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The Part of False Love aka Part of Corruptness... Is It... Or Is It Something Else?

Greetings.
Recently, to the list of all Astrological Parts that is a "Sticky" in this forum, I added another, alternative, name for the formula Asc. + Neptune - Venus. (currently known only as the Part of False Love)
I've proposed calling it the Part of Ideal Love or Idealized Love.


Venus, the Planet of Beauty and Appreciation/Love as the "Trigger" influencing its higher octave Neptune, which is the Planet that governs the imaginative faculties... makes perfect sense to me... that what occurs is ones sense of Beauty and Love is imagining the ideal culmination of those very things... and that can be in the form of another person, an artistic creation, poetry or a musical composition.

Phoenix Venus and I have discussed this matter and at this time it does seem to be the correct interpretation. Her Part of Lovers and this newly renamed Part that is in my natal chart are in the same sign and degree. While we have never met in person and are some 3,000 miles apart, we have been in constant correspondence for over three years now.
She appeared in a lucid dream I had shortly after I answered a request for an opinion on musical talent she had initiated...or it may have been immediately before, the exact dates for each are long fone in a cloud of obscure memory. From that dream I was able to describe her, her surroundings, her current endeavors and a couple of intimate poseesions of hers...she in turn had a dream a number of years ago that is highly descriptive of me.
Despite the extreme difference in our ages... I am over thirty years older than her we have found a deep genuine affection and a profound respect for one another.
We plan on meeting finally sometime later this year.
I'll keep you all informed of how that works out when it happens.

The opposite formula, i.e. Asc. + Venus - Neptune is known as the Part of Deceit and the Part of Vanity.

The Planet Neptune as the "Trigger"... the Planet that rules the imaginative process giving a vision that Venus then seizes upon...

What? That doesn't sound bad, you say?

Well, that would depend on what stimulated or even auto suggested the imagery, now, wouldn't it?

Sounds to me that it has much potentiality to be a source of deception.

The Part of Deceit for the Yeshu'a chart I have proposed to be authentic is at 13* Capricorn 04' 21" by the posted chart... his Part of Destiny is 13* Capricorn 13' 57" by the posted chart (here: http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ad.php?t=13271)

Could this be the answer as to why He is said to have called out from the cross, "Father, why has thou forsaken me?"


Anyone have any exerience with either of these Parts they would like to share it will be most welcome and duly appreciated.

Comments, observations, and opinions, as always, are just as welcome.

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Re: The Part of False Love aka Part of Corruptness... Is It... Or Is It Something Els

I appreciate your story on lucid dreams, can you weigh in on mine? Phoenix Venus already did!

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ewpost&t=94284
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I appreciate your story on lucid dreams, can you weigh in on mine? Phoenix Venus already did!

http://www.astrologyweekly.com/forum...ewpost&t=94284
I have done so.
Thanks for your interest and support... ptv
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To add my two little shiny cents.

Free Will is the great gift of humankind. And the stars are our guides (another gift.) Astrology doesnt doom us, it rather glues us into place (molds us) as it bends to our will. Thus our collective and individual wellbeing greatly impact the way in which the parts might take shape in our lives.

Thus it's no coincidence that an "ideal love" might be mistaken for a "false love"... Its no surprise we're in dark times, a Kali Yuga, the cycle of spiritual bereftness.

Let's use Yeshuas part as an example.

His part of Ideal Love is in the 19th degree of gemini. This is the same sign and degree as both his natal mars, and his natal part of War.

Thats a pretty powerful conjunction so let's think about this for a second.

The Part of War utilizes the formula As + Mars - Pluto. Piercethevale and I have studied and verified this part to an extent with which we are extremely confident in its general application.

But Yeshua has this part conjunct His natal mars, the planet of drive and ambition. So it's safe to say that he did NOT use his driving force towards aggressive means of conquest. He was the complete antithesises of that. He was utilizing the Part at a higher level of manifestation.

How so?

Well lets break it down even futher.

The part of War and part of Ideal Love conjoin in the same sign and degree.

The part of war, has Pluto triggering Mars. Mars is the planet of action and Pluto of transformation. Pluto is the higher octave of Mars.

The part of ideal love, has Venus triggering Neptune. Neptune the ultimate vision and Venus the planet of love. Neptune is the higher octave of Venus.

So we see theres a bit of a polarity here.

The higher octave of action triggering action.

And the higher octave of love being triggered by love.

The action triggered by an intense transformation... Integrated with the vision triggered by love.. And these parts are activated by His driving force... His planet of action.

I really think it's a beautiful thing. Its aww inspiring and very humbling...

And I won't be so brazen as to state right out how I think this conjunction manifested in His life.. But Ill let you readers come to your own conclusions... But the words "transmutation of life into love" ring in my ears..

But it just goes to show how His chart is a template.. A template for embodying our own "perfection." And it goes to show just how powerful the will is in determining the application of these parts. That they can be transmuted to their highest form of expression.

Heres the sabian symbol for the degree at which this conjunction took place at 19 gemini (taken from Dane Rudhyar's "An Astrological Mandala"):

A LARGE ARCHAIC VOLUME REVEALS A TRADITIONAL WISDOM.

KEYNOTE: Contacting the all-human planetary Mind underlying any cultural and personal mentality.


Occult tradition tells us that all cyclic manifestations of the human mind have had a primordial revelatory Source. It speaks of ancient books made of especially treated papyrus leaves and conveying through symbols the archetypal processes at the root of all earthly existence (see Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine). Such volumes, said to remain in the possession of certain Adepts, constitute the "exteriorization" of archetypal knowledge and wisdom. They contain the "seed-ideas" from which the human mind grows, cyclically producing cultures of various types.

This fourth stage symbol evokes for us the "technique" by means of which the human mind can uncover the foundations of its nature and acquire what might be called SEED-KNOWLEDGE,the knowledge of the structure of cyclic and cosmic manifestations of life on this planet."

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To add my two little shiny cents.

Free Will is the great gift of humankind. And the stars are our guides (another gift.) Astrology doesnt doom us, it rather glues us into place (molds us) as it bends to our will. Thus our collective and individual wellbeing greatly impact the way in which the parts might take shape in our lives.

Thus it's no coincidence that an "ideal love" might be mistaken for a "false love"... Its no surprise we're in dark times, a Kali Yuga, the cycle of spiritual bereftness.

Let's use Yeshuas part as an example.

His part of Ideal Love is in the 19th degree of gemini. This is the same sign and degree as both his natal mars, and his natal part of War.

Thats a pretty powerful conjunction so let's think about this for a second.

The Part of War utilizes the formula As + Mars - Pluto. Piercethevale and I have studied and verified this part to an extent with which we are extremely confident in its general application.

But Yeshua has this part conjunct His natal mars, the planet of drive and ambition. So it's safe to say that he did NOT use his driving force towards aggressive means of conquest. He was the complete antithesises of that. He was utilizing the Part at a higher level of manifestation.

How so?

Well lets break it down even futher.

The part of War and part of Ideal Love conjoin in the same sign and degree.

The part of war, has Pluto triggering Mars. Mars is the planet of action and Pluto of transformation. Pluto is the higher octave of Mars.

The part of ideal love, has Venus triggering Neptune. Neptune the ultimate vision and Venus the planet of love. Neptune is the higher octave of Venus.

So we see theres a bit of a polarity here.

The higher octave of action triggering action.

And the higher octave of love being triggered by love.

The action triggered by an intense transformation... Integrated with the vision triggered by love.. And these parts are activated by His driving force... His planet of action.

I really think it's a beautiful thing. Its aww inspiring and very humbling...

And I won't be so brazen as to state right out how I think this conjunction manifested in His life.. But Ill let you readers come to your own conclusions... But the words "transmutation of life into love" ring in my ears..

But it just goes to show how His chart is a template.. A template for embodying our own "perfection." And it goes to show just how powerful the will is in determining the application of these parts. That they can be transmuted to their highest form of expression.

Heres the sabian symbol for the degree at which this conjunction took place at 19 gemini (taken from Dane Rudhyar's "An Astrological Mandala"):

A LARGE ARCHAIC VOLUME REVEALS A TRADITIONAL WISDOM.

KEYNOTE: Contacting the all-human planetary Mind underlying any cultural and personal mentality.


Occult tradition tells us that all cyclic manifestations of the human mind have had a primordial revelatory Source. It speaks of ancient books made of especially treated papyrus leaves and conveying through symbols the archetypal processes at the root of all earthly existence (see Blavatsky's Secret Doctrine). Such volumes, said to remain in the possession of certain Adepts, constitute the "exteriorization" of archetypal knowledge and wisdom. They contain the "seed-ideas" from which the human mind grows, cyclically producing cultures of various types.

This fourth stage symbol evokes for us the "technique" by means of which the human mind can uncover the foundations of its nature and acquire what might be called SEED-KNOWLEDGE,the knowledge of the structure of cyclic and cosmic manifestations of life on this planet."
Or.. to put it another way... Maybe it's just that LOVE CONQUERS ALL...

It's the ultimate "WEAPON"... To someone so spiritually advanced...to wage war is to wage LOVE
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What Phoenix V said about the Kali Yuga and Idealized Love in these times is true.
One's Idealized Vision of Love will most often be disappointed ...and thus why it became known as a Part of False Love...
...it's not False... just Frail
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I spoke to my clairvoyant, and good friend for more than the last thirteen years, Clarisse Conner, this past evening and finally got the opportunity to ask Her about this Part and I got confirmation that it is a Part that is about ones vision of an Ideal, or idealized, Love.
I didn't get the opportunity to inquire about the opposite formula, that is Asc. + Venus - Neptune, as I had a number of personal questions that were very pressing and of immediate concern, but I feel rather confident that it is along the lines of being what research has shown to be so far as a Part of Self Deceiving Love or Part of Lack of Vision Pertaining to Love...or something along those lines.

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As to how to apply the symbolism to the Part I find that it is going to be about as tough a task as any I've yet faced in understanding astrology.

My own natal chart having Venus in my Fifth House at 15* Aries 05' 53" square my natal Uranus in the Eighth House at 15* Cancer 18' 57" and a Saturn-Neptune conjunction in my Eleventh House at 22* Libra 17' 17"rx and 21* Libra 52' 45" rx, respectively, has saddled me with the onus, by many a qualified astrologers estimation, to be someone that has little understanding of what "Love" truly is in the romantic sense... having been said by one analysis to be a person that most often confuses friendship for love. And given my history of having never been married and what relationships with the opposite sex to date I did have being at best sorrowful, but mutually agreed upon, failures of engagement... I find my self unqualified to make such a decision regarding this symbolism.

Even the symbolism of my own Part of Love is somewhat of an enigma to me.

It could very well be that these two Parts aren't necessarily about ones romantic interests at all. Or it maybe that romantic interests are only a part of it.

Given what we have derived from Yeshu'a's chart it might be taken to mean that His understanding of the origin of humankinds existence on Earth is about finding ones true love to be that for God and to love God and all of Gods' creation, all of humanity, with the fullest capacity given oneself.

To seek an example from those perceived to be the exemplars of spiritual perfection these last two thousand years ...the majority having lived lives of celibacy...one might naturally assume that romantic love is not what these Parts are about at all.
But it is said by the wise Gurus of Vedic knowledge and practice that we are in the age known as the Kali Yuga. The dark age of spiritual understanding... so those wise souls may also be wrong... or perhaps they are correct only in a way relative to this particular Yuga?

But, to be honest, I haven't enough understanding to make such a call.

I can only conclude, at this time, that the importance is to understand that this Part of False Love has been mislabeled and misunderstood and advise (that is, to say, anyone seeking my advice) to proceed to work with it in the understanding that it is not something malefic... or at least not something to be shunned... but rather to be embraced when found to be of significance in benefic aspect in synastry and in composite charts.

What is a benefic aspect is up to each of you individually as to those techniques utilized in such manner that you find valid. As for myself I hold fast to the belief that only conjunctions, exact and those of less than one degree of orb in conjunction, to be valid of being in effective aspect to Astrological Parts.

I hope that some of you members will share your own data regarding the location of this Part derived from your natal charts and try to analyze how that Zodiacal degrees' Sabian Symbol might be relevant to the precept of Ideal Love in your eyes... I know that it is a very personal subject and that there will likely be a great reluctance among all to do so.
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I am interested in learning more about this part. How do you add and subtract the three? I have found that it has to be broken down into 360 degrees. Where does the first degree start?
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I am interested in learning more about this part. How do you add and subtract the three? I have found that it has to be broken down into 360 degrees. Where does the first degree start?
this page explains the process in a simple way:

http://marianneohagan.com/astrology/part-of-fortune/


ARIES 00 DEGREES.
TAURUS 30 DEGREES.
GEMINI 60 DEGREES. .
CANCER 90 DEGREES. And so on.... .
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this page explains the process in a simple way:

http://marianneohagan.com/astrology/part-of-fortune/


ARIES 00 DEGREES.
TAURUS 30 DEGREES.
GEMINI 60 DEGREES. .
CANCER 90 DEGREES. And so on.... .
My solar degree is 326 (26' Aquarius), Lunar 320 (20' Aquarius) and AC mode 107 (17' Cancer), which places my part of fortune at 101 (11' Cancer) barely above the AC mode in the 12th house. My birthdate is Feb. 15th (Aquarius is from Jan 20/21-Feb 18/19), then the sun in Cancer from Jun 21/22-Jul 22/23, so my AC mode or rising point is Jul 8 or 9, and part of fortune means Jul 2 or 3. My greatgrandma who died in 1999 at age 94 was born on Jul 3. And a few girls I had crushes with or at least one girlfriend were mid-July Cancers, the rising sign Cancer sometimes indicate a perfect romantic match.
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The quick and easy.

Let's put sun at 15 Leo, moon at 15 Cap, ASC at 15 Scorp.

Take the distance from sun to moon. 150 degrees. Cast that from the ascendant. 150 degrees from 15 Scorp is 15 Aries.

You can shortcut it by taking the distance from moon to sun if that's closer, if you do that go backwards from the ascendant instead of forwards.

If you're born during a new moon, Fortuna will be around the ascendant, during a full moon around the 7th house cusp.
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Oh wow. I need to double check this, but if it is that degree in Gemini for mine, that would explain a lot. lol

Thanks for all of these helpful responses ladies and gents. I need to make sure what it is and then I will share what it is as an example and then let someone use the sabian symbol as an example. I'll post the formula and how I got there.

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I was asked a couple of days ago by a friend, in her late 60's, to look at her present astrological situation and see if I could find reason as to why she has had thoughts of leaving her husband of some 13 years as he has been either seeing or communicating with his ex-wife...she is very distraught over it...and said she feels as if she is in a rock tumbler presently.

This morning the Edgar Cayce group on facebook posted the following excerpt from a reading by Edgar:

"There must be first the quiet or harmony in one's own self if one would find harmony with the association with others." #EdgarCayce reading 1540-7

I found that Neptune is conjunct her Part of Ideal Love ( Asc. + Neptune - Venus, the opposite formula , switching Venus with Neptune, produces a Part of False, or Delusional, Love) with transiting Neptune having "triggered" Venus for a few weeks earlier this year but presently has been doing so continuously since early September. This is due to its going retrograde and then starting its return and all the while still conjunct that Part... and it won't be out of an orb of influence until the end of January.

The only advice I can give her is that she has to wait it out. That's when that "Quiet", that "Harmony" within will return. It's not her husbands actions that are the cause of the issue ( although they may have something to do with it and I don't have any astrological info of the husband to see what might be up with him.) but rather, imagery, arising from Neptune which can most often produce delusional, unrealistic, dreams or ideals ...imagery. When it is Venus, the source of ones sense of beauty and love, that is influencing Neptune that imagery arises from a source, a place, of love and beauty. But when Neptune is influencing Venus, it is imagery that has been triggered from, God only knows what, trying to influence Venus.

In the first instance it is the creation of something of beauty in the mind, in ones thoughts, from a place of love in the heart. In the latter.... if you will pardon the analogy as I wish to make this as clear cut as possible... it could be imagery that is pornographic, perverted, something that is cruel, or bizarre and thus inflames the libido, tortures the emotions, twists the ego. As it takes Neptune 164.8 years to orbit the Zodiac this type of astrological event only occurs, on the average, about once in every 2.5 lifetimes and for some of those people it occurs so early in childhood as to go unnoticed or it produces different influences. But for a woman, well over 60, that has had a consistency in such matters her entire life, up until now, it must surely be very disorienting and emotionally tumultuous.

So there will be times in some peoples lives when that "Quiet", that "Harmony" is disrupted and it may be entirely out of their control, to some lesser or greater degree, and to be aware of when it is an astrological factor at play is a to be prepared and a possibility to be very well prepared, indeed.
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Hey piercethevale. It's funny you bring this part up as i was doing some thinking on it a few days ago. I was thinking it had to do partly with ones musical inspiration.

There were a few reasons why i thought this. I'd been talking to someone at the forum who has natal venus- neptune conjunction. So naturally both of these parts will be conjunct his ascendant. He has a passion for music and great aspirations to be in a successful band.

What makes it interesting is the cluster of parts around his asc. It goes like this:

Part of faith, trust: 11 scorpio
Part of "deceit" ( As + venus - neptune): 10 scorpio
Ascendant: 9 scorpio
Part of "ideal love" ( as + nep - venus): 8 scorpio
North Node: 8 scorpio
Part of spiritual service: 7 scorpio

So i was thinking this cluster had to do with his self identification as a musician and desire and passion to make his mark in that field...

You ptv know also that Matisyahu is my favorite artist and a while back i "figured out" his birth time (i'm pretty certain of it as being right.. It fits natally and it even worked as for progressions of a certain time when he publically renounced his title of being a chassidic jew and shaved his beard, his prog MC was at the symbol of "a public unmasking") and i calculated some of his parts. The part of deceit (As + ven - nep) is at 1.07 scorpio making a very close conjunction to my ascendant at 1.09 scorpio. I was thinking this is why his music made such a huge impact on me. I know what you are probably thinking ptv, this conj is about about me getting snubbed/ duped by him and you might be right... But i have to say that in both instances there is this musical inspiration which is connected to the part and i wonder if that is one of the expressions of the part. Venus being about beauty and neptune about the vision.. And neptune has been for some time considered to rule music... And i would say that ideal love could be expressed through music.

It makes sense to me. Id have to do some more research on charts of musicians to see what comes up. Actually what i should do is look up this part in relation to the woodstock event.

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Piercethevale, i might be on to something!!

I went and calculated the part of "ideal love" for the woodstock event.. For the opening invocation. Guess what it came up as??

... 18.20.48 gemini!!!

You know all too well what this degree is.. (for those of you wondering just look at my first post in this thread..)

I mean, what are the odds??

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Hey piercethevale. It's funny you bring this part up as i was doing some thinking on it a few days ago. I was thinking it had to do partly with ones musical inspiration.

There were a few reasons why i thought this. I'd been talking to someone at the forum who has natal venus- neptune conjunction. So naturally both of these parts will be conjunct his ascendant. He has a passion for music and great aspirations to be in a successful band.

What makes it interesting is the cluster of parts around his asc. It goes like this:

Part of faith, trust: 11 scorpio
Part of "deceit" ( As + venus - neptune): 10 scorpio
Ascendant: 9 scorpio
Part of "ideal love" ( as + nep - venus): 8 scorpio
North Node: 8 scorpio
Part of spiritual service: 7 scorpio

So i was thinking this cluster had to do with his self identification as a musician and desire and passion to make his mark in that field...

You ptv know also that Matisyahu is my favorite artist and a while back i "figured out" his birth time (i'm pretty certain of it as being right.. It fits natally and it even worked as for progressions of a certain time when he publically renounced his title of being a chassidic jew and shaved his beard, his prog MC was at the symbol of "a public unmasking") and i calculated some of his parts. The part of deceit (As + ven - nep) is at 1.07 scorpio making a very close conjunction to my ascendant at 1.09 scorpio. I was thinking this is why his music made such a huge impact on me. I know what you are probably thinking ptv, this conj is about about me getting snubbed/ duped by him and you might be right... But i have to say that in both instances there is this musical inspiration which is connected to the part and i wonder if that is one of the expressions of the part. Venus being about beauty and neptune about the vision.. And neptune has been for some time considered to rule music... And i would say that ideal love could be expressed through music.

It makes sense to me. Id have to do some more research on charts of musicians to see what comes up. Actually what i should do is look up this part in relation to the woodstock event.
Of course it has to do with envisioning anything that arises from the realm of Venus. Art, poetry, music... and Love.
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Piercethevale, i might be on to something!!

I went and calculated the part of "ideal love" for the woodstock event.. For the opening invocation. Guess what it came up as??

... 18.20.48 gemini!!!

You know all too well what this degree is.. (for those of you wondering just look at my first post in this thread..)

I mean, what are the odds??
Wow ....The Christ/Krishna spirit was there for that festival...
why, that is just so beautiful... and Swami Satchidanada delivered the opening invocation that day.
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Wow ....The Christ/Krishna spirit was there for that festival...
why, that is just so beautiful... and Swami Satchidanada delivered the opening invocation that day.
Haribol....!
Yes!! Very beautiful. The Christ/Krishna spirit was there.. I knew you'd see it too.. Good way of puting it

And i was thinking too, that the parts dealing with neptune and moon are probably about dreams.
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Yes!! Very beautiful. The Christ/Krishna spirit was there.. I knew you'd see it too.. Good way of puting it

And i was thinking too, that the parts dealing with neptune and moon are probably about dreams.
.I've just spent about 5 hours writing and then editing and rewriting a reply to that but I 'm not quite finished with it as of yet but it's now past 2 am here and I need to retire for the night.

I had been, what I thought, was an unshakable belief that the formula Asc. + Moon - Neptune was about Revelation, but during the course of this evening I decided that if there is a "Part of Revelation" it is more apt to be something as like the formula Asc. + Neptune - Uranus

(and I didn't manage to post this before I fell asleep at my desk, but it's stilll relevant...so here it is)
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Closest in software to false love was Part of Divorce, but there's a back-up.

Divorce 1: Asc + Venus - 7th

Divorce 2: Asc+7th - Saturn
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Here are some other options. What is nice is there is a back-up formula for each part since that does happen sometimes.

I think 9th + Venus - 3rd might work for part of false love, or 9th + 7th - 3rd / Asc + 7th - 3rd.

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Closest in software to false love was Part of Divorce, but there's a back-up.

Divorce 1: Asc + Venus - 7th

Divorce 2: Asc+7th - Saturn
Howdy...
Divorce 1 formula I already have listed in the compilation but Divorce 2 I was unaware of.
A tip of the hat to you, Dubyadude, I'll include that on the list as soon as I can get to it.
Thank you very much.
btw, what is the software you're using from whence that came?


...but just so that everyone is clear on the issue, or subject, here. False Love and Divorce are two different things. Divorce could arise from having married a false love. I've also known people that got divorced but still loved one another and one couple , in particular, very much so. ...as divorce can be for reasons other than not loving someone anymore.
False Love in the sense of what this Part that was so called, I believe is meant as to be about self delusion.
The opposite formula, i.e. Asc. + Venus - Neptune is listed as the Part of Deceit (and also the Part of Vanity) and while it certainly seems to be along that general theme I think that it is a Part of False Love and could also be called a Part of Self Deception where-as it is about Deceit but likely a self deceit.

I'll use my own Part derived from the Asc. + Venus - Neptune formula for an example. Mine calculates to be at 10 Taurus 23' 12", that is the 11th degree of Taurus and by Rudhyar's interpretation...(ibid.)

"TAURUS 10: A RED CROSS NURSE.
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The compassionate linking of all men.

This symbol reveals the feeling of human cooperation at the stage of pure altruism and service to the social Whole. On that foundation of Christ love (agape, or true companionship), man can reach a still higher level of experience made possible by the refinement of the substance of his being, his consciousness and his will. This goes beyond imagination and faith in the future - beyond Christmas tree celebrations - for it implies going into the dark to bring life and love to the tormented and the deprived.

At this final stage of the five-fold sequence we see what is finally open as new potentiality to the 'widow before an open grave' — the closing symbol of the preceding sequence. Personal attachment in love to a husband or wife has changed level becoming a
CONSECRATION TO HUMANITY."

I am one that believes very much in the creed of that stated above but if you were to ask anyone that really knows me...and I mean those that have been around me, or with me, for a notable length of time... they would tell you straight up, with out any hesitation, that I'm an easy "mark", a "soft touch", and there have been those that picked up on this about me and used it to their advantage

Now, there will be those that would say that I was the victim of their deception, their deceit, ...but when you boil it all down what is left is that the deception was my beliefs. It's because I have that belief in the inherent good in all people and that I should be compassionate, to those that show a need for it, they might not show any gratitude... and I certainly don't ask for any display of such... but I never figure people to take my open hand and at the same time pick my pockets clean. ...and that has happened to me more times than I care to remember.

If you met a woman that you wanted to get engaged to that has her natal Venus, or Asc., in the same Sign and degree as this Part is located on your natal chart, then I would be prompted to give you a "heads up" in that she may be intentionally deceiving you or that you may be deceiving your self...and in that sense, and for that purpose, I think that one could call it a 'false love".
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Here are some other options. What is nice is there is a back-up formula for each part since that does happen sometimes.

I think 9th + Venus - 3rd might work for part of false love, or 9th + 7th - 3rd / Asc + 7th - 3rd.
I've only seen seven Parts listed that have a House Cusp (other than the Asc. or M.C.) as the "Personal Point" in a Parts formula but one of those is the Part of Weddings which is Cusp 9th + Cusp 3rd - Venus. So as to the one you listed above that has an opposite formula (swapping places as to the "Significator" and "Trigger") I would immediately come to think of as being a Part of Divorce... although there is one of those already listed as such...or I should say two, as you did supply another one in your previous post.

I had hoped to finish writing tonight my reply to Phoenix Venus' thoughts concerning Parts that involve both the Moon and Neptune being about Dreams, but, as I found I had to rewrite a long footnote I had in the thread on the Listing of all the Parts while including member Dubyadudes new contribution to the list as a Part of Divorce.... I just used up about all the writing that was left in me for this day. I'll get to it just as soon as I can.

..but, I will say for now that I think she's got something there...
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That makes so much sense in context of what i know about you, ptv. Smart man

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