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How much do orbs and degrees matter in synastry?

I tried an experiment on Astro-Seek after making a synastry chart to only include orbs that were at most 1 degree between me and this one woman, these are the ones that came up:

Her Pluto trine my Mars

My Pluto conjunct her Mars (more at 1 degrees than zero)

Her Mars square my Venus

My Mars opposite her Venus

Our Jupiters were trine

Our Saturns were trine

My Node conjunct her Sun

Her Node conjunct my Neptune

Her Uranus trine my Lilith

My moon conjunct her Pluto


What is the significance of the orbs here being 1 degrees max compared to say 5 or 6 degrees?

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Re: How much do orbs and degrees matter in synastry?

There are two ways to evaluate synastry. First, you might use the orb values that are widely accepted, and then you might score the chart by the pros and the cons of the aspects. This works, but love-struck natives often apply wishful thinking to the wide aspects. Being love-struck makes one unreliable as an astrologer.

There is another way that disregards all synastry aspects that are greater than one degree orb. The very close aspects do tend to dominate the synastry. If the closest aspects are discouraging, then the synastry is discouraging by that theory.

A good book that shows the first method is When Planets Promise Love by Rose Murray. A good book that shows the second method is Astrological Compatibility by Lynne Palmer.

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Re: How much do orbs and degrees matter in synastry?

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There are two ways to evaluate synastry. First, you might use the orb values that are widely accepted, and then you might score the chart by the pros and the cons of the aspects. This works, but love-struck natives often apply wishful thinking to the wide aspects. Being love-struck makes one unreliable as an astrologer.

There is another way that disregards all synastry aspects that are greater than one degree orb. The very close aspects do tend to dominate the synastry. If the closest aspects are discouraging, then the synastry is discouraging by that theory.

A good book that shows the first method is When Planets Promise Love by Rose Murray. A good book that shows the second method is Astrological Compatibility by Lynne Palmer.
So what can you make of the close aspects I listed above?
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Re: How much do orbs and degrees matter in synastry?

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I tried an experiment on Astro-Seek after making a synastry chart to only include orbs that were at most 1 degree between me and this one woman, these are the ones that came up:

Her Pluto trine my Mars

My Pluto conjunct her Mars (more at 1 degrees than zero)

Her Mars square my Venus

My Mars opposite her Venus

Our Jupiters were trine

Our Saturns were trine

My Node conjunct her Sun

Her Node conjunct my Neptune

Her Uranus trine my Lilith

My moon conjunct her Pluto


What is the significance of the orbs here being 1 degrees max compared to say 5 or 6 degrees?
The synastry is problematic, but if you don't care if the relationship is not peaceful, perhaps you will find a way to enjoy it.

The harmonious aspects are not without value, but they are between planets that are not central to romance or relating. Your Jupiters are trine and your Saturns are trine, but that is not a critical contribution to marital bliss.

The Mars/Venus aspects are certainly passionate and central to romance, but they suggest serious problems. There is strong attraction between you and your love interest and sexual passion, but there may be little compatibility, and the relationship may be troubled by jealousy and insensitivity.

Pluto conjunct Mars is a dangerous synastry aspect. Two determined wills that tend toward ruthlessness will square off in this relationship.

This is based on the several close aspects. I have not seen the rest. The strong Venus/Mars component is passionate and romantic, and that will make it very difficult to make a cool assessment.
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Re: How much do orbs and degrees matter in synastry?

Doesn't Pluto + Mars also mean a lot of hot sex though?
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Re: How much do orbs and degrees matter in synastry?

The astrology site, cafeastrology.com, has a good synastry guide with a scoring method that is quite valuable.
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Doesn't Pluto + Mars also mean a lot of hot sex though?
It probably does.
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Re: How much do orbs and degrees matter in synastry?

I don't trust astrology cafe too much lol, it's BS IMO, I find Astro Dienst and Astro Seek more reliable.

Also, just googled

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Mars-Pluto contacts in synastry show an overwhelming passion, intensified sexuality, lust, and competitiveness between a couple. Assertiveness and power are likely to be significant themes with this combination, but there is also this crazy, wonderful sexual magnetism. Imagine the drama, intense heat and blazing theatrical scenes when these two form a union. Pluto is fiercely proud and Mars is independent, and neither will tolerate control, and the power struggles begin.
http://theastrologyplacemembership.c...luto-synastry/
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Re: How much do orbs and degrees matter in synastry?

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There are two ways to evaluate synastry. First, you might use the orb values that are widely accepted, and then you might score the chart by the pros and the cons of the aspects. This works, but love-struck natives often apply wishful thinking to the wide aspects. Being love-struck makes one unreliable as an astrologer.

There is another way that disregards all synastry aspects that are greater than one degree orb. The very close aspects do tend to dominate the synastry. If the closest aspects are discouraging, then the synastry is discouraging by that theory.

A good book that shows the first method is When Planets Promise Love by Rose Murray. A good book that shows the second method is Astrological Compatibility by Lynne Palmer.
oooohhhh i like you! i count orbs of 0 and 1 degree. anything else higher has to be really impressive and never above 3. and i am one of the love struck idiots you were talking about lol!
the frequency of orbs that low seem rare enough to be significant. or its just math. i dont know. but happy to see someone else is a little strict about this. i see 8 or 9 degrees and i just cant even bother with it.
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oooohhhh i like you! i count orbs of 0 and 1 degree. anything else higher has to be really impressive and never above 3. and i am one of the love struck idiots you were talking about lol!
the frequency of orbs that low seem rare enough to be significant. or its just math. i dont know. but happy to see someone else is a little strict about this. i see 8 or 9 degrees and i just cant even bother with it.
Same here, I think anything above 3 degrees is a waste of time, even if it is a sun-moon aspect.
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Re: How much do orbs and degrees matter in synastry?

"Mars-Pluto contacts in synastry show an overwhelming passion, intensified sexuality, lust, and competitiveness between a couple. Assertiveness and power are likely to be significant themes with this combination, but there is also this crazy, wonderful sexual magnetism. Imagine the drama, intense heat and blazing theatrical scenes when these two form a union. Pluto is fiercely proud and Mars is independent, and neither will tolerate control, and the power struggles begin."

My first wife's Pluto is exactly conjunct my Mars. Crazy wonderful sexual magnetism, overwhelming passion, intensified sexuality, lust all fit well. There is no competitiveness nor power struggles between us. Control was never an issue for either of us.
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"Mars-Pluto contacts in synastry show an overwhelming passion, intensified sexuality, lust, and competitiveness between a couple. Assertiveness and power are likely to be significant themes with this combination, but there is also this crazy, wonderful sexual magnetism. Imagine the drama, intense heat and blazing theatrical scenes when these two form a union. Pluto is fiercely proud and Mars is independent, and neither will tolerate control, and the power struggles begin."

My first wife's Pluto is exactly conjunct my Mars. Crazy wonderful sexual magnetism, overwhelming passion, intensified sexuality, lust all fit well. There is no competitiveness nor power struggles between us. Control was never an issue for either of us.
Whoever I have had this contact with, we had an amazing attraction to each other.
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