Is the ASC only a mask?
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astrologer50
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Because the Asc is not a mask per se, it's your outward mode of expressions, that are obvious to others, your presentation. BUT it's not what's going on underneath either, that's you sun sign, your core beliefs and values....
kimbermoon
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If your Sun is close to the Ascendant or there are other planets conjoined with the Sun, the Gemini energy would be more consistent...I do speak of the Rising sign as being the mask of personality, which is often quite different from the true inner self...the Rising sign typically projects a persona that has been developed through childhood conditioning, reaction patterns and the attempt to balance the inner self with the outer persona...What might be your Moon sign? The persona is represented by the combination between the Sun, Moon and Rising sign, rather than by just the Ascendant alone. Personally I disagree with the notion that the Sun represents our true self, for it is more external in expression while it is the Moon that shows what lies beneath...there are many individuals who exhibit different qualities than their Sun sign would denote...I also think that often we only grow into our Sun sign in the later years, once we have learned how to control and balance our conflicting energies...
being fidgety and restless can be the traits of any of the mutable signs, especially with Virgo and Pisces involved. Also nervousness and uncertainty can be engendered by Neptune
being fidgety and restless can be the traits of any of the mutable signs, especially with Virgo and Pisces involved. Also nervousness and uncertainty can be engendered by Neptune
Asc is also our need,very relevant for our happiness and overall well being.
We should enhance our asc. In contrary,we would feel uncompleted. Asc is also a person's destiny.
socrates
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from capricorn sun ,i think i got this fear of being caught air headed or daydreaming,being emotional, also a concern for not being noticed for the wrong reasons,but i have a rebellious streak,like to keep my individuality.
the sun is a mask, when i find myself abroad or where peoles opinion dont matter so much, i tend to be intelectual,expressive, especially in countries i like
astrologer50
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socrates
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http://books.google.pt/books?id=0Unwpok ... &q&f=false
Hi
From the excerpts ive been able to read of the book advised by Kannon, its one for placidus.
He says that with Mars in h9,youre more daring abroad,with Saturn there in Aquarius,you fear air travel, although im cured now.
Both apply to me and can only be possible using Placidus and possibly having been born about 5 minutes earlier,to have my Mars closer to 9th cusp
On page 225 and 258 he mentions day a year progression have had the most accurate predictions using aspects by declination than by longitude.
How do i calculate aspects by declination? Is that available at astro.com
thanks
Rebel Uranian
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Waitwhat? I'd have to see your chart. Saturn's domicile is Aquarius and Capricorn, and as a matter of fact it is usually considered better in Aquarius than Capricorn, especially as Saturn rules the Air triplicity by day and all that.
Moog
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There's a link at the top of astro.com charts ('view the additional tables') which will take you to a PDF with various information. You will find 'declination' heading one of the columns of data. That's what you want to look at.
I agree that the Sun could be more our outward mask,than the asc, as sun is a very public planet.
The asc is our character. Haven't you all noticed that when you wake up in the morning,the way one behaves is according to their asc? As the 1st house is early morning. And later, when they get dressed ,go out, they behave more like their Sun,or sun's ruler?
For example, Scorpio asc can be very dark after waking up,and generally they are slow wakers, as I suppose all water ascendents are.
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socrates
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Still,one tends to be wary in Saturns area.My chart is a few posts above but here it is again
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Really?? I thought North Node was destiny and karmic....
I view the north node as a mission.
MaeMae
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I don't believe it's mask. It's an orientation to how we approach the world separate from ourself. MC is how the world percieves us.
Neptune rising would lend mask tendencies, I think. Only because those folks are cursed with being whomever others' see them as.
Who mentioned greeting the morning?
I have Leo rising sextile Moon Gemini, opp. Sun and square Neptune ~ I am up and at it early, sunny and chirpy to anyone in earshot. I sing while I make breakfast and coffee. I start my hunt early in fridge for day's meals, I ALWAYS look in mirror first thing and decide which physical aspects I am comfortable with that day and I dress to maximize them.
It's the Mars house. It's how we propel ourselves into each new situation we encounter. I think the sign on asc. has much more to do with confidence and approach. How that is integrated depends on planets near in aspect to asc.
Neptune rising would lend mask tendencies, I think. Only because those folks are cursed with being whomever others' see them as.
Who mentioned greeting the morning?
I have Leo rising sextile Moon Gemini, opp. Sun and square Neptune ~ I am up and at it early, sunny and chirpy to anyone in earshot. I sing while I make breakfast and coffee. I start my hunt early in fridge for day's meals, I ALWAYS look in mirror first thing and decide which physical aspects I am comfortable with that day and I dress to maximize them.
It's the Mars house. It's how we propel ourselves into each new situation we encounter. I think the sign on asc. has much more to do with confidence and approach. How that is integrated depends on planets near in aspect to asc.
Rebel Uranian
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The Ascendant is a lot more than a mask. I consider the chart angles (which I consider to be AC/DC and MC/IC axes, not merely AC and MC points) to be the single most important thing, although you can't do much anything with them alone being known. The Ascendant is our first experience with anything. Since we inevitably must base all of our other perceptions on first impressions, it is essentially our eyes and ears - and the 1st house does rule the face.
Moog
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That's interesting. So you are in effect saying that the Ascendant is the filter through which we perceive the world? I can certainly entertain that idea.
Rebel Uranian
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Yes. I think the MC does something similar but I haven't figured out how to explain what.
This "waking up in the morning in the guise of our ascendant sign and settling into our sun later on in the day" concept is new to me.
But perhaps that's why I always wake up giddily optimistic (Jupiter) and am melancholic/insecure/fretful by evening (pisces).
Still not sure I buy it though.
But perhaps that's why I always wake up giddily optimistic (Jupiter) and am melancholic/insecure/fretful by evening (pisces).
Still not sure I buy it though.
It's new to ya, because it's my own theory and observation!
You don't have to buy it, however we all know that 1st house is the start of the day.
And I need to add to this thread, I dislike that harsh slitting Sun vs Asc. Both are similar, both are outward.
astrologer50
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declinations are avaiable on astro...
parallel
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrological_aspect#Declinations
http://www.skyviewzone.com/astrology/parallels.htm
http://en.mimi.hu/astrology/contraparallel.html
http://www2.bitstream.net/~bunlion/bpi/Glossary3.html
http://www.cafeastrology.com/natal/declinationsparallels.html
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=40285
http://www.librarising.com/astrology...clination.html
http://www.myastrologybook.com/aspects-and-orbs.htm
http://www.solsticepoint.com/1declination.htm
“PARALLEL: Two or more planets that are equal distant from the celestial equator, with each stellar body being either north OR south in declination. The influence is much like a conjunction”
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/
Contraparallel :
An aspect formed when two planets are in opposite declination, that is, when they are the same distance from the celestial equator, one north of it and one south. Generally considered to operate like an opposition.
http://www2.bitstream.net/~bunlion/bpi/Glossary.html#C
“CONTRA-PARALLEL: Two or more planets that are equal distant from the celestial equator, with one stellar body being north in declination and the other body being south. The influence is considered to be much like a opposition, although some consider similar to the conjunction.”
http://astrology.findyourfate.com/
You can get these free from astro.com when you get your chart go to top left just above chart, see option. What to look for are when there is no aspect natally but a parallel in declination
View the additional tables (PDF)
astrologer50
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to a point I agree
Basic astrology
Now basically your sun sign is your 'core beliefs, values, ego' and Asc is your physical body, mode of expression and mask and persona that we all wear and hide behind, but definitely not what's going on underneath. What's going on underneath is your Sun sign. Moon sign, house placements and aspects describe your emotional and intuitive responses, also describes your view of your mother, as saturn describes your father by sign and house position.
So, think of a glass milk bottle the bottle is your Asc and your sun the milk, but the milk still has to 'come out' through the glass neck of the milk bottle....
Now aspects within a natal chart represent 'facets' of our personality, because we are all multifaceted beings. What these do is 'break down and compartmentalise' these facets into smaller bite size chunks. This does take quite a lot of self analysis and objectivity to 'see yourself' and why you do certain things and behave in certain ways. Actually it can be quite good therapy...
Remember back to your school days an opposition is 180', square 90', trine 120', and sextile 60' Now challenged aspects are conj (depending on the planets, cos some like each other and some really don't) squares and oppositions. Easy aspects are conj (if the planets get along) eg: Jupiter conj Moon, sextile and trine. Quincunx is inbetween (depending on the planets) causes health strains and unresolved or hard to balance planets/energies.