Mutable big 3

[rosegarden]

All my big 3 signs are mutable, and even the houses belong for mutable signs.

(Sagittarius sun 9th house, pisces moon 12th house & pisces rising).

I have always had this issue with not really having Sense of self/identity and i always change so much like i don’t feel like i know myself very well. And people around me Shape my personality so much.
I feel like in my personality even i have so many opposing sides.

Anyone else have mutable big 3 ? How has it shaped your personality ?
Feel free to Share anything about it, i’d be very interested to hear.

[Cary2]

I'm not familiar with the term the "big 3" planets. Many people give special attention to Sun, Moon and Ascendant, but I am not familiar with the big 3 planets.

[rosegarden]

Originally Posted by Cary2

I'm not familiar with the term the "big 3" planets. Many people give special attention to Sun, Moon and Ascendant, but I am not familiar with the big 3 planets.

Oh yes sorry i should have typed ”big 3 signs” because ascendant is not a planet (i fixed it though)
I have heard some people using that to express shortly ”sun, moon and ascendant”.
Sorry for confusion or if it was dumb to say it like that :,)

[Lin]

I never heard that expression either. But often people think that these 3 energies are more important - or rather the most important energies and patterns in the chart.
AND they CAN be...but not necessarily.

And the fact that they are mutable is not unusual. In a similar way having Sun, Moon, Asc in a fixed or cardinal sign would not be unusual.

For IDENTITY you want to look at the angular houses....heavy planets conj the angles and especially if Neptune is angular.

IF you post your chart it will be pretty easy to pinpoint why you have trouble with feeling authentic or having identity issues.

In fact.....the moon in the 12th is a red signal for self esteem and identity issues.
In any sign.

Please post your chart!
LIN

[katydid]

Originally Posted by rosegarden

All my big 3 signs are mutable, and even the houses belong for mutable signs.

(Sagittarius sun 9th house, pisces moon 12th house & pisces rising).

I have always had this issue with not really having Sense of self/identity and i always change so much like i don’t feel like i know myself very well. And people around me Shape my personality so much.
I feel like in my personality even i have so many opposing sides.

Anyone else have mutable big 3 ? How has it shaped your personality ?
Feel free to Share anything about it, i’d be very interested to hear.

Yes, having the Big 3 , all being in the same mode, can create internal struggles because planets/angles in the same mode are often in opposition or square with each other. That naturally creates tension.

I think that having a lot of one's personal planets/angles in Mutable mode can be difficult. It can create anxiety, self doubt and confusion, especially when under pressure or stress.

And often a strongly mutable native can overthink and overanalyse things, and then feels the need to ADAPT. The urge to 'adapt' or change one's viewpoint or decisions can be overwhelming at times.

One of my favourite Aunts was a triple Mutable. She was a Virgo with a Pisces Moon and Gemini rising. I spent a lot of time with my cousins at their house, as a teen, because Auntie Emma was easy to talk into things.

She was a very caring and nurturing, old-fashioned and down to earth--- but she was often manipulated by her kids, and they went kind of wild for awhile.

She let them takeover the little guest house on their large farm. My cousins turned it into party central.

My Aunt believed it was important that , whatever they were doing, at least they were 'at home' doing it. So she kind of enabled their behaviour but she was close with them and was a good Mom.


Later in life, she had some of the same issues you described above. After her kids moved out and her husband passed away, she had a major identity crisis. She felt like she didn't know who she was anymore. She had given so much of herself to her family and friends and the church----and when she found herself living alone for the first time ever, she felt she needed to discover who she was , at that time.

She ended up opening a small animal rescue, and it made her very happy and fulfilled. She took in injured wildlife and nurtured them back to health.

[rosegarden]

Originally Posted by Lin

I never heard that expression either. But often people think that these 3 energies are more important - or rather the most important energies and patterns in the chart.
AND they CAN be...but not necessarily.

And the fact that they are mutable is not unusual. In a similar way having Sun, Moon, Asc in a fixed or cardinal sign would not be unusual.

For IDENTITY you want to look at the angular houses....heavy planets conj the angles and especially if Neptune is angular.

IF you post your chart it will be pretty easy to pinpoint why you have trouble with feeling authentic or having identity issues.

In fact.....the moon in the 12th is a red signal for self esteem and identity issues.
In any sign.

Please post your chart!
LIN

Thank you for your response ! <3

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[rosegarden]

Originally Posted by katydid

Yes, having the Big 3 , all being in the same mode, can create internal struggles because planets/angles in the same mode are often in opposition or square with each other. That naturally creates tension.

I think that having a lot of one's personal planets/angles in Mutable mode can be difficult. It can create anxiety, self doubt and confusion, especially when under pressure or stress.

And often a strongly mutable native can overthink and overanalyse things, and then feels the need to ADAPT. The urge to 'adapt' or change one's viewpoint or decisions can be overwhelming at times.

One of my favourite Aunts was a triple Mutable. She was a Virgo with a Pisces Moon and Gemini rising. I spent a lot of time with my cousins at their house, as a teen, because Auntie Emma was easy to talk into things.

She was a very caring and nurturing, old-fashioned and down to earth--- but she was often manipulated by her kids, and they went kind of wild for awhile.

She let them takeover the little guest house on their large farm. My cousins turned it into party central.

My Aunt believed it was important that , whatever they were doing, at least they were 'at home' doing it. So she kind of enabled their behaviour but she was close with them and was a good Mom.


Later in life, she had some of the same issues you described above. After her kids moved out and her husband passed away, she had a major identity crisis. She felt like she didn't know who she was anymore. She had given so much of herself to her family and friends and the church----and when she found herself living alone for the first time ever, she felt she needed to discover who she was , at that time.

She ended up opening a small animal rescue, and it made her very happy and fulfilled. She took in injured wildlife and nurtured them back to health.

Thank you for sharing your beautiful story. : )

[Lin]

''a strongly mutable native can overthink and overanalyse things,''

I think over analyzing is probably better than under analyzing. It means you are seeking all the info you can before making up your mind. Being independent and openminded.
My opinion, anyway.

I have 5 planets mutable incl. the moon, and nodes....and Merc rules my chart.
I think these have helped me as an astrologer. I don't take the first opinion I read as ''law''.....I have been someone who needed to get as much info as possible in order to decide something is ''so.''
LIN

[rosegarden]

Originally Posted by Lin

''a strongly mutable native can overthink and overanalyse things,''

I think over analyzing is probably better than under analyzing. It means you are seeking all the info you can before making up your mind. Being independent and openminded.
My opinion, anyway.

I have 5 planets mutable incl. the moon, and nodes....and Merc rules my chart.
I think these have helped me as an astrologer. I don't take the first opinion I read as ''law''.....I have been someone who needed to get as much info as possible in order to decide something is ''so.''
LIN

Yeah, that is a great point.

[wan]

I am kind of mutable (all angles in mutable signs, 3 planets in these signs), and I think it's a good thing. While it is true that I do seem to change my mind a lot, I am also one who is willing to change my mind. I think the latter is an asset. There are some people who will stubbornly cling to their opinions or beliefs, even though it would mean metaphorical (if not literal) death. To me these people block their own growth. I am glad that I am not like them.

[katydid]

Originally Posted by wan

I am kind of mutable (all angles in mutable signs, 3 planets in these signs), and I think it's a good thing. While it is true that I do seem to change my mind a lot, I am also one who is willing to change my mind. I think the latter is an asset. There are some people who will stubbornly cling to their opinions or beliefs, even though it would mean metaphorical (if not literal) death. To me these people block their own growth. I am glad that I am not like them.

Over thinking and overanalysing does have some drawbacks, however.

When you are in your 'head', that means you are not in your heart. When you are thinking you are not feeling.

So if you are trying to decide if you should dump your new boyfriend because you don't 'think' it will go anywhere, you may be overthinking and not opening up to your feelings about him. ...?

My Gemini daughter with Sag rising and Aquarius Moon does this sometimes. She gets so into her head and she analyses everything---imagines all possible outcomes and gets anxious about all of them---then she has to snap out of it and wait and see,...lol

[rosegarden]

Originally Posted by wan

I am kind of mutable (all angles in mutable signs, 3 planets in these signs), and I think it's a good thing. While it is true that I do seem to change my mind a lot, I am also one who is willing to change my mind. I think the latter is an asset. There are some people who will stubbornly cling to their opinions or beliefs, even though it would mean metaphorical (if not literal) death. To me these people block their own growth. I am glad that I am not like them.

That is such a good point !

The problem for me is how indecisive i tend to be because of mutable energy, i can’t take always myself or life so seriously and i tend to change myself and my personality a lot. It’s not even that i ”try” to, it just happens.
Even during my whole life even my appearance has changed a lot, even as a child i always looked different and like a different person every year lol...

I just envy people who have a strong self-image and who know who they are and who just seem stable and grounded (like earth signs). I need that energy more lol... :,)

[conspiracy theorist]

I hate to be the contrarian (actually no I don't) but with 6 of my planets + ascendant in the mutable modality, I don't suffer from the issues of indecisiveness, anxiety, scatteredness, and overanalysis that is outlined in this thread. Sure, I think a lot, but a course of action is settled upon and execution follows without a lot of hemming and hawing. It's helpful to view failures as learning opportunities just as much as the pre-action phase where information is being sift through to tackle a problem. Perhaps I can thank the mutable energy for this flexible approach.

[rosegarden]

Originally Posted by conspiracy theorist

I hate to be the contrarian (actually no I don't) but with 6 of my planets + ascendant in the mutable modality, I don't suffer from the issues of indecisiveness, anxiety, scatteredness, and overanalysis that is outlined in this thread. Sure, I think a lot, but a course of action is settled upon and execution follows without a lot of hemming and hawing. It's helpful to view failures as learning opportunities just as much as the pre-action phase where information is being sift through to tackle a problem. Perhaps I can thank the mutable energy for this flexible approach.

Thank you for sharing!

What are the mutable signs you have your placements in?
Perhaps virgo and gemini are more decisive since they’re more based on the intellect (mercury). On top of it, virgo is an earth sign.
For me personally the mutable signs are sagittarius and pisces (sagittarius sun, pisces moon and pisces rising) so that adds up the indecisive quality (neither of these signs is very ”logical”, more spiritual)...

But thank you for sharing i just thought to share this thought maybe some mutable signs are more indecisive than other mutable signs.

Also every person is different.

[conspiracy theorist]

My map has:

- Ascendant, Sun, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter and Pluto in Sagittarius

- Saturn in Pisces

You'd be interested to know that at least with regard to the tradition, it is actually the other way around where the Mercurial placements were more inclined to indecision. Check this link out for instance https://sevenstarsastrology.com/merc...ong-intellect/

The age factor also might have something to do with it. It's natural that someone younger would still be growing and developing at a quicker rate. Maybe some of your peers seem more stable, but are they really underneath it all?


ETA: I think in my case the majority of planets occuring in one sign actually contributes to me not getting in my own way.

[rosegarden]

Originally Posted by conspiracy theorist

My map has:

- Ascendant, Sun, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter and Pluto in Sagittarius

- Saturn in Pisces

You'd be interested to know that at least with regard to the tradition, it is actually the other way around where the Mercurial placements were more inclined to indecision. Check this link out for instance https://sevenstarsastrology.com/merc...ong-intellect/

The age factor also might have something to do with it. It's natural that someone younger would still be growing and developing at a quicker rate. Maybe some of your peers seem more stable, but are they really underneath it all?


ETA: I think in my case the majority of planets occuring in one sign actually contributes to me not getting in my own way.

Ohh thank you so much for the information!
I’m still learning astrology so thank you for teaching me something new.
Sorry if i said lots of stupid things lol :,)

Maybe it’s just pisces for me, you know what people say, that it’s a combination of every sign haha.

[conspiracy theorist]

Nah it's cool, rosegarden. I think adding diverse opinions on a particular topic helps to paint a more rounded and fuller picture. I do think that stressful aspects between certain planets in the mutable modality would incline to the kind of confusion and indecisiveness that you talk about (say a sensitive Moon being hit by a more aggressive energy). But even in my case with Saturn, I think it is actually a benefit since it provides brakes to such a high octane stellium.

So the oft repeated phrase "you have to look at the entire chart" is also relevant here.

[rosegarden]

Originally Posted by conspiracy theorist

Nah it's cool, rosegarden. I think adding diverse opinions on a particular topic helps to paint a more rounded and fuller picture. I do think that stressful aspects between certain planets in the mutable modality would incline to the kind of confusion and indecisiveness that you talk about (say a sensitive Moon being hit by a more aggressive energy). But even in my case with Saturn, I think it is actually a benefit since it provides brakes to such a high octane stellium.

So the oft repeated phrase "you have to look at the entire chart" is also relevant here.

So true!
Thank you

[katydid]

Originally Posted by conspiracy theorist

My map has:

- Ascendant, Sun, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter and Pluto in Sagittarius

- Saturn in Pisces

You'd be interested to know that at least with regard to the tradition, it is actually the other way around where the Mercurial placements were more inclined to indecision. Check this link out for instance https://sevenstarsastrology.com/merc...ong-intellect/

The age factor also might have something to do with it. It's natural that someone younger would still be growing and developing at a quicker rate. Maybe some of your peers seem more stable, but are they really underneath it all?


ETA: I think in my case the majority of planets occuring in one sign actually contributes to me not getting in my own way.

ETA: I think in my case the majority of planets occuring in one sign actually contributes to me not getting in my own way.

I think this is true. Having a stellium adds weight, gravity, strength and cohesion to the sign. Jupiter and Pluto adds wisdom and depth.

[HonourAndDevotion]

it's ok since finland and baltic area ruled by Jupiter.
it doesn't come as a surprise even the Finland's chart is full of mutable.
all of finland's neighboors commies and socialists.
finland has ranked as top education system in the planet.
finland ppl are somewhat nationalistic very brave and play with guns and so.
even the J.R.R Tolkien inspired by Finland.
Finland is fantastic.
Finland is land of metal music. especially in folk, melodeath and symphonic and power genres (genres of jupiter)

all of these sound like cancer, gemini, pisces, sagitarius and aries.

I love finland at it's weirdness.

[rosegarden]

Originally Posted by HonourAndDevotion

it's ok since finland and baltic area ruled by Jupiter.
it doesn't come as a surprise even the Finland's chart is full of mutable.
all of finland's neighboors commies and socialists.
finland has ranked as top education system in the planet.
finland ppl are somewhat nationalistic very brave and play with guns and so.
even the J.R.R Tolkien inspired by Finland.
Finland is fantastic.
Finland is land of metal music. especially in folk, melodeath and symphonic and power genres (genres of jupiter)

all of these sound like cancer, gemini, pisces, sagitarius and aries.

I love finland at it's weirdness.

Haha thank you, Finland is a very unusual country indeed.
I was born here in Helsinki and well, i don’t feel like i belong here, i’m more urban but i think this country has some good things as well.