Scorpio Ascendant

KayBug said:

I have Mars in Libra in the 11th. I don't like any of my friends either. I am and I like being thought of as a *itch. No one bothers me then.

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I guess you're out of luck because *I* like you.

aquarius7000 said:

Well, if you used to be quite an extrovert, then it could really fit with most of your planets in the upper half of your chart. To your Q "But now?" - perhaps this is more of a "transitory" phase.
Or else, look at your chart, perhaps you have the higher octave/ outer planets around your IC/ lower half. It could also be that you have a stellium in either Earth or Water in the lower half or a major planet (like Pluto) as the only planet in Earth or Water in the lower half. If your chart meets either of the criteria, then that would relate to "I must have something powerful on the bottom half of my chart drawing my energy that way".

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Hmmm... my chart is like a bowl running from the 9th house to the 2nd. I only have 3 signs below the horizon, Uranus & Moon in Scorpio & Neptune in Sagittarius.

I have a significant lack of Air signs, though. Only Pluto (& N.Node) in Libra in the 12th.

I would think that having my Sun in Virgo in the 11th would make me very friendly, but not so much. I'm quite antisocial.

Wilmingtonian said:

I have a significant lack of Air signs, though..Only Pluto..I would think that having my Sun in Virgo in the 11th would make me very friendly, but not so much. I'm quite antisocial.

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Hi Tim,
Firstly, lack of Air signs in a chart makes a chart heavier in comparison, as air lends a certain amount of frivolity, outgoingness, diplomacy, makes you more communicative and social, and in general makes the native a more take-it-easy and light-hearted person. Earth and Water make you more self-contained and self-sufficient. Pluto is a generation planet, and its being alone (ignoring the nNode in your case for now) in Libra (Air-Sign) in your chart would not make you as an individual more friendly. Pluto expects the Pluto-Libra generation, however, to learn and exercise tact and diplomacy (by not going to extremes) in one-to-one relationships and partnerships (Libran issues). Btw, if your n-Node is in next to Pluto in Libra, then moderation and tact in your dealing with others is certainly your main task in life.

Secondly, being an extrovert and being 'friendly' are not the same thing.
I have to say that I don't get the impression at all that you are anti-social. Sun in Virgo tends to make one a bit (too) sober in one's dealing with others. Even in friendships and socialising, Virgos can't overcome their calculating and analysing in-born nature, and invariably ask themselves: what is 'this' good for?
I have an Aquarian Sun in H6 (6=Virgo), and despite my Aquarian Sun & Leo Asc, I am not truly an extrovert, and I know what to pin this down to - partially my Sun + Merc in H6, and my Moon (though in 5) in Cap. Coming to the 'friendly' bit, you say you have your Virgo-Sun in H11. Technically planets in H11 (any) would make matters of H11 (independence, friends & socialising..) have importance in the native's life. Having said this, one must surely consider which sign H11 falls into, and which sign(s) the planets of H11 reside in. I am not even considering the aspects these planets have in the chart. H11 in air and fire would make you socially more active and keen than a H11 in earth (few but durable friendships) and water (nurturing friendships).
Taking your example, a Virgo Sun will make you very sober (even shy, and somewhat critically analytical) when it comes to friends and societal issues. However, the very placement of Sun in H11 makes friends, societal and humanitarian issues the (or at least one of the) central theme(s) in your life. This does not mean that you will give or do just about any thing to make friends (in no.s). It's just that these issues (of H11) will hold importance, perhaps be your karma in this life - that what you are expected to achieve.

As I said earlier, my Aquarian Sun in Virgo's H6, doesn't let it be it's most extrovert self (and Sun in 6 in any case makes daily work my central theme). In my H11 (in Gem) I have placement of Saturn, which certainly also complicates matters of H11 (friendships etc) a lot for me. I have few, but quality friends, and in keeping with Saturn, they are mostly much older, and usually live farther away. However, I will (most humbly) call myself a very friendly person. Saturn in H11 (mine is in Gem-Air) does not stop be me being friendly, but gets me few and more matue friends.

Hope I could explain this a bit.

//aquarius

aquarius7000 said:

Well, if you used to be quite an extrovert, then it could really fit with most of your planets in the upper half of your chart. To your Q "But now?" - perhaps this is more of a "transitory" phase.
Or else, look at your chart, perhaps you have the higher octave/ outer planets around your IC/ lower half. It could also be that you have a stellium in either Earth or Water in the lower half or a major planet (like Pluto) as the only planet in Earth or Water in the lower half. If your chart meets either of the criteria, then that would relate to "I must have something powerful on the bottom half of my chart drawing my energy that way".

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I'm a Camelot baby double Skorp/Tau moon born 5:38 am Nov. 21 1961 in Washington, DC. I have 4 Ist house planets (Mars in Sag conj Sun), 3 planets within 3 deg's of my asc, and 4 planets above the horizon. Neptune progressed (yes!) from 12 to I, but Pluto and Uranus are still in my Xth. I've always loved music, and am an accomplished player. I admire many great musicians, as well as leaders and "personalities": Kennedy, King, Ayn Rand. I'm very Nietzschean, and I want very much to be prominent and influential...a ROCKSTAR!. Most of my progressed planets are now in Cap and Aqu, between my 2nd and 3rd houses. Your thoughts on how I can be FAB and FAMOUS? Waitin' for the mania!

aquarius7000 said:

Hi Tim,
Earth and Water make you more self-contained and self-sufficient.

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That fits. All except the name Tim.

aquarius7000 said:

Pluto expects the Pluto-Libra generation, however, to learn and exercise tact and diplomacy (by not going to extremes) in one-to-one relationships and partnerships (Libran issues). Btw, if your n-Node is in next to Pluto in Libra, then moderation and tact in your dealing with others is certainly your main task in life.

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Well, I'm ******. I guess I'll be coming back again to repeat this lesson.

aquarius7000 said:

Hope I could explain this a bit.

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Yes, thank you. I appreciate all of your help.

Re: Earth and Water

Wilmingtonian said:

That fits. All except the name Tim.



Well, I'm ******. I guess I'll be coming back again to repeat this lesson.



Yes, thank you. I appreciate all of your help.

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I'm SERIOUS earth and water: Sun, Asc, Nep, Venus, Merc in Sco; Sat in Cap (yeah, baby); Moon in Taurus (yowza!); and Uranus/Pluto conj in Virgo. All my angular rulers are angular in earth or water. Alabe Vallin 5:38am Nov. 21 1961 Washington, DC. RE-VO-LOOOOOO-SHUN NOW!

Vallin

Wilmingtonian said:

That fits. All except the name Tim.
Well, I'm ******. I guess I'll be coming back again to repeat this lesson.
Yes, thank you. I appreciate all of your help.

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Sorry Wilmingtonian about addressing you as Tim. Guess I confused you with another person on the forum.

Sorry Wilmingtonian about addressing you as Tim. Guess I confused you with another person on the forum.

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Forum members confuse names and other personal details about members pretty often, but just in case you want to know, Tim is wilsontc

Arian Maverick

Arian Maverick said:

Forum members confuse names and other personal details about members pretty often, but just in case you want to know, Tim is wilsontc

Arian Maverick

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Yes, I know, but thanks Arian!

Re: Earth and Water

Vallin said:

I'm SERIOUS earth and water: Sun, Asc, Nep, Venus, Merc in Sco; Sat in Cap (yeah, baby); Moon in Taurus (yowza!); and Uranus/Pluto conj in Virgo. All my angular rulers are angular in earth or water. Alabe Vallin 5:38am Nov. 21 1961 Washington, DC. RE-VO-LOOOOOO-SHUN NOW!

Vallin

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We're kindred spirits. I have heavy Scorpio influences and a lot of Virgo, with a dash of fire thrown in here and there.

Catatonia said:

Not necessarily. You need to look for your Mars placement in your chart to see how to exhibit the Scorpio characteristics. For example, a Mars in Pisces in the 3rd would be VERY different from a Mars in Aries in the 7th.

Look for dignity, angularity by house placement, dispositors, and aspects between dispositors/planets they dispose.

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I have Scorpio Rising and my Mars is in Gemini in the 8th house.

Hello I just like to ask what is the rising you are talking about?
This is my first time with the astrology and I want to learn more.

How about a scorpio sun with scorpio ascendant with venus in the second house?? and venus in capricorn??

To Cryxellis (LOVELY name: what does it mean?)

The Ascendant is the sign and degree of the Sun for the exact time and location of your birth. It opens the Ist "house" of your chart, and is the "doorway" which people perceive you. In northern hemispheres morning/dawn births usually have the Sun in its own sign. Get a copy of your birth certificate, and go to www.alabe.com/free chart or www.astrodienst.com. Follow the prompts. Most good astrology books explain the Asc. and the houses. Joanna Woolfolk's 'The Only Astrology Book You'll Ever Need' is particularly good. Also Lyn Birkbeck has a comprehensive--albeit EXPENSIVE--guide.

Thank you Vallin the name I'm using is from my brother's game character.
And yes it was lovely that is why I ask for his permission to use it in forums
And for the meaning I don't know what it was.

Again thank you for the information. Now I know what it was