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Unread 04-25-2014, 09:20 AM
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Unhappy Inconjunction

Hey! I want to know if the inconjunction is a bad aspect or a good aspect? I have Venus and Moon (who are in a close conjunction in Scorpio, both at 19 degree) and these planets are in inconjunct with my Gemini ASC; also my Jupiter is inconjunct with my ASC too. Please answer if you know.

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Unread 04-25-2014, 09:21 PM
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Re: Inconjunction

Curious whether you ran across any materials suggesting a "good" side to the inconjunct...?

(though the question may be moot if you follow the not-small camp of astrologers ignoring aspects to anything but planets.)
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Unread 04-25-2014, 09:28 PM
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Its just an aspect. It becomes what it is only when its in a chart. You would have to post your chart to determine what it means to you.

There is no one size fits all in astrology.

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INCONJUNCT: REORGANIZATION, COMES FROM BEHIND,
MURPHY’S LAW, SEVERE PERSONAL STRESS, INVOLVING OF
some kind of physical or emotional health loss, but not seeing it
coming; everything costs more and takes longer than you think
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Unread 04-26-2014, 04:21 AM
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Re: Inconjunction

I have considered it a difficult aspect (one suggesting disharmony, etc)
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Unread 04-26-2014, 01:07 PM
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Re: Inconjunction

This is my natal chart but my birth time is between 4-5 pm, so I usually put it at 4:30...For example if I change my birth time the inconjunction doesn't appear. So I am really confused. I am sorry for the discomfort.

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Unread 04-26-2014, 02:57 PM
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This is my natal chart but my birth time is between 4-5 pm, so I usually put it at 4:30...For example if I change my birth time the inconjunction doesn't appear. So I am really confused. I am sorry for the discomfort.
1. there is no chart here.

2. REAL Astrology requires an accurate birth time, so a time between 4-5 is not terribly useful when a difference of 5 minutes can make the chart completely different.

3. Rectification is possible for your chart, but you would need to know the exact dates of at least six and preferably 10 significant events in your life: births of yours, graduations, death of close friends or close relatives, serious accidents, serious illnesses diagnosis, serious surgeries, marriages, divorces, etc.
Many young people simply haven't have enough big events in their lives to do an accurate rectification. I suggest you write to your hospital of birth and ask for their records.

4. Failing an accurate birth time, some information is available but the stuff that makes you significantly different that someone else who was born around your time won't be there. And as we know, only three percent of the genetic code is what make humans different that gorillas.

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Re: Inconjunction

The rest aside, I find an inconjunct (quincunx) to be a spiritual aspect that is initially difficult but if mastered, can be applied to your entire life as a whole and allow for great gains in spiritual growth. This is why the Yod is considered a major spiritual aspect and contains two inconjuncts.
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Re: Inconjunction

What MDinaz said.... with the addition that: its not an aspect that is easily solved and worked on QUICKLY.

YODS ARE TYPICALLY a geometric configuration which don't come to activation until you are at least past 30 years old, and often not until you reach your 40's or 50's.

Typical with the phrase as above: everything takes longer and costs more that you thought, which is a good phrase for YOUTH to learn. Those of us with 60 or more years behind us know it well.

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Re: Inconjunction

Thank you everyone for the replay. I understand, I will try to go to my hospital to find out my birth time...mom doesn't know exactly because I had complications at birth, I nearly died but she knows surely that is between 4-5pm. That's okay.
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Unread 04-26-2014, 04:48 PM
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Re: Inconjunction

Mister Zarathu what do you mean there is no chart there..? I attached it, is there. Oh well then I guess I didn't put it right!
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Unread 04-26-2014, 05:34 PM
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Re: Inconjunction

It wasn't there when I posted, but it is there now. Some glitch no doubt.
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Unread 04-26-2014, 05:54 PM
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Re: Inconjunction

I don't see a Quincunx (inconjunction). There is no quincunx in your chart.

Changing time of birth in the range of 4-5 pm (one hour) will not significantly change aspects between planets. It will, however, create or extinguish a quincunx between a planet and an Angle.
Birth time is not so critical for purposes of aspects from planet-to-planet.

In your particular chart, even a change of +/- 1/2 hour will leave the MC and quite probably the Asc in the same signs they occupy in this chart-as-published. If I were reasonably certain that a time of 4-5pm embraced actual time of birth, I would do just what you have done and set the chart for 4:30.

The quincunx is an "unfavorable" aspect. Here is what I say about it in my thread "General Effects of the Aspects":

"Quincunx, (Inconjunct) The quincunx (KWIN-cunks) aspect results from the division of the circle by 12, and is irregular, being an angle of 150°, and in medieval terms the two planets involved “do not behold each other.” It is an aspect of disharmony and disjunction. The two planets are in some way inharmonious, out of balance, or out of touch with each other. It creates conditions of uneasiness, irritation, and maladjustment. It operates subliminally, just on the edge of consciousness, and calls for regeneration or reorganization. The aspect tends to operate in a continuous manner. Recognition is lacking. Situations described by the quincunx lack clarity or focus, and are often surrounded by silence, indifference, or disorganization. The things or persons indicated by the planets involved are averse to each other, alienated, out of contact, and not on familiar terms, and yet tend to generate friction, discord, disharmony or upset. This aspect is often involved in questions of ill health and death. Here, the right hand knoweth not what the left doeth. I have an incest chart in my files in which Venus is Ascendant Ruler, posited directly at the Descendant in Scorpio, and tightly quincunx Moon in the 12th; the mother was aware of the abuse to her daughter by the father, but never said a word. She “did not behold” the sexual molestation of her daughter, and “turned a blind eye.” The quincunx produces strain, grating, discomfort, frustration and abrasion. It can indicate “being out of joint,” just not fitting together. Some astrologers suggest this aspect can produce unrealistic expectations or aspirations, while others claim that it is expansive; the first I agree with, the second I question. Judge by your own experience."

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I disagree with Zarathu here. The quincunx, like all other aspects (and including the yod formation), is effective from birth and continues its effects throughout life. I would also point out that what mdinaz says is true ... "I find an inconjunct (quincunx) to be a spiritual aspect that is initially difficult but if mastered, can be applied to your entire life as a whole and allow for great gains in spiritual growth.", it is not everyone who "masters" the aspect. Even when "mastered" (i.e., you have come to terms with it and, through age and experience "grown spiritually"), it can still produce unpleasant states and events. What happens is that the difficult effects of the aspect give us experience in dealing with them, and if we learn to do this, spiritual growth accompanies the process.

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Re: Inconjunction

I don't think it creates unrealistic expectations; I think it creates the situation of "I don't like where I am but I have no idea how to get over yonder and make it better". So one particular area of your life will be perpetually irritating, uncomfortable, or unmanageable - like a fly that keeps landing on your face but you have no idea how to get rid of it. Once you learn to manage the aspect however, this lesson can be applied to ALL areas of your life, not just the one area that was irritated - and thus lift all of you to a higher level of awareness, hence the spirituality of the aspect. I view the sesquiquadrate the same way.

I have a difficult quincunx of Vesta to the Vertex whereupon I continually create realities that do not suit or serve me, and have struggled for years on how to change that. Once I gain mastery over this, I can change ALL my realities, not just the annoying ones that vex me. This is particularly important now as transiting Pluto is quincunx my Sun and Node, so karmic things are happening at this time to bring it all to fruition and force that learning.
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Unread 04-26-2014, 06:32 PM
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Re: Inconjunction

It's kinda a complicated aspect you all said very useful things about it...I thought I had it because it shows me there in the pyramid aspect. I wish I could express myself better and write more but I am not an english person!
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Unread 04-26-2014, 06:34 PM
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Re: Inconjunction

I wholeheartedly agree with your last post and clarification mdinaz.

"Unrealistic expectations" are present in almost everyone's life and are strongly obstructive to spiritual growth. And you are absolutely correct in that, once recognized and corrected in one area of life, the "returned sight" is applied to all areas of life, and spiritual growth (psychological balance and harmony, wisdom, etc) occurs.

I went through such an experience, and when it occurred I used the term "unrealistic expectations" in my own thinking process (not borrowed from some book.) I saw, after 5 years of constant internal struggle and anger, that I was operating on unrealistic expectations, and almost instantly learned that

1. I must constantly be vigilant, and check all my relationships (personal or impersonal) for "unrealistic expectations" (false imposition of should be, could be on circumstances).
2. All that is needed to correct any such situation is to learn to take a different point of view. It is that simple. Just look at things differently and life changes.
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Christiana, there are many many people in this community who are "not English persons."
Their native language is not English.
Who cares?
Just express yourself the best you can and don't worry about it.
We're all here to talk about astrology, not to criticize someone's English.
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Yes, I know this but mostly everytime I can't express myself as I would want, idk why. I just feel like it's a block there. But I got used to it. I understand very well English but when I have to speak/write I manage it but not as I would wish. Of, I don't want to speak about it, haha : ) probably it's just my Saturn square Mercury but I read somewhere that it gets better with time, so I would have to wait, I am just 17 for the moment so no rush.
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Look at it this way...
Writing on this forum is a chance to practice your English and improve it.
Have fun.
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Thank you. Have a nice weekend !
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I disagree with Zarathu here. The quincunx, like all other aspects (and including the yod formation), is effective from birth and continues its effects throughout life. I would also point out that what mdinaz says is true ... "I find an inconjunct (quincunx) to be a spiritual aspect that is initially difficult but if mastered, can be applied to your entire life as a whole and allow for great gains in spiritual growth.", it is not everyone who "masters" the aspect. Even when "mastered" (i.e., you have come to terms with it and, through age and experience "grown spiritually"), it can still produce unpleasant states and events. What happens is that the difficult effects of the aspect give us experience in dealing with them, and if we learn to do this, spiritual growth accompanies the process.
You misread it.

I said that the YOD gets activated, not the inconjunct. I agree that the inconjunct is activated at birth, and have enough of them in my chart to understand Murphy's law intimately.
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Hey! I want to know if the inconjunction is a bad aspect or a good aspect? I have Venus and Moon (who are in a close conjunction in Scorpio, both at 19 degree) and these planets are in inconjunct with my Gemini ASC; also my Jupiter is inconjunct with my ASC too. Please answer if you know.
Hi Cristiana,

First it's important to note that an inconjunction isn't really an aspect in the true sense of the word. Aspects are basically how the planets "look" at each other. Like if you're on a bus and you look up at another guy across the way, you are technically "aspecting" him because you can see him.

Trines, sextiles, squares, and oppositions are true aspects because they involve signs that can see each other. Planets in trine, sextile, square, or opposition are in positions where they can see other planets, look at or make "aspects" to them.

This is why conjunctions aren't truly aspects. When a planet is in conjunction it's not looking at the planet, it's with the planet, breathing down its neck, in bed with it.

For similar reasons (though opposite lol) inconjunctions are not really aspects. An inconjunct is literally the absence of an aspect. The planets aren't looking at each other, they can't see each other, and they're not together. It would be like someone on the other side of town attempting to talk to you as if you were right beside them. You can't see them, they can't see you; there's no connection.

This is why traditional astrologers did not use inconjunctions. The planets are unconnected so why bother?

Because they're blindspots.

Zarathu in his brief list of signifcations mentioned "coming from behind", "Murphy's Law", "not seeing it coming".

That's how an inconjunct works. There's very rarely anything positive about it. The planets can't see each other and thus influence each other in ways that come out of no where and trip each other up. It also shows an inherent lack of communication between planets (greybeard explained all of this).

So let's saw in an EXTREMELY broad manner, than your Sun was in an inconjunct with Mars. Sun represents recognition and vitality, Mars represents aggression and bravery.

This means that there is a disconnect between your tendency to be recognized and your actions. Perhaps you act (Mars) in a brave manner and fail to get recognized, or you get recognized (Sun) when you've done nothing at all. Maybe when you sense of honor is under attack (Sun) you fail to act, but then you lash out at someone (Mars) despite the fact that you're not under attack.

If the Sun ruled the 6th house of illness and Mars ruled your Ascendant we could say that your illnesses (Sun) go unnoticed while you continue to live life as normal (Mars). Though they may cause you problems, you're entirely unaware of the illness until it's too late.

Same goes for house rulers. If Mars ruled your Ascendant and was in a sign where it was inconjunct the Ascendant, it would show a life where you feel disconnected, left in a blindspot, ignored, and hopeless...almost as if you were watching your life go on without you.

A planet rules your 7th and is inconjunct the 7th house? Expect a lot of relationship missteps as you constantly find yourself and the other person on a different page, yet failing to communicate about it.

Interesting note: If you look at disaster charts, you'll tend to see a few potent inconjunctions indicating an event which came out of no where and that no one saw coming.

I wouldn't say that they're necessarily bad (nothing in Astrology is inherently bad) but they are extremely difficult. I'd place them in the same category as squares and oppositions as difficult aspects, but I'd say that they're a little more difficult than those.

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If you have a lot of them, like I do, you will tend to experience life as if the sword of damocles is sitting over your head waiting to fall, because at least in your early life, there will be one more aphorism that goes with an inconjunct:

No Good Deed Goes Unpunished
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Re: Inconjunction

I have quite a different take on the inconjunct. I have written about it here: http://aliceportman.com/yods-and-quincunx/

My conclusions are the result of observing the charts of thousands of clients over many years.

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I have quite a different take on the inconjunct. I have written about it here: http://aliceportman.com/yods-and-quincunx/

My conclusions are the result of observing the charts of thousands of clients over many years.

Alice
Actually, Alice, I don't think that at least you and are in disagreement. You comment about seeing the funny side of life is a direct result of having to live with the sword of damocles possibly falling, or with being stabbed with Murphy's law at every turn. One(like me for example) has a choice of becoming horribly morose, or looking at the whole thing from a humor standpoint.

So yeah. And even the concept of the inconjunct being something that comes from behind: isn't this the very essence of the JOKE? Its something that you didn't expect at all. Like for example, on Facebook somebody just commented:

"Wow this weekend, I had five guys, and I was completely filled up and it was the happiest I've ever been." And the response by another person was, "You are talking about the 5 guys hamburger joint, right?"

Even if you didn't get the sexual innuendo the first time, it was typically come from behind either ways.

So yeah... I agree completely. There is always a different way to experience the endpoints of astrology, but in my experience they are almost always a result of the same starting experience.
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Re: Inconjunction

Because the quincunx aspect is not directly divisible into 360, I consider it a higher-order (spiritual) aspect as it requires combining the affects of multiple aspects to overcome or develop. In this case, you have a square (90) combined with the effects of the sextile (60) - an obstacle combined with opportunity; once mastered it can also be viewed as the trine (120) combined with the semi-sextile (30) - flow of energy combined with making adjustments and bringing out the best of disparate energies.
Why the 90-60 first and not the 120-30 first? Because initially the energy of the quincunx is always viewed as irritating and difficult, in which the energies countered have absolutely nothing in common - not gender, element, mode, hemisphere - nada. It's like an arbiter walking into a room and having to deal with two parties who want opposing things and have nothing in common with each other in order to reach a compromise. But once the arbiter learns to manage this, he can apply this learning to ALL future arbitration meetings, seeking to find common ground between opponents and reaching agreement. As he becomes more skilled at this, he can quickly seek out those elements (flow of energy) to find agreement (common ground). Think here of the semi-sextile - two signs next to each other that do not share gender, element or mode - but they do share hemisphere (either east-west or north-south) - some area of common ground can be found. So the biggest lesson of the quincunx is "adjustment" - finding the best parts of the aspect and learning to adjust with the negative parts of it. Once learned, this can be applied to all areas of life, not just the initial obstacle. It is unlike the more basic harmonic aspects in that it requires more than one step - opposition requires just balance; square requires just going around or through an obstacle; trine just allowing flow of energy. The quincunx requires adaptation and THEN exploitation. It isn't enough to just adapt (square or opposition), or just exploit (trine or sextile), but a two-step process. Without the adaptation, exploitation is not possible; without the exploitation the adaptation is meaningless waste of time.
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