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Re: Thema Mundi: an alternate to natural house rulers?

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(a) planets located in ANY Cadent house direct their energies away from the native and towards others instead

(b) planets located in ANY Cadent house produce few, if any events
and/or are unlikely and/or less likely to produce many/if any events

(c) Cadent houses are the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th"


Why 5th JupiterASC? What am I missing?


So you noticed the deliberate mistake which means you read my post
Siriusly
You missed nothing, but instead are on target

The Cadents are 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th
and thanks for helping me to correct that error
the comment is from the HELLENISTIC DELINEATION discussion
at
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So you noticed the deliberate mistake which means you read my post
Siriusly
You missed nothing, but instead are on target

The Cadents are 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th
and thanks for helping me to correct that error
the comment is from the HELLENISTIC DELINEATION discussion
at
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum/showthread.php?t=43920


Phew....I panicked at 3 am . Thanks for more reading material - that one takes it from the 'beginning' - cool.
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Join Patricia Awyan as she walks you through the Zodiac found on the ceiling
of the PRONAOS OF HATHOR TEMPLE IN DENDERA
Learn how the Ancients used symbolism to tell a greater story
- the story of consciousness and creation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iabPmxh9tc4

even Diodorus Siculus explained
in his work BIBLIOTHECA HISTORICA FIRST BOOK CHAPTER LXXXI

"There is no country where the position and movements of celestial bodies are observed with greater accuracy than in Egypt"

The ancient Egyptians were such advanced astronomers
that they even identified the modern constellations as we see them
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There are some indications that the Ancient-Egyptians may have been able to recognize Ouranos as a Planet, even though Greek Astrologers could only see it as a very faint star.
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There are some indications that the Ancient-Egyptians may have been able to recognize Ouranos as a Planet
even though Greek Astrologers could only see it as a very faint star.
link to your sources would be useful
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I understand that
(a) planets located in ANY Cadent house direct their energies away from the native and towards others instead.

(b) planets located in ANY Cadent house produce few, if any events
and/or are unlikely and/or less likely to produce many/if any events

(c) Cadent houses are the 3rd, 6th, 9th and 12th

Therefore any planets located in the 12th (or any other Cadent house) in Hellenistic astrology direct their energies away from the native. When considering the malefics, this is regarded - in a sense - as good for the native
.

However, I assume that if the native then somehow causes harm to others in any way, then obviously the native suffers the consequences of their actions
. Thus receiving consequences of the action of malefics in 12th or any other Cadent house

Configuration and/or aspects between domicile and exaltation lords of malefics in 12th would require additional study.


Benefics in 12th (or any other Cadent House) also direct their energies away from the native so this is regarded - in a sense - as not so good for the native.

However, the native may 'do good work for the benefit of others' and thus may receive some 'indirect' reward. There are additional considerations such as planetary aspect or configuration between domicile and exaltation lords.


Although the 9th house is a Cadent House it is configured to the Ascendant and thus my understanding is that any planets located in 9th are therefore potentially able to do business: the 3rd is also Cadent yet configured to the Ascendant although the extent to which planets are fit to do business when located therein requires more research as it seems likely to be yet another of those areas where, for excellent and interesting reasons, opinions tend to differ
Thank you for this is very thoughful post. It make a sense why malefics considered joyful in cadent house. However, I noticed in Thema Mundi 6th house and 9th house naturally ruled by Jupiter. This following picture would be helpful :



courtesy by DEMETRA GEORGE https://rubedo.press/propaganda/2018...rst-five-steps

For me personally I don't understand why 6th house and 9th house considered as "cadent house" [lame house from my own understanding] despite naturally ruled by Jupiter? Which is so-called benefic star in it's nature by one of Hellenistic astrologers.

QUOTE "Jupiter indicates childbearing, engendering, desire, loves, political ties, acquaintance, friendships with
great men, prosperity, salaries, great gifts, an abundance of crops, justice, offices, officeholding, ranks,
authority over temples, arbitrations, trusts, inheritance, brotherhood, fellowship, beneficence, the secure
possession of goods, relief from troubles, release from bonds, freedom, deposits in trust, money,
stewardships, Of the external body parts it rules the thighs and the feet. (Consequently in the games
Jupiter governs the race.)" END OF QUOTE
Source : http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf

Please if any members who have a greater understanding on Thema Mundi to explain this. Thank you in advance.
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Thank you for this is very thoughful post. It make a sense why malefics considered joyful in cadent house. However, I noticed in Thema Mundi 6th house and 9th house naturally ruled by Jupiter. This following picture would be helpful :



courtesy by DEMETRA GEORGE https://rubedo.press/propaganda/2018...rst-five-steps

For me personally I don't understand why 6th house and 9th house considered as "cadent house" [lame house from my own understanding] despite naturally ruled by Jupiter? Which is so-called benefic star in it's nature by one of Hellenistic astrologers.

QUOTE "Jupiter indicates childbearing, engendering, desire, loves, political ties, acquaintance, friendships with
great men, prosperity, salaries, great gifts, an abundance of crops, justice, offices, officeholding, ranks,
authority over temples, arbitrations, trusts, inheritance, brotherhood, fellowship, beneficence, the secure
possession of goods, relief from troubles, release from bonds, freedom, deposits in trust, money,
stewardships, Of the external body parts it rules the thighs and the feet. (Consequently in the games
Jupiter governs the race.)" END OF QUOTE
Source : http://www.csus.edu/indiv/r/rileymt/...s%20entire.pdf

Please if any members who have a greater understanding on Thema Mundi to explain this. Thank you in advance.
Sun,
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9th IS Cadent
HOWEVER
9th being trigon ascendant
is considered "best" of Cadent houses

also

THEMA MUNDI Jupiter-ruled PISCES is on 9th







THEMA MUNDI ancient astrological teaching tool has multiple layers of meaning
check significations of 9th







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THEMA MUNDI





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Re: Thema Mundi: an alternate to natural house rulers?

Many layers to explore
earlier on this thread tsmall highlights
that Libra is the Exaltation of Saturn
and so
Thema Mundi Saturn "....is exalted by Venus
in the house that signifies home roots"
- particularly appropriate
since Venus is one of the significations of the mother
uniting the parental significations associated with the 4th
as well as highlighting Saturns affiliation with death
because 4th is the "house of endings" among other things

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...If you look at the Thema chart, take the 4th house.
Libra, ruled by Venus
(one of the traditional significations of the mother),
the exaltation of Saturn.
If we play with the ideas a bit, Libra is the natural 4th house.
Saturn (the father) has a natural affinity with the 4th
(well, that makes a ton of sense, now doesn't it?)
and is exalted by Venus in the house that signifies "home/roots."
This also gives us Saturn's affiliation with death, as
the 4th represents death among other things.
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Either you use the traditional planet Thema Mundi, the modern planet version, or the proposal to give Taurus and Virgo two planets each, while this link shows this is already done for Scorpio, Aquarius and Pisces.

https://www.liveabout.com/ruling-pla...-signs-4686674

JupiterASC, the chart of the world shows both the Moon and rising point is at 15' Cancer, but I suggest the Moon is at 22' Leo, Mercury should be 15' Virgo and Venus at 10' Libra. In astronomy, Mercury is never beyond 27' of the Sun and Venus is never beyond 47' of the Sun as well. All the planets are below the astronomical horizon to not be visible in the sky at the time of the sun at 2nd house (early morning hours). Due to the sun's astronomical degree, the day has to be on August 15th and the moon is in a waning crescent (26th day of the lunar month) which rises before sunrise. And I can't determine the year when the thema mundi happened, but I guess 12-13,000 years ago, so the date of the "beginning of the world" in astrology is in the Virgo age (March 20 equinox) - it has to be on the month of March, 10 days before the northern spring starts.
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Sun,
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9th IS Cadent
HOWEVER
9th being trigon ascendant
is considered "best" of Cadent houses

also

THEMA MUNDI Jupiter-ruled PISCES is on 9th







THEMA MUNDI ancient astrological teaching tool has multiple layers of meaning
check significations of 9th







Other qualities of the houses in an astrological wheel in natal charts to add:
1st - Individuality and soul (house under Aries, naturally the ascendant).
2nd - Wealth, Culinary or food, fashion and Luxury (house under Taurus).
3rd - Communities and neighborhoods (house under Gemini, usual place for IC. Gemini has a partial feminine nature, note the twins and ruled by Mercury).
4th - Relationship with the mother, and looking to the past (house under Cancer, usual place for IC. Where's the father house? Ruled by the Moon).
5th - Pregnancy, romance, relationships and expansion (house under Leo - more Cancerian and like the 3rd, it seems Cancerian as well, ruled by Sun).
6th - Addiction and disease (house under Virgo, nearing the descendant).
7th - Desires and looking to the future (house under Libra, the "midpoint").
8th - Sexuality, dark arts, family inheritance and taboos (house under Scorpio, a malefic house like the 6th and 12th, and ruled either by Mars and Pluto).
9th - Religion (house under Sagittarius, usual place for MC or midheaven).
10th - Business (house under Capricorn, usual place for MC or midheaven).
11th - Unique, bizarre and comical (house under Aquarius, our current age).
and 12th - Prisons and hospitals (house under Pisces, the final one or ending).
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Either you use the traditional planet Thema Mundi....................
JupiterASC, the chart of the world

shows both the Moon and rising point is at 15' Cancer,
Thema Mundi ancient astrological teaching tool
with rising degree as illustrated








https://www.astrologyweekly.com/foru...739#post920739

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Introduction to Hellenistic Astrology Part III - Theoretical Considerations


I - Life, Appearance, Siblings - Early
II - Livelihood, Wealth, Expectations - After Early
III - Relatives, Partnership, Weakness - Before End
IV - Parents, Household, Mysticism - End
V - Fortune, Beneficence, Legacy - After End
VI - Injury, Enmity, Servants - Before Later
VII - Affairs, Success, Living Abroad - Later
VIII - Property, Acquisition, Inheritance - After Later
IX - Travel, Education, Inaction - Before Middle
X - Action, Rank, Children - Middle
XI - Friendship, Opportunities, Gifts - After Middle
XII - Suffering, Maleficence, Enemies - Before Early

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The Thema Mundi astrological alignment was supposed to already took place on...Sep 11, 6,019 (or 6,060) BCE, going by the esoteric calendar, but the rising of the brightest magnitude star Sirius was to mark their new year in ancient astrology started 2,000 years ago when Sep 11 was when the sun is in Virgo (today it is in Leo).
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Our 7th house is our biggest desires and 12th house is our deepest secrets, but there are no planets in my 7th (deepest angle) and 12th houses (bad spirit) on the natal chart. If anyone has a 17' 33" Capricorn descendant (7th goes up to 17'33" Aquarius), it relates to sciences, government leadership and businesses. And the 12th house from 17'33" Gemini down to 17'33" Cancer (ascendant), a tendency about a "double life" and one of identifying as the opposite gender (I'm genderfluid, identifies as a biological male and female, but hetero-oriented).

Edit: In my natal chart, Juno (14' Cancer in 12th) conjuncts Ascendant (17'33" Cancer) and the Moon barely on the cusp 7th/8th (in 20' Aquarius).
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