Why does modern astrology portray Scorpio as the strongest sign?

[The19thLaw]

What gives?

[kimiko8]

Sex, secrets, and psychology!

The public is now the internet and the internet makes masking oneself easier. We can discuss the number of moles on my body because it's highly unlikely I'll meet you or anyone on this forum- we can delve into our deepest mind, our secret selves, and finally talk- and listen- and obviously we're going to want to nourish that part of our psyche- the others get taken care of easily in our real lives by known people- but you know and I know there are some things that has to be taken care by faceless people we will never touch.

Such is the appeal of Scorpio, not the people born under the sign, but its aspects within all of us.

Unfortunately superficial astrology websites pick up only what floats to the top, commercializes it for clicks and sensationalism- and also takes advantage of the fact that everyone has something of Scorpio and plays it up so it's all about them sexy, sexy, scorpionic aspects- I mean, wouldn't you like to have proof that you're really deep? That you have layers, like an onion?

Somewhere along the line it becomes that only the Scorpio sunsign bearers are the only people that have the sexy, sexy, scorpionic aspects, as though all of them have all their plants in Scorpio while having at least one Pluto in each of their houses :eyeroll:

I feel poor Scorpio's personality has been thoroughly raped. They are now made to be such a cliche it's sad, and the other signs suffer just as unjustly.

[Ekonomist13]

Originally Posted by kimiko8

Sex, secrets, and psychology!

The public is now the internet and the internet makes masking oneself easier. We can discuss the number of moles on my body because it's highly unlikely I'll meet you or anyone on this forum- we can delve into our deepest mind, our secret selves, and finally talk- and listen- and obviously we're going to want to nourish that part of our psyche- the others get taken care of easily in our real lives by known people- but you know and I know there are some things that has to be taken care by faceless people we will never touch.

Such is the appeal of Scorpio, not the people born under the sign, but its aspects within all of us.

Unfortunately superficial astrology websites pick up only what floats to the top, commercializes it for clicks and sensationalism- and also takes advantage of the fact that everyone has something of Scorpio and plays it up so it's all about them sexy, sexy, scorpionic aspects- I mean, wouldn't you like to have proof that you're really deep? That you have layers, like an onion?

Somewhere along the line it becomes that only the Scorpio sunsign bearers are the only people that have the sexy, sexy, scorpionic aspects, as though all of them have all their plants in Scorpio while having at least one Pluto in each of their houses :eyeroll:

I feel poor Scorpio's personality has been thoroughly raped. They are now made to be such a cliche it's sad, and the other signs suffer just as unjustly.

I mean I guess it depends on what you want to hear, right? xD

But anyway, kinda agree... I have many Scorpios in my life and all those websites talk about is just their outer shell, their mask in society.
However, I've seen the truth sometimes, some places, about them having dark thoughts about death and regeneration, coming back stronger than ever and being intensely physical, are all true.

But what it doesn't say is their fears and disorders which come from their sensitivity to other people's opinions and them own moral standards (which are one of the strongest in the world, in my opinion), but then again, people don't like reading negative stuff, do they??

So they only serve you the positive, and mind you, there are quite a lot of positives...as one would expect considering their large or deep, but certainly dark, unconscious cravings.

[Osamenor]

Originally Posted by kimiko8

Sex, secrets, and psychology!

The public is now the internet and the internet makes masking oneself easier. We can discuss the number of moles on my body because it's highly unlikely I'll meet you or anyone on this forum- we can delve into our deepest mind, our secret selves, and finally talk- and listen- and obviously we're going to want to nourish that part of our psyche- the others get taken care of easily in our real lives by known people- but you know and I know there are some things that has to be taken care by faceless people we will never touch.

Such is the appeal of Scorpio, not the people born under the sign, but its aspects within all of us.

Originally Posted by Ekonomist13

I mean I guess it depends on what you want to hear, right? xD

But anyway, kinda agree... I have many Scorpios in my life and all those websites talk about is just their outer shell, their mask in society.
However, I've seen the truth sometimes, some places, about them having dark thoughts about death and regeneration, coming back stronger than ever and being intensely physical, are all true.

But what it doesn't say is their fears and disorders which come from their sensitivity to other people's opinions and them own moral standards (which are one of the strongest in the world, in my opinion), but then again, people don't like reading negative stuff, do they??

I think these points are just as true of people with significant eighth house placements and/or strong Pluto as they are of those with significant Scorpio. Spoken as someone with a busy eighth house but no Scorpio planets....

[Chrysalis]

I've got an 8th house stellium and strong pluto aspects too. Also a stellium of progressed planets in Scorpio. I'm a strong person, ive been through a lot, but nothing can get me down and keep me down. I always arise from the ashes a different person, better than and stronger than before.

I now refer to myself as miss terminator.

[Lykanized]

I don't think there's any push to portray Scorpio as the strongest sign at all. In fact it's highly given to projection which is a sign of weakness rather than strength, also controlling behavior which is also a sign of weakness rather than strength


I don't think any sign is portrayed as stronger than the rest

[Lykanized]

[deleted response to attacking post - Moderator]

Tbh I got confused here as to whether you were referring to me or the OP in the last two parts of tour message, but I must say, from what I'm observed, the Vlue of astrology one universal level is to deal with one's shadow and attempt to understand what unhealed trauma may be driving another's behavior

I've met Scorpios who live their entire lives avoiding their shadows and projecting it onto others via controlling behavior. Not all will do that, but it takes understanding. They desperately need to go within. And if they wont, then they don't deserve one's time and effort

However, there is power there in that if they do reckon with their shadow, they rise from the ashes. That's just a rarity in all humans, but not just scorpios. And obviously we all have scorpio and pluto in us

I've been there in my own way. I MAY be considered plutonic but have had to observe my own projections

[Opal]

Originally Posted by Lykanized

Tbh I got confused here as to whether you were referring to me or the OP in the last two parts of tour message, but I must say, from what I'm observed, the Vlue of astrology one universal level is to deal with one's shadow and attempt to understand what unhealed trauma may be driving another's behavior

I've met Scorpios who live their entire lives avoiding their shadows and projecting it onto others via controlling behavior. Not all will do that, but it takes understanding. They desperately need to go within. And if they wont, then they don't deserve one's time and effort

However, there is power there in that if they do reckon with their shadow, they rise from the ashes. That's just a rarity in all humans, but not just scorpios. And obviously we all have scorpio and pluto in us

I've been there in my own way. I MAY be considered plutonic but have had to observe my own projections

Pluto is my chart ruler, I am not a Scorpio sun. I am not speaking of you, but the OP, has many threads about the negativity of Scorpio.

And when they rise, they are eagles the other creature associated with Scorpio.

[david starling]

Originally Posted by Opal

Pluto is my chart ruler, I am not a Scorpio sun. I am not speaking of you, but the OP, has many threads about the negativity of Scorpio.

And when they rise, they are eagles the other creature associated with Scorpio.

I have Jupiter in Scorpio/Phoenix: Flashes of insight impatiently awaited, and occurring at irregular intervals.

[Opal]

Originally Posted by david starling

I have Jupiter in Scorpio/Phoenix: Flashes of insight impatiently awaited, and occurring at irregular intervals.

Impatiently is well stated.

Scorpio houses my Ascendant, Venus, and Neptune which is sextile Pluto, that is conjunct my MC.

I have insights, that I had given credit to the Uranus, Mercury, Jupiter, Asc aspects. Hmmm

Neptune and Pluto are at 6.5 and 7 degrees, pretty much everything else is at 24 or 25. Venus is 0.

[david starling]

Originally Posted by The19thLaw

Tell me one placement in astrology more overyhped than a Mars in Scorpio

Sun in Aquarius with Scorpio rising is an amazing combo!

Pluto's upcoming ingress into Aquarius is getting a LOT of attention.

[david starling]

Originally Posted by The19thLaw

I am not judging any sign or having ill will, I am stating facts. Astrology is trying to desperately make one sign out to be all powerful and I am calling out this BS. Not sure why your skin is so thin over it.

What would be the motivation for all Modernistic astrologers to "desperately" portray one Sign as imparting more strength than another? I haven't really noticed it myself (which doesn't necessarily mean it's not happening). Also, there's a lot of disagreement among astrologers in so many areas, it may be that you're "painting with too broad a brush"--you know, "over-generalizing".

[wilsontc]

All,

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Back to astrology,

Tim

[AriesTiger]

I haven’t heard of Scorpio being portrayed as the strongest. I usually hear that Aries is the strongest. Scorpio is known for being the most sexual. Also, in case anyone thinks I’m just saying Aries is the strongest because I’m an Aries, no, I’m not. I may have been born an Aries, but I don’t act like one at all. So I’m not tooting my own horn or anything.

[david starling]

Originally Posted by AriesTiger

I haven’t heard of Scorpio being portrayed as the strongest. I usually hear that Aries is the strongest. Scorpio is known for being the most sexual. Also, in case anyone thinks I’m just saying Aries is the strongest because I’m an Aries, no, I’m not. I may have been born an Aries, but I don’t act like one at all. So I’m not tooting my own horn or anything.

Just to add, that in Tarot, the "Strength" card of the Major Arcana is usually linked to Leo. Also, going by the avatar for Taurus, "the Bull", I wouldn't rule Taurus out regarding strength when it comes to pulling ability.

[lostinstars]

You have to ask Linda Goodman and other modern astrologers who extolled this sign like gods from above favour this sign over other signs.

Strength is a quality of a warrior which can be expressed in two ways - 1) taking action in case of Aries and 2) being patient and comfortable toiling endlessly as seen in all earthy signs. I wonder if modern astrologers took any course on Aristotelian logic before writing books after books?

[Bunraku]

People have been complaining about it for years

See this from a thread 2 years ago

Originally Posted by magnolia8

*scratches head*

I've grown to dislike Pluto to some degree just because of the sheer worship of Pluto/Scorpio in astrology.

Ok, you're Plutonian... and? Is this some magical feat that other mortals cannot attain? Have you been elevated to a higher level of consciousness? What's special about being bestowed a Plutonian? Is it simply an ego boost?

Some people may consider me Plutonian, BTW, so no need to claim I don't understand or am just "jealous." I really want to know why some people with Pluto aspects become so obsessed with it.

[lostinstars]

Originally Posted by Bunraku

People have been complaining about it for years

See this from a thread 2 years ago

I'm a Scorpio Asc. with Pluto in Scorpio, there is nothing special about me, in fact if any I like to think I'm more dense than others because I don't concern myself with everything that is happening on the planet.

It is very unfortunate thing for a bipedal with human intelligence to say that only after the discovery of Pluto we got manhattan project, well Pluto existed before as well so why wasn't atomic energy developed before Pluto was discovered.

When did banking move away from Saturn's domain to Pluto's? Banks, establishments where commoners (Capricorn) save money in lesser denomination compared to insignificant people who save a lot.

Sometimes I feel modern astrology can be classified as a cult where people get trapped and unable to come out but feel good living in their own confines moving around with fellow cult followers but are headed nowhere.

[Bunraku]

you’ve described it!
I don’t know why people write endless paragraphs of Pluto with poetic descriptors as if it accomplishes anything of practical value. People eat it up.

When you try to see what their writing about Pluto, it doesn’t really apply to anything and doesn’t have any deeper meaning. People just like it and believe in it because it sounds pretty and dramatic.

8th house Pluto la petit mors yadayadayada it’s all so pretentious

[Bunraku]

It’s ironic that they try to wow and dazzle you with words about Pluto yet come up with NOTHING of substance, depth or meaning, other than astrology creative writing exercises.

[lostinstars]

Originally Posted by Bunraku

you’ve described it!
I don’t know why people write endless paragraphs of Pluto with poetic descriptors as if it accomplishes anything of practical value. People eat it up.

When you try to see what their writing about Pluto, it doesn’t really apply to anything and doesn’t have any deeper meaning. People just like it and believe in it because it sounds pretty and dramatic.

8th house Pluto la petit mors yadayadayada it’s all so pretentious

They think by doing that Pluto will grant them wealth and power, if it were really the case all the modern astrologers and people who sing laurels of Pluto should have become so wealthy that they don't need to read charts for living.

I don't want to take names but some Western Traditional astrologers and Vedic astrologers are advocating Pluto through their work and readings strongly that it gives wrong impression that this planet is very important.

Originally Posted by Bunraku

It’s ironic that they try to wow and dazzle you with words about Pluto yet come up with NOTHING of substance, depth or meaning, other than astrology creative writing exercises.

According to modern astrology Saturn teaches lessons while a planet equivalent to the speck of dust on the planet Saturn (in terms of size) transforms the consciousness. It is beyond my understanding. People blame cult leaders for doing awful things but should equally blame modern astrologers like Liz Greene, Howard Sasportas and others for brainwashing people for generations together.

[david starling]

This is the Modern Astrology board. Modern astrologers have overwhelmingly accepted Pluto as an important and powerful indicator.

The key word regarding Pluto in Modernistic astrology is "Transformation" .

[lostinstars]

Originally Posted by david starling

This is the Modern Astrology board. Modern astrologers have overwhelmingly accepted Pluto as an important and powerful indicator.

The key word regarding Pluto in Modernistic astrology is "Transformation" .

Valid point, not going to argue on that, but how is that a tiny insignificant planet Pluto came to be known for transformation? Pluto as someone living in underworld overseeing the death and death as a transformation, Pluto came to be known for transformation?

Staying in one sign for close to 2.5 decades, I wonder how much transformation this golf ball would bring in a native's consciousness that can't be explained using other planets?

With a great conviction I can say if this hype that Pluto dominant natives are magnetic, intense, dark yada yada was not there this planet would not have got so much fame. And this is coming from a Pluto in Scorpio with Scorpio Asc.

Lastly if we use the keyword "Transformation" and stamp it on each and every house this planet alone is enough for modern astrologers and for changing the consciousness of a native and the other planets as agents for changing the consciousness will be just useless. RIP

Did someone invent golf when Pluto was invented?

[brainpuddle]

I agree with a number of users here that this is largely due to sensationalist, positive-only, tabloid-style astrology. At a superficial level, it's easy to make Scorpio out as some kind of mysterious, sexy badboy caricature.
But I wouldn't go so far as to say:

Originally Posted by kimiko8

I feel poor Scorpio's personality has been thoroughly raped.

lol
If anything, I think the misconception has been quite favorable to them.

[sentR89day]

I think it's partly because Scorpio was so hated on for so long, that by the start of the new millennium (2000 and after), people started wanting to see the upside of the sign!

I do see that Scorpio can be a very unpleasant energy, just being honest. But, it is the energy that grows flowers from dirt, and that regenerates after you cut off a dragon's head, another dragon's head grows! So, we do need Scorpio energy, even though it is unpleasant at times!