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Global Warming is a NWO false flag

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q50Zud-MnI0
renown meteorologist explain the ruse of global warming
start at 7:40 minute mark

here is the video of Inuit elders above the arctic circle revealing the real reason the arctic ice is melting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9xMpTb1k
the next is in the inuit elders own language and own words
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HZ_Dvkxi-8

for that matter if co2 is causing the arctic to melt, then the phenomena should be worldwide... but the Antarctic ice shelves are increasing in ice thickness.............

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member ofof the new world order has suggested that criticizing the global warming theory should be a crime..................what is so special about global warming that it should be a thought crime to disagree. many people disagree with evolution, yet there has never been a suggest to criminalize opposition to the theory of evolution.

so why is there a fascistic reaction against those who reject global warming?

the above post show that there is solid scientific evidence that shows the global warming theory is a sham.

the answer to this question may tie in with the controversy over chemtrails.
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=98721

first off the reasoning for chemtrails is also a sham. coating the earth's atmosphere with aluminum nano particles(not to mention the 1000's of other toxic chemical,viruses,bacteria and bovine and human blood dna) does not cool the earth. in fact , it woukld make the earth warmer because the heat of the radiation of the sun is not able to escape back into space, this is a fact. Chemtrails logic as a tool against global warming is a scientific lie. why are they lying about chemtrail too?

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Global warming study cancelled due to too much ice

You can't make this stuff up.
http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...428030543.html

Maybe the climate change people need to change their narrative to another Ice Age is coming instead. At least there is real science to back that up based on centuries of evidence and not computer models that never pan out.
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Study Finds Temperature Adjustments Account For ‘Nearly All Of The Warming’ In Climate Data

A new study found adjustments made to global surface temperature readings by scientists in recent years “are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data.”

Thus, it is impossible to conclude from the three published [global average surface temperature (GAST)] data sets that recent years have been the warmest ever – despite current claims of record setting warming,” according to a study published June 27 by two scientists and a veteran statistician.
The peer-reviewed study tried to validate current surface temperature datasets managed by NASA, NOAA and the UK’s Met Office, all of which make adjustments to raw thermometer readings. Skeptics of man-made global warming have criticized the adjustments.
Climate scientists often apply adjustments to surface temperature thermometers to account for “biases” in the data. The new study doesn’t question the adjustments themselves but notes nearly all of them increase the warming trend.
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Believe what you want, guys. Global warming is a real phenomenon. Are you saying that instrumental records from weather stations all over the planet are simultaneously lying? What would possibly motivate the scientists who read these records to collectively lie? Logistically, how could they even pull this off?

We have global instrumental data from all over the planet on melting glaciers and ice caps. Visit the Columbia Ice Field in Canada if you don't believe me. I was there in the mid-1970s and a couple of years ago, and the ice retreat is shocking. The glaciers of Glacier National Park in Montana are shrinking, and are projected to be gone by 1940.

This doesn't mean that any given location is getting warmer, due to wave patterns in the jet stream and ocean currents. It means the planet as a whole is getting warmer.

Yes, the planet had warmer periods in the past, like the Carboniferous era and the Hypsothermal spike in temperatures following the Pleistocene. But either no people were around then, or very few. Now the planet has over 7 billion people, many of them living at sea level, which is rising. Or in hot climates (like Arizona,) which are heating up to the point where it's affecting air traffic.

So kiss Mar-A-Lago goodbye.

Follow the money. There isn't a single contributor to global warming, but by far and away the big one is fossil fuel combustion. And if you want a conspiracy theory, look at the petroleum industry. They do a lot of exploration in the Arctic, and are happy that the effects of global warming are first being felt in the Arctic. Not only is the fabled (and normally ice-covered) Northwest Passage on the verge of becoming a viable sea route for oil tankers, but now they can drill for oil farther north than they could do in the past.

Follow the money, hey?

CO2 contents of the atmosphere has been measured for decades. Back in the 1960s, scientists warned about its probable effect. So skip the faux science, and see how you feel when your summer temperatures continuously break new records.

No, the sun is not staying higher in the sky. If it were, you would notice it in Norway and the northern Scottish islands.

Antarctic ice shelves are calving off at an unprecedented rate.

But rahu, it's more than global warming with fossil fuel burning. It's acid deposition, particulate deposition, die-back of vegetation unused to the diet of sulpheric and carbolic acid chemically created in the atmosphere when fossil fuels are burned, and photochemical smog.

If global warming were a sham, you can bet that American climate scientists would be scrambling for grants and contracts paid for by the fossil fuel industry. You don't see this phenomenon. I used to work with climate scientists who went off measuring sea ice, and was married to one for 20 years. These people are conscientious. They are not a pack of liars, which is what you are calling them.

There is a bad apple in every barrel, and Tim Ball is one of them. Teaching undergrads on a small campus is honourable work, but he was never in the forefront of climate science. I knew of Tim Ball during my academic career, and was under the impression that his work was on the history of climate change. Which it was. Not on the science. According to his Wikipedia entry:

" Ball "...never had a reputation in the scientific community as a noted climatologist and authority on global warming," and that he "...is viewed as a paid promoter of the agenda of the oil and gas industry rather than as a practicing scientist."[48] In the ensuing court case, Ball acknowledged that he had only been a professor for eight years, and that his doctorate was not in climatology but rather in geography,[41] and subsequently withdrew the lawsuit on June 8, 2007.[48][51]

In February 2011, it was reported that climate scientist Andrew J. Weaver had sued Ball over an article Ball wrote for the Canada Free Press, an article which was later retracted."

People can dispute global warming all they want. But the Chinese are not stupid. You have to ask yourself why they are turning to solar power.

So just because you've got a new conspiracy theory to tout now, does not mean it is correct.
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rahu, if you're so concerned about the NWO, you might start by looking at the global fossil fuel industry. Maybe start with the American Petroleum Institute, and individual big oil corporations. It's no accident that the current US Secretary of State is from their ranks.
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Waybread, what do you think of carbon taxation?
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http://humansarefree.com/2017/07/dr-...ical.html#more

Dr. Tim Ball (Ph.D. in Historical Climatology) Crushes Climate Change: The Biggest Deception In History
With a 50-year academic career focusing on Historical Climatology, Dr. Tim Ball is uniquely qualified to address man-made climate change, and he demonstrates that it is a flat-out hoax.


They assume that a CO2 increase causes a temperature increase. It doesn’t, in every record the temperature increases before.
CO2Current level of CO2 are close to the lowest level in 400 million years.


The only place where a CO2 increase causes a temperature increase is in the computer models of the IPCC.The peer-reviewed study tried to validate current surface temperature datasets managed by NASA, NOAA and the UK’s Met Office, all of which make adjustments to raw thermometer readings. Skeptics of man-made global warming have criticized the adjustments.
Climate scientists often apply adjustments to surface temperature thermometers to account for “biases” in the data. The new study doesn’t question the adjustments themselves but notes nearly all of them increase the warming trend.



there are 3 kinds of lies.Lies,damned lies and statistic:Mark Twain

the inuit have lived about the arctic circle for 1000's of years. there survival depends on intimate knowledge of their ecosphere
what the have seen is that the sun is rising higher in the sky and heating the ice. this is why it is melting , they also note that the winds to not blow from north to south. for thusands of years they could follow the snow berms created by the wind and in their way amid the unforgiving ice. now the winds blow east to west so that snow berms have changed position and the have had to adapt to the new topography.

.here is the video of Inuit elders above the arctic circle revealing the real reason the arctic ice is melting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9xMpTb1k
the next is in the inuit elders own language and own words
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HZ_Dvkxi-8

this thread has already had post deleted

it was article about Midwestern farmers saying the same thing as the intuits, the sun has changed position and the north pole has move 2-3 degrees to the east

it is pathetic how the racism of some people allows them to dimiss the inuit's first hand observations of the suns changed position out of hand......for course they don't now what they are talking about, they are just savages.


st was of Midwestern farmers

President Trump was correct to withdraw from the Paris Climate Agreement. He could have explained that the science was premeditated and deliberately orchestrated to demonize CO2 for a political agenda.

The plants need more atmospheric CO2 not less. Current levels of 400 parts per million (ppm) are close to the lowest levels in 600 million years.

This contradicts what the world was told by people using the claim that human production of CO2 was causing global warming.

It is impossible to identify the human cause without understanding and including natural causes. Few know that CO2 is only 4 percent of the total greenhouse gases.

the UN agency, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), established to examine human-caused global warming, were limited to only studying human causes by the definition they were given by Article 1 of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC

They assume that a CO2 increase causes a temperature increase. It doesn’t, in every record the temperature increases before CO2.

The only place where a CO2 increase causes a temperature increase is in the computer models of the IPCC.

Those who do express their concern in very blunt terms. Consider German meteorologist and physicist Klaus-Eckart Puls experience.
“Ten years ago, I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day I started checking the facts and data – first I started with a sense of doubt but then I became outraged when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and the media were telling us was sheer nonsense and was not even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day, I still feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations of their science without first checking it.”
He discovered what I exposed publicly for years. My challenge to the government version of global warming became increasingly problematic.

They couldn’t say I wasn’t qualified. Attacks include death threats, false information about my qualifications posted on the Internet, and three lawsuits from IPCC members.

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http://humansarefree.com/2017/06/co2...ange.html#more


Climate change activists have been nutty for much longer than just the recent past.

And science just proved that their crazy and religious belief in a fabricated crisis is actually the one thing that could cause the end of mother nature as we know it.

When it comes to climate change, many take a
fanatical and almost satirical stance.

They worship at the altar of mother earth while praying for her destruction; the decrease of carbon dioxide levels.




In spite of the overwhelming evidence that the increased amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere is encouraging the Earth to grow greener, so-called “climate activists” are still clinging tightly to the long-held belief that carbon evil and must be fought with stolen tax dollars.

“[All] plants depend on CO2 for their very survival. It’s the “oxygen” for plants, and right now trees, grasses, and food crops are starving for CO2 because it sits at nearly the lowest level it has ever been in the history of the Earth (barely above 400 ppm now, when it used to be over 7,000 ppm in the past).”

Plants actually need carbon dioxide as a fuel to maintain their life. Natural News made a good point:

The Paris climate accord — and the liberal media’s outcry following Trump’s decision to disengage from the agreement — is a perfect example of this unwavering belief that carbon dioxide is the cause of our planet’s ailments.

Vladimir Putin:Global Warming is a Fraud

But the fact is, that belief couldn’t be any further from the truth.

It’s actually becoming quite hilarious to watch them flail, and it’s really not a wonder these climate alarmists aren’t being taken seriously anymore.

Research published in the spring of 2016 found that the rising levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) in Earth’s atmosphere has been playing a substantial role in the increasing amount of green space across the globe.

Thirty-two authors, from 24 institutions, from eight different countries, helped to contribute to the massive project. The scientists analyzed 35 years worth of data.

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rahu, let's try sweet reason, shall we?

1. If the sun were somehow seen to be rising higher in the sky in one portion of the Arctic, that would mean a change in the tilt of the earth's axis. It would be detectable throughout the globe. Presumably rising lower in the sky in the Antarctic. Explain to me where else you are seeing these records around the high latitude regions.

I don't know who lined up this special group of Inuit elders, but their ethnic group extends from the Bering Sea off the west coast of Alaska to Greenland; so I don't know how representative they were. Let's even assume they were accurately portrayed (vs. heavily edited,) and completely sincere, but the viewpoint you've showcased is not widely held.

https://skepticalscience.com/Inuit-Climate-Change.html

https://climate.nasa.gov/resources/e...esson2Explain/

Moreover, it wouldn't explain the melt of alpine glaciers at much lower latitudes, like in Montana, the Alps, the Himalayas, and the Andes.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-w...elting-to-come

http://environment.nationalgeographi...alps-meltdown/

http://e360.yale.edu/features/as_him...ce_the_fallout

https://www.newscientist.com/article...just-40-years/

Further, suppose the Inuit elders are right. It's entirely possible that their problems are being compounded simultaneously by global warming. It's not an either/or scenario. Both could conceivably be taking place.

You really need to unpack your Antarctic ice cap claims. There is a way that nature works. So far as scientists are concerned, don't shoot the messenger. Many love their research subjects and speak out against government policies that they find wrong-headed.

Briefly, climatologists work with 30-year running averages on temperature, precipitation, &c; because it's recognized that weather fluctuates in any given year to the next. Snow pack may be greater in one year and less the next. Even if more snow falls on Antarctica itself, it's not being offset by warmer ocean temperatures surrounding it. Once you get cracks in the ice, and warmer water intrudes, you can get major pieces of ice (hundreds of miles across) calving off into the ocean. This is also happening in Greenland. These ice caps contain vast amounts of water, laid down over 10s of thousands of years, so when they melt, sea level rises.

You might be interested in this NASA study, which presents an alternative viewpoint: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard...er-than-losses

Generally when scientists disagree, they keep studying the problem until both sides come to a better understanding of what's going on. Till then, few would argue that there's any wisdom in using our planet as a giant lab experiment, because the signals globally strongly support climate change. Climate models do predict a few spots getting colder (like the Labrador coast,) but these are specific locations in the midst of a much bigger global picture. If the nay-sayers are wrong, it's too late to fix the problem.

Unfortunately, rahu, more snow falling on Antarctica doesn't help out the Inuit in the Arctic or mean that global climate change is not real. Sea level rise happens more uniformly and globally, for example, and much of the Arctic coast is near sea level.

I have to stress that you cannot blame NASA or the Deep State in the US or some such for hiding the truth, because instrumental sea ice, weather, and climate data come from all over the planet. Some of it comes from nations whose governments are not even particularly friendly towards the US, like Russia and China.

Moreover, suppose the film-makers are correct. Scientists working with the Inuit should be able to calculate how much more solar radiation is now coming in than in the past, and to correlate it with changing temperatures, sea ice thickness, and so on. Arctic communities have had weather stations for decades, so there is a long history of climate data, including in places like Norway and Siberia. If the belief in more sunlight is a myth, so be it. If it holds up, it should correlate with actual data.

Ironically, however, in giving credence to the film, you are saying that the climate is changing. (Just that it's not anthropogenic.)

More on Tim Ball and climate modeling in a bit.
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rahu, I don't expect you to let go of a conspiracy theory, once you've adopted it.

I post because other people reading this thread may be persuaded differently.

But seriously, if you're concerned about the NWO, howbeit you look up Big Oil, Big Coal, the American Petroleum Institute, and Rex Tillerson? If you're concerned about America's Deep State, take a look at how other nations are addressing climate change, ranging from Scandinavia to China.
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Did you see the Canadian court decision on this, Rahu? It might actually cheer you.

http://principia-scientific.org/brea...ey-stick-mann/

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http://humansarefree.com/2017/06/co2...ange.html#more


Climate change activists have been nutty for much longer than just the recent past.

And science just proved that their crazy and religious belief in a fabricated crisis is actually the one thing that could cause the end of mother nature as we know it.

When it comes to climate change, many take a
fanatical and almost satirical stance.

They worship at the altar of mother earth while praying for her destruction; the decrease of carbon dioxide levels.




In spite of the overwhelming evidence that the increased amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere is encouraging the Earth to grow greener, so-called “climate activists” are still clinging tightly to the long-held belief that carbon evil and must be fought with stolen tax dollars.

“[All] plants depend on CO2 for their very survival. It’s the “oxygen” for plants, and right now trees, grasses, and food crops are starving for CO2 because it sits at nearly the lowest level it has ever been in the history of the Earth (barely above 400 ppm now, when it used to be over 7,000 ppm in the past).”

Plants actually need carbon dioxide as a fuel to maintain their life. Natural News made a good point:

The Paris climate accord — and the liberal media’s outcry following Trump’s decision to disengage from the agreement — is a perfect example of this unwavering belief that carbon dioxide is the cause of our planet’s ailments.

Vladimir Putin:Global Warming is a Fraud

But the fact is, that belief couldn’t be any further from the truth.

It’s actually becoming quite hilarious to watch them flail, and it’s really not a wonder these climate alarmists aren’t being taken seriously anymore.

Research published in the spring of 2016 found that the rising levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) in Earth’s atmosphere has been playing a substantial role in the increasing amount of green space across the globe.

Thirty-two authors, from 24 institutions, from eight different countries, helped to contribute to the massive project. The scientists analyzed 35 years worth of data.
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it seems all those who have posted and pmed that I am anti Semitic and who have pressured everyone they can to not respond or read my threads, are now reading my threads and responding.....
this thread is over a month old......I wonder why they are changing their tactic's to discredit me.

I still have one question, why don't they condemn or at least acknowledge the racism of the Ashkenazis? of course this is a rhetorical question.


http://humansarefree.com/2017/07/dr-...ical.html#more

Dr. Tim Ball (Ph.D. in Historical Climatology) Crushes Climate Change: The Biggest Deception In History
With a 50-year academic career focusing on Historical Climatology, Dr. Tim Ball is uniquely qualified to address man-made climate change, and he demonstrates that it is a flat-out hoax.


They assume that a CO2 increase causes a temperature increase. It doesn’t, in every record the temperature increases before.
CO2Current level of CO2 are close to the lowest level in 400 million years.


The only place where a CO2 increase causes a temperature increase is in the computer models of the IPCC.The peer-reviewed study tried to validate current surface temperature datasets managed by NASA, NOAA and the UK’s Met Office, all of which make adjustments to raw thermometer readings. Skeptics of man-made global warming have criticized the adjustments.
Climate scientists often apply adjustments to surface temperature thermometers to account for “biases” in the data. The new study doesn’t question the adjustments themselves but notes nearly all of them increase the warming trend.



there are 3 kinds of lies.Lies,damned lies and statistic:Mark Twain

the inuit have lived about the arctic circle for 1000's of years. there survival depends on intimate knowledge of their ecosphere
what the have seen is that the sun is rising higher in the sky and heating the ice. this is why it is melting , they also note that the winds to not blow from north to south. for thusands of years they could follow the snow berms created by the wind and in their way amid the unforgiving ice. now the winds blow east to west so that snow berms have changed position and the have had to adapt to the new topography.

.here is the video of Inuit elders above the arctic circle revealing the real reason the arctic ice is melting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rR9xMpTb1k
the next is in the inuit elders own language and own words
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_HZ_Dvkxi-8

this thread has already had post deleted

it was article about Midwestern farmers saying the same thing as the intuits, the sun has changed position and the north pole has move 2-3 degrees to the east

it is pathetic how the racism of some people allows them to dimiss the inuit's first hand observations of the suns changed position out of hand......for course they don't now what they are talking about, they are just savages.


st was of Midwestern farmers

President Trump was correct to withdraw from the Paris Climate Agreement. He could have explained that the science was premeditated and deliberately orchestrated to demonize CO2 for a political agenda.

The plants need more atmospheric CO2 not less. Current levels of 400 parts per million (ppm) are close to the lowest levels in 600 million years.

This contradicts what the world was told by people using the claim that human production of CO2 was causing global warming.

It is impossible to identify the human cause without understanding and including natural causes. Few know that CO2 is only 4 percent of the total greenhouse gases.

the UN agency, the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), established to examine human-caused global warming, were limited to only studying human causes by the definition they were given by Article 1 of the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change (UNFCCC

They assume that a CO2 increase causes a temperature increase. It doesn’t, in every record the temperature increases before CO2.

The only place where a CO2 increase causes a temperature increase is in the computer models of the IPCC.

Those who do express their concern in very blunt terms. Consider German meteorologist and physicist Klaus-Eckart Puls experience.
“Ten years ago, I simply parroted what the IPCC told us. One day I started checking the facts and data – first I started with a sense of doubt but then I became outraged when I discovered that much of what the IPCC and the media were telling us was sheer nonsense and was not even supported by any scientific facts and measurements. To this day, I still feel shame that as a scientist I made presentations of their science without first checking it.”
He discovered what I exposed publicly for years. My challenge to the government version of global warming became increasingly problematic.

They couldn’t say I wasn’t qualified. Attacks include death threats, false information about my qualifications posted on the Internet, and three lawsuits from IPCC members.

http://humansarefree.com/2017/06/co2...ange.html#more


Climate change activists have been nutty for much longer than just the recent past.

And science just proved that their crazy and religious belief in a fabricated crisis is actually the one thing that could cause the end of mother nature as we know it.

When it comes to climate change, many take a
fanatical and almost satirical stance.

They worship at the altar of mother earth while praying for her destruction; the decrease of carbon dioxide levels.




In spite of the overwhelming evidence that the increased amount of carbon dioxide in our atmosphere is encouraging the Earth to grow greener, so-called “climate activists” are still clinging tightly to the long-held belief that carbon evil and must be fought with stolen tax dollars.

“[All] plants depend on CO2 for their very survival. It’s the “oxygen” for plants, and right now trees, grasses, and food crops are starving for CO2 because it sits at nearly the lowest level it has ever been in the history of the Earth (barely above 400 ppm now, when it used to be over 7,000 ppm in the past).”

Plants actually need carbon dioxide as a fuel to maintain their life. Natural News made a good point:

The Paris climate accord — and the liberal media’s outcry following Trump’s decision to disengage from the agreement — is a perfect example of this unwavering belief that carbon dioxide is the cause of our planet’s ailments.

Vladimir Putin:Global Warming is a Fraud

But the fact is, that belief couldn’t be any further from the truth.

It’s actually becoming quite hilarious to watch them flail, and it’s really not a wonder these climate alarmists aren’t being taken seriously anymore.

Research published in the spring of 2016 found that the rising levels of carbon dioxide (CO2) in Earth’s atmosphere has been playing a substantial role in the increasing amount of green space across the globe.

Thirty-two authors, from 24 institutions, from eight different countries, helped to contribute to the massive project. The scientists analyzed 35 years worth of data.



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I think we need to get off the personalities in the climate change debate. Scientists, being only human, sometimes go overboard. Climate change deniers, being only human, sometimes go overboard. But this is a mere sideshow to the real issue of what is happening to the planet, home to over 7 billion people.

Rahu, long ago and far away, my academic love was ecology. Also, I was married to a climatologist for 20 years. We talked shop a lot, I met climate scientists socially through them, we talked shop, and I've kept up a general interest in the topic, long after I recognized that I was not going to become a cutting-edge scientist myself.

Also, most academics get involved in hiring committees, promotion and tenure committees, grant application review panels, and other activities where they learn to sift through the really top-drawer work in a field from research that is not meeting the best standards.

Here is Tim Ball's CV: I hope it's up to date (last entry in 2011.) He seems to have retired in 1996, a date consistent with his age. It's enough to give you the general impression of his scholarship:

http://drtimball.com/_files/dr-tim-ball-CV.pdf

If you scroll part way down, you'll see the topic of Ball's dissertation:

"Climatic Change in Central Canada: A Preliminary Analysis of Weather Information
from Hudson's Bay Company Forts at York Factory and Churchill Factory, 1714-1850,
unpublished Ph.D. Thesis, University of London, England."

I believe this was in the geography department, not specifically in meteorology, which is sometimes offered as its own field, sometimes offered in departments of geography, geology (earth science,) and even physics.

Tim Ball was recognized back-then as someone doing good research on climate history. He looked at historical records for weather descriptions and recorded temperature data. Obviously nobody working for the Hudson's Bay Company in the 18th and 19th centuries knew anything about the jet stream or other major forcing functions of the earth's climate.

If you read through this CV, you will find some interesting studies in a field that might best be called environmental history. It isn't cutting edge meteorology. We don't find Ball's work appearing in top-drawer journals like Science or Nature. Most of his research that did not come from his dissertation is published in regional journals.
(The Beaver is the history and geographical magazine of the Hudson's Bay Company.) He's got two articles in 1990 where he raises concern about objectivity in climate change research. But most of what he's got in his cv is environmental history. He has no specific hands-on research listed on climate change. This might be something like looking at ice cap or sea level change, tree ring or ice core analysis, changing ocean temperatures, changing snowpack albedo, chemical composition of air or water samples, and so on. This type of research is expensive, which is why Ball's lack of grant listings is noteworthy.

It is from such data, as well as monitoring instrumental data from satellites and weather stations that climate models are constructed. There's nothing inherently suspect about models. Your daily weather forecast is in part based upon models, as are many other things in your daily life. You've heard of business models, for example. The question is whether a model accurately predicts the change that subsequently takes place.

He doesn't list any major research grants as a faculty member. His "gold medal" appears to have been from his student days. As a retiree in 1996, it would have been more difficult but not impossible for him to get grants on the type of cutting edge climate change research that might have put him in the forefront of this field.

So please take what Tim Ball says with a grain of salt. Because other meteorologists and climatologists with much more knowledge of the science than Ball displayed during his career are saying the opposite.

CO2 does a bunch of stuff once it winds up in the atmosphere. There is some evidence of a "greening" effect, in which the carbon gets sequestered in vegetation through photosynthesis. This would be great, except that deforestation and ocean pollution are removing some of the great natural carbon sinks: the TRF and ocean algae.

It should also be noted that C02 is not the only greenhouse gas. But it is the major one.

Rahu, nobody is suggesting that Inuit people are a bunch of ignorant savages. In fact, you're the one who brought up this trope.
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Waybread, what do you think of carbon taxation?
Ideally, people would just have the sense and good will to voluntarily reduce carbon emissions. Unless or until this happens, the fact that many nations and organizations support it suggests that it could be effective.

I should reiterate that what goes out of the tailpipe of your car or up the smokestack of a coal-fired power plant isn't just C02. There are other products of combustion. Some of them are present as impurities, such as particulates and sulfur. Sulfuric acid occurs when this sulfur interacts with water in the atmosphere. Some of them combine with sunlight and chemicals natural to the environment to produce photochemical smog-- the kind that blankets Los Angeles.

So there are important reasons to reduce carbon emissions, independently of the greenhouse gas problem.
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Hi Tigress Waybread, ha ha!

Apart from fossil fuel, steadily tropical rain forests are going, which convert C02 into Oxygen, there was a time when dragonflies could have 28 inch wingspan, we don't want that but there was much more oxygen then, which helps with growth, however our populations are growing and we need to have air also!

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I'm not a fan of secret societies, but perhaps in gentle measure, the inscriptions on the Georgia Guidestones are partly true, but we couldn't limit humanity under 500,000,000, that is impossible, and very dark if we tried!

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Tigress? Hmm.... Moon in Leo.

I do care passionately about this beautiful planet of hours. Giant dragonflies would be spooky, but humans are decreasing biodiversity through habitat disruption, so they're not likely to return. And giant dragonflies would not be as bad as the warm desert areas of the earth routinely having temperatures of 140F. Oh, like Arizona.

One problem I might mention is agriculture. Crops are bred for particular climate conditions and in a more volatile climate scenario, it becomes really difficult to know what to plant where. Not to mention the effects of periodic droughts.
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Study Finds Temperature Adjustments Account for ‘Nearly All of the Warming’ in Climate Data

A new study found adjustments made to global surface temperature readings by scientists in recent years “are totally inconsistent with published and credible U.S. and other temperature data

“Thus, it is impossible to conclude from the three published [global average surface temperature (GAST)] data sets that recent years have been the warmest ever – despite current claims of record setting warming,” according to a study published June 27 by two scientists and a veteran statistician.

The peer-reviewed study tried to validate current surface temperature datasets managed by NASA, NOAA and the UK’s Met Office, all of which make adjustments to raw thermometer readings. Skeptics of man-made global warming have criticized the adjustments.

Basically, “cyclical pattern in the earlier reported data has very nearly been ‘adjusted’ out” of temperature readings taken from weather stations, buoys, ships and other sources.


Nearly all of the warming they are now showing are in the adjustments,” Meteorologist Joe D’Aleo, a study co-author, told The Daily Caller News Foundation in an interview. “Each dataset pushed down the 1940s warming and pushed up the current warming.”

Their study found measurements “nearly always exhibited a steeper warming linear trend over its entire history,” which was “nearly always accomplished by systematically removing the previously existing cyclical temperature pattern.”

“The conclusive findings of this research are that the three [global average surface temperature] data sets are not a valid representation of reality,” the study found
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Well, Duh, uh, rahu. Look at your source. Its lead articles are on your favourite conspiracy theories.

I googled your source Joe D'Aleo, and found this nugget on his Wikipedia entry:

"D'Aleo is a signatory to the Cornwall Alliance's "Evangelical Declaration on Global Warming." The declaration states:

"'We believe Earth and its ecosystems — created by God’s intelligent design and infinite power and sustained by His faithful providence — are robust, resilient, self-regulating, and self-correcting, admirably suited for human flourishing, and displaying His glory. Earth's climate system is no exception.''"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_D%27Aleo

I don't know if you subscribe to the Christian evangelical view about climate change, but many of them have an article of faith --not scientific evidence-- that God will look after the climate. (So don't worry your pretty little head about it.) These are the same people who are still mad at Charles Darwin.

In actuality, the Bible shows just the opposite. In the Deuteronomy, God tells the Israelites that if they disobey the commandments they will be punished with drought.

Here, further, are D'Aleo's articles of faith:

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Temperatures have been cooling since 2002, even as carbon dioxide has continued to rise.
Carbon dioxide is a trace gas and by itself will produce little warming. Also, as CO2 increases, the incremental warming is less, as the effect is logarithmic so the more CO2, the less warming it produces.
Not really. Climatologists work with 30-year running averages. In any given decade you might well find a cooling trend, but over the past century these have been countered by warming trends, on a 30-year running average basis. (Think, rahu: why else would North America's alpine glaciers be shrinking, were this not the case?)

His concept of a logarithmic scale doesn't hold, because if you've already got severe CO2 loading, it's still too much even if the rate of accumulation slows down. C02 molecules are relatively stable, so once they're in the atmosphere, they're the "gift that keeps on giving." The impact of C02 in the atmosphere isn't a function of its comparatively low percentage of the atmosphere compared to nitrogen or oxygen. It's a function of what C02 does when heat re-radiated from the earth's surface gets trapped by its exceptional ability to trap heat. [This also happens with some other molecules like water vapour, so warming ocean temperatures are of concern, as more evaporation occurs.

In the mid-19th century when scientists first began measuring the chemical content of the atmosphere, it had about 270 ppm of C02. Today the figure is around 400 ppm. https://scied.ucar.edu/longcontent/greenhouse-effect These figures fluctuate somewhat annually and seasonally, so again-- look at longer-term running averages.


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Ditto. The other thing I'd point out is that C02 is the major greenhouse gas, but it's not the only one. As the Arctic permafrost melts, it is expected to release large quantities of methane.

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Reconstruction of paleoclimatological CO2 concentrations demonstrates that carbon dioxide concentration today is near its lowest level since the Cambrian Era some 550 million years ago, when there was almost 20 times as much CO2 in the atmosphere as there is today without causing a “runaway greenhouse effect.”
Yes, of course, C02 is naturally occurring, but not at our present atmospheric concentrations. There is some evidence today of a "green-up" effect in natural vegetation as it absorbs higher levels C02 through photosynthesis. Unfortunately the major carbon sinks are the TRF, which we're losing to deforestation; and ocean algae, which we're polluting. Ecosystems without a lot of leaf surface, like crop land, range land, and desert, do not trap that much C02; and then our agricultural systems tend to be fossil fuel-intensive. So the net effect is not promising.

But rahu, you can't have it both ways. Recently you criticized (via Tim Ball) climate modeling. Yet climate modeling is the only way in which you can estimate what temperatures and C02 concentrations might have been like in pre-human geologic periods. If you look at how climate data are graphically displayed, it's a running curve, so it becomes a real chicken-and-egg question about higher temps preceding higher C02 levels if you choose too short a time span.

Further, back when the dinosaurs were around, there was a lot more biomass to absorb C02 through photosynthesis.

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Temperature changes lead, not lag, CO2 changes on all time scales. The oceans may play a key role, emitting carbon dioxide when they warm as carbonated beverages lose fizz as they warm and absorbing it as they cool.
Nice that he recognizes that warming oceans may play a role. They happen to cover about 3/4 of the earth's surface.
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Nobel Laureate in Physics; "Global Warming is Pseudoscience"
Professor Ivar Giaever, the 1973 Nobel Prizewinner for Physics trashes the global warming/climate change/extreme weather pseudoscientific clap-trap and tells Obama he is "Dead Wrong".
This was the 2012 meeting of Nobel Laureates.

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Ivar Giaever is talking through his hat. His Nobel Prize was awarded in 1973, for research on "experimental discoveries regarding tunnelling phenomena in superconductors."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivar_Giaever

https://skepticalscience.com/ivar-gi...scientist.html

He has no expertise in meteorology or climatology. At a panel when he was asked to speak on it, he allowed as how he had studied climate change for a day and a half prior to presenting himself as an expert.

C'mon, rahu. You've got to do better than this to make your case. Maybe you'd like to start by studying how the climate actually works.
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94 scientists ,7 former astronauts and 2 administrators at nasa sent a letter to nasa administration admonishing them for advocating global warning, there is not scientific evidence.
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It would help tremendously if the Global Warming folks weren't so dishonest.

You're in an Inter-Glacial Period. Temperatures are supposed to rise. Glaciers and ice sheets are supposed to melt.

What happened during the Last Inter-Glacial Period?

The NEEM paradox has emerged from an estimated large local warming above the preindustrial level (7.5 ± 1.8 °C at the deposition site 126 kyr ago without correction for any overall ice sheet altitude changes between the LIG and the preindustrial period) based on water isotopes, together with limited local ice thinning, suggesting more resilience of the real Greenland ice sheet than shown in some ice sheet models.

http://www.clim-past.net/12/1933/2016/

7.5°C corresponds to 13.5°F warmer.

Note that the pre-industrial period is pegged at 13.8°C or 56.8°F, so add 56.8°F + 13.5°F = 70.3°F.

And what happened during the Inter-Glacial Period before that?

Estimates indicate that the MIS 11 high sea stand likely was at least + 9 m (relative to present sea level) and could have been as high as + 24 m. The most conservative estimates of palaeo-sea level during MIS 11 would require an ice mass loss equivalent to all of the modern Greenland and West Antarctic ice sheets; the more extreme estimates would require additional ice mass loss from the East Antarctic ice sheet.

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science...99?np=y#bb0280Again, that's the norm...that's what is supposed to happen during an Inter-Glacial Period.In fact, data for each of the previous 8 Inter-Glacial Periods proves that temperatures were warmer than present.The question everyone should be asking is, "Why is it colder during this Inter-Glacial Period?"

It is suspicious that the Global Warming crowd refuses to acknowledge those Truths and misleads the general public about the nature of Inter-Glacial Periods.
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Apart from fossil fuel, steadily tropical rain forests are going, which convert C02 into Oxygen, there was a time when dragonflies could have 28 inch wingspan, we don't want that but there was much more oxygen then, which helps with growth, however our populations are growing and we need to have air also!

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