact is that on the sphinx there is evidence of a great amount of water erosion.
water erosion tends downward and wind erosion gives stratified levels of erosion./ the water erosion is severe.. thousands of years. but there has not been enough precipitation in the nile valley to cause this much erosions for over 10,000 years when the Sahara desert was an vast inland sea.

these are geological facts. the sphinx has to be over 10,000 at the very least.
of course 300 gallons of kerosene brought down a 100 story building so.....so any fraud can be pasted off.

and of course, there is the small problem that using modern technology, the pyramids could not have been built except maybe within the last 50 years of modern technology.,
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david you have several faults in your logic.
first off carbon dating can not used on stone past a few thousand years.
there is artifact called narmers palette that shows the unification of the two Egypt's by the first king of both lower and upper Egypt . this artifact is on one side a geological representation of Egypt. this artifact predates the age of pyramids by many centuries. on the back side there is a pyramid on the geological representation at near the delta and giza. so how could there be a pyramid noted when pyramids were not existent then?

the ancient Egyptians did not know how to make a pyramids with a slope of 51 degrees. all Egyptian pyramids have a slope of 43.5 degrees, except the Giza pyramids.
The bent pyramid was created at the same time as the collapsed pyramid of King Sneferu .
These pyramids had a slope of over 51 degrees. After the collapsed pyramid collapsed….. the bent pyramid ‘s slope was changed to 43.5 degree slope. The bent pyramid had sated with a slope of over 50 degrees but when the first pyramid collapsed the bent pyramids slope was change from over 50 degrees to 43.5 degrees.
There are no hieroglyphs in the giza pyramids so there no evidence that the Egyptians built the pyramids. These are the only Egyptian pyramids that have no hieroglyphs.
No sarcophagus was found in any of the pyramids, but there was fraud involved in the identification of the kings with the pyramids.
The only reference to Cheops is a stela in front of the sphinx in which he acknowledges that he cleared the sand away from the sphinx in return he was made king.
the geological fact is that on the sphinx there is evidence of a great amount of water erosion.
water erosion tends downward and wind erosion gives stratified levels of erosion./ the water erosion is severe.. thousands of years. but there has not been enough precipitation in the nile valley to cause this much erosions for over 10,000 years when the Sahara desert was an vast inland sea.

these are geological facts. the sphinx has to be over 10,000 at the very least.
of course 300 gallons of kerosene brought down a 100 story building so.....so any fraud can be pasted off.

and of course, there is the small problem that using modern technology, the pyramids could not have been built except maybe within the last 50 years of modern technology.,
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Good evidence the pyramids at Giza were built using concrete, poured into plywood forms. No modern technology needed.
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Good evidence the pyramids at Giza were built using concrete, poured into plywood forms. No modern technology needed.
you totally off line, the material is the least of the problem.

the orientation of the axis, the nearly exact orientation of the sides of the pyramid. these are all archeological standards that could not have been built in modern times until the advent of laser's. the sides which extended over 400 yards were nearly perfectly aligned to a fraction of a inch. this is simply impossible to achieve with or without modern technology.

the mathematics of the pyramid are as much an enigma as the actual construction.

modern concrete has a life of just a little over 100 years before it decays. the romans that a better concrete that we do in modern times. the roman coliseum is nearly 2 thousand years old, some aqueducts are that age and still are functional. I have read the theory that the "Egyptians"used concrete but the quarries that match the rock used in the pyramids are known.

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That's how they determined the age of the Sphinx material as being far older than the Egyptian civilization. So, maybe they got that wrong.
again you reveal you don't know what you are talking about. stone can not be radiocarbon dated so this technique couldn't give a age of the sphinx or the pyramids
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There are Egyptian records concerning the building. But, hey, why not say they were built by ETs or Atlantians? Way more esoteric, right!?
again you are mistaken. there are no records of the pyramids building. there are records of the period supposedly when the pyramid was built but these records are of the labors who built the other structures on the gaza plateu. we are not usually made aware that every square foot of land around and between the pyramids cover ancient tombs of nobles. the pyramids were sacred so nobles wanted to be buried among the pyramids. and therefore there were builder who lived at giza to work on these later tombs. but they did not build the pyramids.
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you totally off line, the material is the least of the problem.

the orientation of the axis, the nearly exact orientation of the sides of the pyramid. these are all archeological standards that could not have been built in modern times until the advent of laser's. the sides which extended over 400 yards were nearly perfectly aligned to a fraction of a inch. this is simply impossible to achieve with out modern technology.

the mathematics of the pyramid are as much an enigma as the actual construction.

modern concrete has a life of just a little over 100 years before it decays. the romans that a better concrete that we do in modern times. the roman coliseum is nearly 2 thousand years old, some aqueducts are that age and still are functional. I have read the theory that the "Egyptians"used concrete but the quarries that match the rock used in the pyramids are known.

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My point of view is that people in past astrological Ages had abilities beyond our comprehension in our own Age. It really was a different world, not just a "primitive" time with less modern technology.

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Thanks to all of you esp. Opal and david starling for this discussion! I wonder if Velikovsky was familiar with any non-monotheistic scriptures? Anyway his work sounds very interesting psychologically.
This book sounds fun:
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velikovsky's father was a eminent Talmudist and there are books older than the torah. velikovsky believed that true monotheism did not come into being until the reign of king Hezekiah

worlds in collision by velikovsky is the source book that these other collision theorists write from.
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velikovsky's father was a eminent Talmudist and there are books older than the torah. velikovsky believed that true monotheism did not come into being until the reign of king Hezekiah

worlds in collision by velikovsky is the source book that these other collision theorists write from.
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Baillie uses evidence from tree-rings to correlate with disasters to human civilization.
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I can't find any reference to a Velikovsky fraud conviction.
Something about not filing Form 463 that the FDA repeatedly requested, I think. I can't locate it again.
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I am trying to locate a video that I watched years ago, maybe on the Discovery or History channel. Some guy was looking at a ancient children's tool kit. There was a tool that no one knew what it was for. He looked at it and had a Eureka moment.

I have tried, and will try to find the video, but shy of that I will try to describe it.

Picture a solid wheel made of stone. For my ease, we will make it 3 feet thick and wide.

Now make a two foot square in the center of the circle.

From the surface of the square draw a line out to the edge of the circle.

Repeat with all four sides of the square.

Now you should have four separate sort of sail looking shapes surrounding the square.

On the 3 foot wide surface of the wheel, there is two grooves that go around the circumference of the wheel, placed 1 foot in on each side.

Now ropes can be placed in these grooves, and two men can easily maneuver a large weighty rock in the center, rather quickly too.

The video shows the test of the theory. I was impressed. It took it to a labour of love, instead of being slaves being whipped and abused to create the masterpieces lost in the time of the ages.

I'll see if I can locate the video. It's better than my telling of it.
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There is always a cornerstone located in the North East corner of every ancient building so that we can tell where North East exactly was at the time of the creation of the building.
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david you have several faults in your logic.
first off carbon dating can not used on stone past a few thousand years.
there is artifact called narmers palette that shows the unification of the two Egypt's by the first king of both lower and upper Egypt . this artifact is on one side a geological representation of Egypt. this artifact predates the age of pyramids by many centuries. on the back side there is a pyramid on the geological representation at near the delta and giza. so how could there be a pyramid noted when pyramids were not existent then?

the ancient Egyptians did not know how to make a pyramids with a slope of 51 degrees. all Egyptian pyramids have a slope of 43.5 degrees, except the Giza pyramids.
The bent pyramid was created at the same time as the collapsed pyramid of King Sneferu .
These pyramids had a slope of over 51 degrees. After the collapsed pyramid collapsed….. the bent pyramid ‘s slope was changed to 43.5 degree slope. The bent pyramid had sated with a slope of over 50 degrees but when the first pyramid collapsed the bent pyramids slope was change from over 50 degrees to 43.5 degrees.
There are no hieroglyphs in the giza pyramids so there no evidence that the Egyptians built the pyramids. These are the only Egyptian pyramids that have no hieroglyphs.
No sarcophagus was found in any of the pyramids, but there was fraud involved in the identification of the kings with the pyramids.
The only reference to Cheops is a stela in front of the sphinx in which he acknowledges that he cleared the sand away from the sphinx in return he was made king.
the geological fact is that on the sphinx there is evidence of a great amount of water erosion.
water erosion tends downward and wind erosion gives stratified levels of erosion./ the water erosion is severe.. thousands of years. but there has not been enough precipitation in the nile valley to cause this much erosions for over 10,000 years when the Sahara desert was an vast inland sea.

these are geological facts. the sphinx has to be over 10,000 at the very least.
of course 300 gallons of kerosene brought down a 100 story building so.....so any fraud can be pasted off.

and of course, there is the small problem that using modern technology, the pyramids could not have been built except maybe within the last 50 years of modern technology.,
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At the very least 10,000 years. I do not think we are within 50 years of being able to create anything on the scale of a real pyramid with stellar alignments though. Would be cool if I am wrong though.
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Rahu,

What do you have on The Key of Mysteries? Anything?
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Thanks to all of you esp. Opal and david starling for this discussion! I wonder if Velikovsky was familiar with any non-monotheistic scriptures? Anyway his work sounds very interesting psychologically.
This book sounds fun:
Baillie, Mike (1999). Exodus to Arthur: Catastrophic Encounters with Comets
I know the name of the author. I am not sure why. Thanks Passiflora, I will be back.
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There's a concerted effort by some to devalue and discredit the great civilization of ancient Egypt. These fringe theories are based on pure speculation from a prejudiced point of view.
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No surprise that an Age of Scorpio would be shrouded in mystery!
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There's a concerted effort by some to devalue and discredit the great civilization of ancient Egypt. These fringe theories are based on pure speculation from a prejudiced point of view.
It has been written and said for a very long time, that the pyramids were gifted by the ancients. Ancient, is a loosely used term. How old is ancient?

What if ancient is over a million years. the people that lived in the area would not be Egyptian. They may well be ancestors of the ancient ones. But they are not the ancient ones.
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No surprise that an Age of Scorpio would be shrouded in mystery!
One of my favorite words.....Shroud.....of Turin......shrouded in mystery......Jacques de Molay.....or Jesus of Nazerene......both were shrouded......
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Thanks to all of you esp. Opal and david starling for this discussion! I wonder if Velikovsky was familiar with any non-monotheistic scriptures? Anyway his work sounds very interesting psychologically.
This book sounds fun:
Baillie, Mike (1999). Exodus to Arthur: Catastrophic Encounters with Comets
I took a course in forest management. Tree ring dating. I read him there. Yes, you can see many things in the rings of the trees. Flood, fire, wind, volcanic debris, pollution.
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It has been written and said for a very long time, that the pyramids were gifted by the ancients. Ancient, is a loosely used term. How old is ancient?

What if ancient is over a million years. the people that lived in the area would not be Egyptian. They may well be ancestors of the ancient ones. But they are not the ancient ones.
The Disco Era is "ancient history" to millenials .
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One Egyptian builder of the Great Pyramid to another: "Dammit! We did too good a job. They'll never believe we could have done this!"
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All right, for the sake of argument , let's say that the Great Pyramid was already there when the Egyptian dynasties began. Now, what prevented them from carving out hieroglyphics on its walls? An ancient Atlantian curse, perhaps?
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All right, for the sake of argument , let's say that the Great Pyramid was already there when the Egyptian dynasties began. Now, what prevented them from carving out hieroglyphics on its walls? An ancient Atlantian curse, perhaps?
Maybe they felt it would detract from their true purpose/beauty. Not everyone likes graffiti. Maybe they communicated in a way that did not require written word. There is a lot of maybes. But I don't think the builders were as modern as Egypt.

What if they are Pre Atlantian?
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One Egyptian builder of the Great Pyramid to another: "Dammit! We did too good a job. They'll never believe we could have done this!"
From an Age of Capricorn perspective, it does seem impossible for such a low-tech civilization to have constructed them. Unless you factor in the Age of Scorpio, which enabled paranormal abilities we no longer possess. Consider the amazing achievements of this Capricornian Age, using technology that spans the globe, and could bring an end to all life on Earth!
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