When discovering career/job don't look towards the 6th house!

retinoid

retinoid

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The 6th house is not career or the person's job. I see this a lot. People look to the 6th house ruler to determine what people should 'work' in...yes, the 6th does deal with work technically. But not in a job sense. More in a routine sense and every day sense. The 10th house is what should be focused on and its ruler when determining a career. I use the 6th house and/or its ruler when it comes to how the person will be satisfied 'everyday'. If the ruler of the sixth house is in the seventh house, then they will not want to be in a cubicle, ALONE doing paper work everyday. Or if it is in the eleventh or ninth house, the person won't be satisfied with just getting the job done, they need to have some sort of higher purpose...

10th house is the career...not the 6th house...
 
Janus

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That's interesting...so what would you say about having the ruler of the 6th house in the 5th house? I have this aspect myself.
 
waybread

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The 10th house is career in the sense of one's vocation. It also indicates one's public reputation. So if someone has "just a job", notably one involving routine or menial work, it probably is more of a 6th house matter. However, a more empowering meaning of the 6th house is to construe one's work as service to other people. The 6th house can also indicate health matters.
 
retinoid

retinoid

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Janus said:
That's interesting...so what would you say about having the ruler of the 6th house in the 5th house? I have this aspect myself.
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Will want to work in a fun environment where you can use your creativity. Or maybe where there is risk involved.
 
retinoid

retinoid

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waybread said:
The 10th house is career in the sense of one's vocation. It also indicates one's public reputation. So if someone has "just a job", notably one involving routine or menial work, it probably is more of a 6th house matter. However, a more empowering meaning of the 6th house is to construe one's work as service to other people. The 6th house can also indicate health matters.
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Yes I agree. You look to the tenth and midheaven for a career or vocation as you put it.
 
Janus

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Will want to work in a fun environment where you can use your creativity. Or maybe where there is risk involved
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That sounds right, I would like a job where the general day to day work is 'creative'. Also, I have the Ruler of the 5th House in the 10th House, which makes me think I would like to do something creative as a career?
 
Claire19

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retinoid said:
The 6th house is not career or the person's job. I see this a lot. People look to the 6th house ruler to determine what people should 'work' in...yes, the 6th does deal with work technically. But not in a job sense. More in a routine sense and every day sense. The 10th house is what should be focused on and its ruler when determining a career. I use the 6th house and/or its ruler when it comes to how the person will be satisfied 'everyday'. If the ruler of the sixth house is in the seventh house, then they will not want to be in a cubicle, ALONE doing paper work everyday. Or if it is in the eleventh or ninth house, the person won't be satisfied with just getting the job done, they need to have some sort of higher purpose...

10th house is the career...not the 6th house...
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I agree that the 10th is career and the 6th is everyday work, how we perform the mundane tasks of life, our co workers and our general efficiency. How we earn our daily bread is the more apt description.
If you have a 6th house stellium as I do then it is much more complicated and the aspects of the ruler and those planets posited elsewhere in the chart give a fuller picture. I have Leo ruling the 6th, the SUn in Leo there and have been involved with the stock market, casinos, entertainment world and children's education which befits it. That is only part of the whole story of my loaded 6th house.
 
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Claire19

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Janus said:
That sounds right, I would like a job where the general day to day work is 'creative'. Also, I have the Ruler of the 5th House in the 10th House, which makes me think I would like to do something creative as a career?
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Yes but the 5th is not only just our creativity. It deals with much more.
Depending on the aspects you have connected. The 10th also deals with much more than just career goals.
 
retinoid

retinoid

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Claire19 said:
I agree that the 10th is career and the 6th is everyday work, how we perform the mundane tasks of life, our co workes and our general efficiency. How we earn our daily bread is the more apt description.
If you have a 6th house stellium as I do then it is much more complicated and the aspects of the ruler and those planets posited elsewhere in the chart give a fuller picture. I have Leo ruling the 6th, the SUn in Leo there and have been involved with the stock market, casinos, entertainment world and children's education which befits it. That is only part of the whole story of my loaded 6th house.
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I have a sun, mercury, mars and pluto in the sixth house and the cusp is scorpio...so idk :cool:
 
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dr. farr

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For me, I also often check the ascendant as well as the 10th; also the Lot of Success (sign its in and its dispositor) can be of much service; finally, the 11th house from the 10th can also be useful.
 
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Carmen C

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Dear Dr.Farr,
what is your opinion about fixed stars conj on the Asc and the MC regarding career or job? What if Bad luck is exactly opposite to MC...?
Personally I would like to know more about Sirius conj MC. I could post my chart but I don't know if it's convenient here. In any case I am not a good example for the evolution of a career. I think I am a typical Libra that spoiled everything with undecision.
Now I'm a sort of language teacher for kids but since this school proposed me to teach for a few weeks basic Astrology for the language conversations I feel like never before, really happy. Sun is now in transit conjunct my north node in 4th House in Aquarius (Fortuna is in the 5th only 15 degrees appart) , I think it expresses that feeling.
 
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dr. farr

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As"fixed star farr" (a nickname) certainly I consider any star longitudinally conjunct or declinationally Parallel, to considerably modify the influence of the planet or horoscopic degree (eg, ascending degree, MC degree) it is connected with. However, I also follow the general teachings of most past authors regarding stars acting only by conjunction or Parallel, so I would not be concerned about an opposition from a star (other object to this and believe stars can operate via aspect-however, I do not follow this line of thought)

Sirius culminating for you (conjunct the MC in your natal) is a highly benefic, constructive and favorable situation. Also, current Sun transit of your Lucky Strike NN (actually the Sun's transit of the entire sign the natal NN is in) is very favorable for you during the month of the Sun's transit of the NN sign.
 
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Anachiel

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retinoid said:
The 6th house is not career or the person's job. I see this a lot. People look to the 6th house ruler to determine what people should 'work' in...yes, the 6th does deal with work technically. But not in a job sense. More in a routine sense and every day sense. The 10th house is what should be focused on and its ruler when determining a career. I use the 6th house and/or its ruler when it comes to how the person will be satisfied 'everyday'. If the ruler of the sixth house is in the seventh house, then they will not want to be in a cubicle, ALONE doing paper work everyday. Or if it is in the eleventh or ninth house, the person won't be satisfied with just getting the job done, they need to have some sort of higher purpose...

10th house is the career...not the 6th house...
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I agree with you 110%, retinoid.

Why on Earth would anyone want to look toward the 6th for....well, anything except a small animal? It doesn't signify anything that most people really like or want; things like sickness, ill health, toil, labor, slavery, indentured service, and...of course, small animals like pets
which is it's only saving grace as a house.

Also, the house itself is disjoint from the Ascendant, offering nothing to the native of good report, generally.

The 10th, on the other hand, is the zenith, the highest point in the chart and it towers above the Ascendant and aspects it as well. The Sun, for one, is at it's highest and brightest here, for heavens sake. And, the 11th house is only more fortunate in the fact that anything here can only ascend to the 10th which is why it is the house of assistance and hopes and wishes. Whereas, anything in the 6th can only fall. Manilius describes this.

Yes, I believe I would much rather guide someone to their 10th rather than the 6th...we all have enough of that already.
 
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Carmen C

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"fixed star farr":happy:
Thank you, I take note.
I have also Vindemiatrix conjunct my Ascendant. As I read in Internet this is not so good for life, but it could be good for investigation or collecting data (=learning) and later for sucess in career. Well, that's only my opinion but I gladly would like to know other opinions about this star and influence on vocation or career.
On the other hand it is only curiosity and coincidence the similarity with the semantic of my name, Carmen means vinyard in hebrew. I would locate the name of a person in the Asc, specially on the axe.
 
waybread

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Anachiel, some people are deeply motivated by the concept of service. This could be public service or "the service." For others it is volunteerism or caring for an ageing parent. These are 6th house matters.
 
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!4C

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Over the years I have met far too many people that work in different jobs than what they went school for. While each had the ability and interest in their chosen field, they couldn't find a job where they liked the work environment or the daily routines of the job.

Also, I have met a few people who can't do their ideal job because they have a special health condition that would prevent them from doing the necessary tasks. Since many health conditions are private matters, it would not show up in the 10th house.

So, I say the 6th house is very important to choosing a career.

The 10th is public perception of the individual in terms of social structure. The 6th is routines and rituals, which includes things that would affect them. The 10th and 6th only point to some of the elements for a career. To find an ideal career you have to consider the entire chart. Consider a person lucky if their entire chart supports one undeniable theme. In my experience, many people have conflicting themes that make a definitive answer difficult to achieve.
 
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dr. farr

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11th sign from the 10th frequently shows prospects (favorable or otherwise) regarding the career-or careers-of the native; similarly, 11th from the 6th shows the same for service of the native.
 
waybread

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Interesting, Dr. Farr. I get the turned house method, but the 11th house? Hopes and wishes for the future? Or prospects? The 11th from the 10th would be the 8th?
 
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dr. farr

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Right: while we find some of this among the Hellenists, the concept/methodology is a central one in Vedic astrology (both mainstream and the minor systems as well) and among early Modernist (Western) astrologers such as Vivian Robson, this was also an important delineative technique. This outlook essentially makes houses (sign/houses) relative regarding meanings (rather than as absolute "set in stone" regarding meaningfulness)

11th place (house/sign) from ANY place (house/sign) indicates potential gains, hopes, fulfillment, (or the reverse) regarding the matters of that place (house/sign) it is the 11th from.

In the natal chart, 11th from the 10th would be the 8th house on the chart wheel;
11th from 6th would be the 4th house on the chart wheel.

This is a technique I have made much use of in my approach to delineations.
 
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Anachiel

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waybread said:
Anachiel, some people are deeply motivated by the concept of service. This could be public service or "the service." For others it is volunteerism or caring for an ageing parent. These are 6th house matters.
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Well, waybread, that's why I add the word, 'generally' after my presentation of the 6th vs 10th comment.

Anywho, if you were a "service" oriented person, you still wouldn't look to the 6th house, unless you were planning on becoming a "service animal" like a canine assistant to the blind.

If you were "service oriented" (and tell me, who isn't? What job isn't service oriented? Someone is always serving someone.), you would still look to the 10th, especially if it was something you aspired to.

P.S. Volunteering is an 11th house matter. Also, by the way, "caring for an aging parent" would make that person a child and therefore a 5th house matter.
 
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