Random presidential thoughts

[Moondancing]

Originally Posted by david starling

Just look up the history of how the Electoral College was created. It's not just my "opinion". Never heard of that last one. Where did you see it?

The basis of this idea is that some of the founders were slave holders and therefore the Constitution and the election process are a product of slavery. This completely lacks understanding what our nation was working to build. Yes there was slavery and compromises were made but to hold the view it permeated every aspect of our building this country and needs to be discarded is reckless thinking, imo.

In considering how a president would be elected, the small states, whether they had slaves or not, were worried about a simple popular vote. In those days what the states held above all else was their sovereignty and they feared large states would outvote them time and again. "The Electoral College was a way to balance power between large and small states in America's new experiment in self-governance." In my humble opinion, that makes more sense to me than fearing slaves. To me it's has stood the test of time.

We never heard of the impeachment of people out of office because I don't know that it has ever been considered and I'm sure it would be debated virgorously. But, William Murphy, professor of American History at the State University of New York, stated that former officials like Biden may also be impeached after they leave office. Also Harvard Law School Professor Cass R. Sunstein, a prominent Democrat who served in the Obama White House and wrote Impeachment: A Citizen’s Guide (2017). Republicans would never consider such action.

[david starling]

Originally Posted by Moondancing

The basis of this idea is that some of the founders were slave holders and therefore the Constitution and the election process are a product of slavery. This completely lacks understanding what our nation was working to build. Yes there was slavery and compromises were made but to hold the view it permeated every aspect of our building this country and needs to be discarded is reckless thinking, imo.

In considering how a president would be elected, the small states, whether they had slaves or not, were worried about a simple popular vote. In those days what the states held above all else was their sovereignty and they feared large states would outvote them time and again. "The Electoral College was a way to balance power between large and small states in America's new experiment in self-governance." In my humble opinion, that makes more sense to me than fearing slaves. To me it's has stood the test of time.

We never heard of the impeachment of people out of office because I don't know that it has ever been considered and I'm sure it would be debated virgorously. But, William Murphy, professor of American History at the State University of New York, stated that former officials like Biden may also be impeached after they leave office. Also Harvard Law School Professor Cass R. Sunstein, a prominent Democrat who served in the Obama White House and wrote Impeachment: A Citizen’s Guide (2017). Republicans would never consider such action.

We already have a way to balance power, because each State gets 2 Senators, regardless of population. Every other elected office in the nation is decided by Popular vote. And, since the President represents and serves the entire country instead of a single State, the Presidency should be decided by the Popular vote of the entire country.
The Slave-States insisted on the Electoral College before they would ratify the Constitution. The single reason was, they feared an antiSlavery President.
The Republican Party is benefiting from the split between the Electoral and Popular votes, which originally appeared to occur in the Gore/Bush campaign*, and became much larger in the last Presidential election. Since you're a Republican, you WOULD say the Electoral College has stood the test of time, since it has recently benefited the Republican candidates. But, when it appeared that Romney would win the 2012 Popular vote (which ended up not being the case) and lose the Electoral vote, Trump himself declared the E.C. should be abolished!

*Gore ended up winning the Popular vote in Florida, which should have meant he won the Electoral College vote also, but by the time the recount was finished it was too late. And, the "non-Partisan" Supreme Court, in a 5 to 4 decision, denied a timely recount--get this--on the grounds that it would "harm the interests of George W. Bush"! Unbelievable!

[JUPITERASC]

Tom Fitton: Obama White House Logs Detail Meetings of Alleged Whistleblower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tYag5w8nb2w

[Moondancing]

Soon enough you'll have Texas (Beto almost beat Cruz) and you will have the electoral college and popular vote sewn up. Never know how history will evolve.

[Moondancing]

The National Popular Vote is an idea to get behind.

"The National Popular Vote would create incentives to campaign nationally since getting ten more votes in Arkansas would be as beneficial as getting 10 more votes in Ohio. You would see the Democratic candidate campaigning in Texas and the Republican candidate campaigning in California. This would increase the likelihood that voters would feel they can have an influence on the election and in turn increase voter participation."

https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/...y-2018-9-6.pdf

[david starling]

As it is now, millions of voters are essentially disenfranchised, because if their State is even just above 50% of the Popular vote for one candidate, ALL the Electoral votes go to that candidate. In California, Republican voters earn NO Electoral votes for their candidate, even though they make up about 30% of the total Popular vote--all the Electoral votes go to the Democratic candidate for President. And, vice versa in Red States.

[JUPITERASC]

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Tom Fitton: Joe Biden Admits
To Doing 'EXACTLY' What Nancy Pelosi is Accusing President Trump Of!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gnZBa1Bsp5U

[JUPITERASC]

The whistleblower did not think this through: Former CIA whistleblower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHH5-GSoRRY

[JUPITERASC]

[david starling]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

TrumpMonsanto!

[JUPITERASC]

[ynnest]

President Trump and his polls are going to come out even STRONGER when this impeachment hoax is over and his innocence is proven once again!

Make America Great again! Trump for president 2020!

Y

[ynnest]

Who else is NOT tired of WINNING!?

Trump 2020!!

Y

[david starling]

Trump is slicker than deer guts on a doorknob! And even more disgusting!

[SunConjunctUranus]

Originally Posted by JUPITERASC

But the person on left side is/was a flat earther.

[SunConjunctUranus]

Originally Posted by ynnest

Who else is NOT tired of WINNING!?

Trump 2020!!

Y

Triumph2020!

JOHN F. KENNEDY IS A TRUE DEMOCRATIC PERSON!

[Moondancing]

Brilliant discourse by William Barr on the formation of our country's Constitution and the erosion of the separation of powers principles.

"Let us not allow the passions of the moment to permanently disfigure the genius of our Constitutional structure."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

[passiflora]

Trump is visibly, excessively disgusting and cruel.

The Democrats are neoliberals upset he’s disclosing the rules of their game.

[SunConjunctUranus]

Originally Posted by passiflora

Trump is visibly, excessively disgusting and cruel.

The Democrats are neoliberals upset he’s disclosing the rules of their game.

Forgive my interuption. Government and puublic corporations are corrupt, no matter who is at the office. Ordinary people in US should be grateful to him for preventing the open border of the middle east, which is the most obvious threat to the Uncle Sam.

[passiflora]

Originally Posted by SunConjunctUranus

Forgive my interuption. Government and puublic corporations are corrupt, no matter who is at the office. Ordinary people in US should be grateful to him for preventing the open border of the middle east, which is the most obvious threat to the Uncle Sam.

Perfect example of a neo-liberal self-fulfilling prophecy. By making others our enemies on purpose for fun and profit while fantasizing about oil money - they actually become enemies.

[SunConjunctUranus]

Originally Posted by passiflora

Perfect example of a neo-liberal self-fulfilling prophecy. By making others our enemies on purpose for fun and profit while fantasizing about oil money - they actually become enemies.

I'm interested to know, which source that conspirator allegation is coming from?

[passiflora]

Originally Posted by SunConjunctUranus

I'm interested to know, which source that conspirator allegation is coming from?

Foreign Affairs probably.

Security studies has threat construction. Marketing has lack. Axiomatic principles aren’t conspiracy theory.

[Ukpoohbear]

The thing about immigration is you can have the best intentions in the world but it’s clear isis will use open immigration to their advantage and that’s why we can’t have open borders, look at Europe.

[david starling]

Originally Posted by Ukpoohbear

The thing about immigration is you can have the best intentions in the world but it’s clear isis will use open immigration to their advantage and that’s why we can’t have open borders, look at Europe.

U.S. destabilization of the Middle East caused the refugee problem in Europe. U.S. drug policy, which enriches the "Drug Cartels" causes the influx of Central and South American refugees fleeing the violence and seeking asylum in this country. Separating children from their families isn't the answer. It's cruel and unusual.

[JUPITERASC]

NEW:
FBI KNEW Hillary Clinton 'Misstated the Truth' about Classified Emails!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fesRXlKGCis