Age of Aquarius May Not Be So Great

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While I'm not particularly interested in this topic, I have been following the conversation and some thoughts about what the Aquarian age might bring to the planet have been forming in my head. So here goes my conjecture.

I think that to get a handle on how the Aquarian age is likely to pan out we need to take a zoomed out perspective on just what Aquarius is. Deconstructing the various archetypes/memes attached to the sign to get to a more global understanding of the sign and by extension how the age would unfold.

Some of the "memes" associated with Aquarius are Saturn, Uranus, Air, Fixity, 11th house, Humanity, and the water-bearer. These different elements have all been associated with Aquarius either from ancient times or modernly.

I'm going to focus on humanity for now.The symbols of the fixed signs are the bull for Taurus, Lion for Leo, Eagle for Scropio and Humans (the water-bearer) for Aquarius. All of these animals display dominance/supremacy and are the apex in their various eco-systems. An age of Aquarius may suggest and Age of Humanity where our species really comes into its own. But what are some of the things that distinguish us from other creatures? For one, we reason. Reason is the mental powers concerned with forming conclusions, judgments, or inferences.

It's this ability that allows us to deconstruct the world around us and re-purpose it to fit to our aims and purposes. Detachment is heavily associated with this Sign and its interesting that our reasoning powers are the latest to develop in our species with the instincts and emotions being magnitudes more familiar to us. Reasoning goes hand-in-hand with humanity and Aquarius is the human. A lot of interesting correlations stem from this; like Aquarius' heavy reliance on reason above more "primitive" faculties, Aquarius' reputation of being innovative and futuristic as its correspondence is literally to the "most evolved" part of our being i.e the pre-frontal cortex.

Not only our reasoning but other qualities that makes us "human". Is it our sentience, consciousness ; our soul? This age may usher in knowledge that illuminate these mysteries to us. If this is the age of humanity - A true supremacy of our species - then the development of these things among the wider population sounds very plausible in the grand scheme of things. Looking at it from this angle I can see the case for spiritual awakening and clear consciousness. We see an evolution from our instincts and emotions (which we share from other species) and move towards becoming more "human" (reason, consciousness, sentience, soul).
 
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david starling

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J.A., the stars shift through the Tropical Zodiac. They're locked in place in Sidereal coordinates. Conversely, the seasonal points shift through the Sidereal Zodiac, and are locked in place Tropically. All movement is relative to what is being held fixed. One coordinate system is as valid as another, and each has its own internal integrity. How useful it is, depends on what the User wants from it.
We do have fairly good records for the Sidereal Ages of Taurus and Aries, both of which show strong evidence of goddess worship, and the importance of religious beliefs. The Age of Pisces is no more "all about religion" than those Ages.
 
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Flapjacks

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david starling said:
Flapjacks, not Collectivism--functional Anarchy. Impossible in the current Age.
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Hmm.. thinking further, you are right. Much of the "corruption" of the Aquarian ideals that we see now comes from the intervention of Capricorn influence (can still show positive, but I'm pointing out the negative here). This is a nice example (from Jaron Lanier, honestly, read this book). Notice he speaks of the time when Uranus and Neptune moved through Capricorn:

EXCERPT FROM: YOU ARE NOT A GADGET

A Happy Surprise

The rise of the web was a rare instance when we learned new, positive information about human potential. Who would have guessed (at least at first) that millions of people would put so much effort into a project without the presence of advertising, commercial motive, threat of punishment, charismatic figures, identity politics, exploitation of the fear of death, or any of the other classic motivators of mankind. In vast numbers, people did something cooperatively, solely because it was a good idea, and it was beautiful.

Some of the more wild-eyed eccentrics in the digital world had guessed that it would happen—but even so it was a shock when it actually did come to pass. It turns out that even an optimistic, idealistic philosophy is realizable. Put a happy philosophy of life in software, and it might very well come true!

Technology Criticism Shouldn’t Be Left to the Luddites

But not all surprises have been happy.

This digital revolutionary still believes in most of the lovely deep ideals that energized our work so many years ago. At the core was a sweet faith in human nature. If we empowered individuals, we believed, more good than harm would result.

The way the internet has gone sour since then is truly perverse. The central faith of the web‟s early design has been superseded by a different faith in the centrality of imaginary entities epitomized by the idea that the internet as a whole is coming alive and turning into a superhuman creature. The designs guided by this new, perverse kind of faith put people back in the shadows.

The fad for anonymity has undone the great opening-of-everyone‟s-windows of the 1990s. While that reversal has empowered sadists to a degree, the worst effect is a degradation of ordinary people.

Part of why this happened is that volunteerism proved to be an extremely powerful force in the first iteration of the web. When businesses rushed in to capitalize on what had happened, there was something of a problem, in that the content aspect of the web, the cultural side, was functioning rather well without a business plan.

Google came along with the idea of linking advertising and searching, but that business stayed out of the middle of what people actually did online. It had indirect effects, but not direct ones. The early waves of web activity were remarkably energetic and had a personal quality. People created personal “homepages,” and each of them was different, and often strange. The web had flavor.

Entrepreneurs naturally sought to create products that would inspire demand (or at least hypothetical advertising opportunities that might someday compete with Google) where there was no lack to be addressed and no need to be filled, other than greed. Google had discovered a new permanently entrenched niche enabled by the nature of digital technology. It turns out that the digital system of representing people and ads so they can be matched is like MIDI. It is an example of how digital technology can cause an explosive increase in the importance of the “network effect.” Every element in the system—every computer, every person, every bit—comes to depend on relentlessly detailed adherence to a common standard, a common point of exchange.
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CapAquaPis

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Thinking more into what the Aquarian age has in store for the future world, humanity might be more collectivized and socialistic, but would we end up living in a more authoritarian or rigidly controlled world? Astrologers view the Aquarian age in a two-sided paradigm: one side humanity is free with no socially imposed restrictions, the other is contained in an ant farm-like colony. People will still believe in something, anything to follow in their daily lives and their future goals they strive for. Will the world believe in more or less government...in order to be free and also secure from any dangers?

The 20th century AD was among the bloodiest time periods in world history and the rise (and fall) of two ideologies: Fascism (such as Nazism) and Marxism (most notably Communism), known to massacred millions of people when and where practiced. The ideologies of racial homogeneity and classless societies, both rely on absolute power of the nation-state, can destroy whole minority groups, erase individual liberties and prevent democratic moderation. Post-1960s western or free world countries rejected homogeneity in favor of multiculturalism and esp. since 1990, global capitalism replaced extreme socialism (Leninism) to run the world's many national economies. Personally, I don't want ethno-racist segregated classes, nor totalitarian-based "equality" regimes (examples the third Reich in 1930s-40s Germany and the Soviet Union 1917-91, now Russia), but I look at the USA as fragmenting into Balkanized racial and socioeconomic castes turned on each other, even when tolerance and opportunity should be what the Aquarian age will provide us.

Not only official or institutional racism ended in South Africa (Apartheid from 1948-early 90s) and a few communist economies adapted capitalist policies (post-Maoist China since 1976-80), I look forward to let's say Saudi Arabia turn away from Wahhabi Sunnite Islamic theocracy which banned every other religion than their own official state faith and the abolition of strict sex/gender segregation they have there, and I predict American society rejects Reaganomics or "trickle down" economic policies that hurt the middle class and increased overall poverty rates in the US, it's all possible in this new age symbolized by Aquarius...then again, will the world be much free as individuals, complete equal opportunity, and governments run on democratic vote?
 
JUPITERASC

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CapAquaPis said:
Thinking more into what the Aquarian age has in store for the future world, humanity might be more collectivized and socialistic, but would we end up living in a more authoritarian or rigidly controlled world? Astrologers view the Aquarian age in a two-sided paradigm: one side humanity is free with no socially imposed restrictions, the other is contained in an ant farm-like colony. People will still believe in something, anything to follow in their daily lives and their future goals they strive for. Will the world believe in more or less government...in order to be free and also secure from any dangers?

The 20th century AD was among the bloodiest time periods in world history and the rise (and fall) of two ideologies: Fascism (such as Nazism) and Marxism (most notably Communism), known to massacred millions of people when and where practiced. The ideologies of racial homogeneity and classless societies, both rely on absolute power of the nation-state, can destroy whole minority groups, erase individual liberties and prevent democratic moderation. Post-1960s western or free world countries rejected homogeneity in favor of multiculturalism and esp. since 1990, global capitalism replaced extreme socialism (Leninism) to run the world's many national economies. Personally, I don't want ethno-racist segregated classes, nor totalitarian-based "equality" regimes (examples the third Reich in 1930s-40s Germany and the Soviet Union 1917-91, now Russia), but I look at the USA as fragmenting into Balkanized racial and socioeconomic castes turned on each other, even when tolerance and opportunity should be what the Aquarian age will provide us.

Not only official or institutional racism ended
in South Africa (Apartheid from 1948-early 90s)
and a few communist economies adapted capitalist policies
(post-Maoist China since 1976-80),

I look forward to let's say Saudi Arabia turn away from Wahhabi Sunnite Islamic theocracy
which banned every other religion than their own official state faith and the abolition of strict sex/gender segregation they have there,

and I predict American society rejects Reaganomics or "trickle down" economic policies
that hurt the middle class and increased overall poverty rates in the US, it's all possible in this new age symbolized by Aquarius...

then again, will the world be much free as individuals, complete equal opportunity, and governments run on democratic vote?
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Keep in mind that Slavery did not end with abolition in the 19th century :smile:

SLAVERY continues today in one form or another in every country in the world.
From women forced into prostitution
children and adults forced to work in agriculture domestic work
or factories and sweatshops producing goods for global supply chains
entire families forced to work for nothing to pay off generational debts;
or girls forced to marry older men, the illegal practice still blights contemporary world.

According to the International Labour Organisation (ILO)
around 21 million men, women and children around the world are in a form of slavery http://www.antislavery.org/english/slavery_today/what_is_modern_slavery.aspx

Perhaps the so-called "Age of Aquarius" could be a time when slavery LITERALLY ENDS WORLDWIDE
 
CapAquaPis

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JUPITERASC said:
Keep in mind that Slavery did not end with abolition in the 19th century :smile:

SLAVERY continues today in one form or another in every country in the world.
From women forced into prostitution
children and adults forced to work in agriculture domestic work
or factories and sweatshops producing goods for global supply chains
entire families forced to work for nothing to pay off generational debts;
or girls forced to marry older men, the illegal practice still blights contemporary world.

According to the International Labour Organisation (ILO)
around 21 million men, women and children around the world are in a form of slavery http://www.antislavery.org/english/slavery_today/what_is_modern_slavery.aspx

Perhaps the so-called "Age of Aquarius" could be a time when slavery LITERALLY ENDS WORLDWIDE
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I'm aware slavery isn't over, nor the immoral practice would be totally abolished in our lifetimes. Child Labor has become illegal in the US and developed countries, but most products we purchased are made in other nations (i.e. China, India, Philippines, Africa, Latin America, etc.) where child labor is still legal and widely practiced. Sex trafficking is a huge international illicit business and the most affected places are Southeast Asia (catering to racial fetishism and pedophilia demands of western male tourists), Eastern Europe (part of the mail-order bride trade and adult dancers or strippers) and the Middle east (a system of "traditional" Islamist religious abuses of women).
 
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Dubyadude1986

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"Saturn structure, Uranus breaking through and Neptune spiritualising and refining."

Great article.

http://www.astrologyinstitute.com/a...iberating-uranus-and-aquarius-from-each-other

These planets and this unique stellium they form will drive the beginning of the age. They already are and it's a Neptune/Uranus tag team. Notice how Uranus and Saturn are both already associated with Aquarius and Neptune is kind of what accomplishes the changeover as a leaving Pisces nudge. Gluttons for punishment in the beginning of life until later on because it is altruistic in nature without the Saturn well-being of self-interest. Probably until around their Saturn returns... I am calling it 2020 as opposed to 2030 and sooner than later. Two or three years away and the 88s are already starting to go through it. There's no way someone didn't lose at least 20 years somewhere... Or haven't found 20 years yet, either or.

Neptune leaving Pisces is also going to allow many people to wonder what exactly they have been doing and the entire world might become more productive, albeit more violent for a short period with it going into Aries.

Also, Neptune transiting from Pisces to Aries in 2020s should allow for people to start choosing which forms of medicine practice they prefer at the expense of big-pharma, losing patients to holsitic and chinese medicines that are covered by insurances in certain countries. People might actually medically identify like they do religiously, which goes into this other stuff with identity.

Then people will make up these new ones and get mad that a one month old medical practice can't be used which is then challenged in the supreme court because of both sides arguing for the Constitutions final word... Neptune leaving Pisces.

"Neptune was in Aries from 1862 until 1875 leading to pioneering efforts in chemistry, drugs, spiritualism, and comparative religion or tendencies toward self-deception and illusions."
http://www.san.beck.org/Astro-Neptune.html
 
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Kitchy

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Dub wrote:

"Neptune leaving Pisces is also going to allow many people to wonder what exactly they have been doing and the entire world might become more productive, albeit more violent for a short period with it going into Aries."

Neptune in Pisces brought us to the point of anything goes, nothing matters, all about love and polite-ically correctness and tolerance for everyone in the world who believes that they are more special, due more rights, entitled to exploit and capitalize on their 'differences' than general humanity is. And the less evolved, more ordinary mortals, stood by and watched in numb apathy because all is good when things are bad and heads in sand work for blocking out the cacophony.

Neptune in Aries - fire and water - steam, energy, boilers. Aries doesn't hold much for fuzzy dreams, more like Action Jackson - and won't take well to following the same path as Neptune Pisces did. Aries, Mars ruled - leader. We are already in wars, all over the world - but Neptune in Pisces just couldn't bring us collectively to address it other than from human touchy feely concepts. As Neptune is very good at not only avoiding the harsher realities, but actually replacing them with fantastic floaty images of 'everything is okay'.

Neptune in Aries won't be so obliging. Neptune moves too slow and too uncertainly for Mars. Mars isn't above a power swim when necessary. I think we're going to see harder times as we get more active and reality-based in the hear and now of what's going on in the world. It could even be some big grid wipeout being that Uranus is in Aries and those two need each other to really ***** things up for everybody.

I'm working quietly to go off the grid survival style, just in case. An alternative plan.
 
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CapAquaPis

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The next age of Aquarius is believed to mark a shift of gender energies after 100,000 previous years of being masculine dominant, we're entering a more feminine epoch when humanity wants more peace and income redistribution not more war and elite domination. The transition began 55 years ago around 1961, which we all know the 1960s was a period of global social change.

The conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn in Aquarius in Jan. 2021 and Pluto in the same degree when the US declared indepedence (1776) in 2024 marks the completion of the transition of the age of Aquarius. Humanity decided to take a more egalitarian path in the Capricorn and Harmonic convergences (1962 and 1987 respectively) and then the mystical date Dec 21, 2012.

And this talk of a post-racial and now post-gender society, where in the US, the current president Barack Obama is half African descent (Kenyan Muslim father, White American mother), should signify the end of restrictive white privilege and soon a female president (Hillary Clinton?) can mean the end of patriarchy rule. This is taking place in the final decade of this transition.

In the US, transgender people are in the spotlight for social and political equality in the last decade, women can serve in battle combat missions in the US Armed forces and uterus/womb transplants could possibly have cisgender male volunteers to bear and give birth to babies in the future, since transgender men can biologically get pregnant with female anatomy.
 
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When I think of the Age of Aquarius, I think of Charles Manson and his gang of criminals. I think The Manson family represented the darker side of That era, the Age of Aquarius, with their extremity in freedom, in philosophy. unrestrained freedom and liberty become dangerous. Aquarius is similar to Sagittarius in the way they are both philosophical. They deal with believe system and social structure. Both signs can act as independent and misfits. and their darker side involves extremity and rebelliousness. All in all, the Mansons represented the dark side of Aquarius in their rebelliousness, freedom and eccentricity.

On the other hand, Many countries became independent during that era. Reason why so many of these countries became free because of the importance of human rights (Aquarius) during the era.

Minority groups start to ask for their freedom within the country. In Algeria "part of arab world", Amazigh native inhabitants of the country and an ethnic group of people marched to demand split from Algeria. In US, we witnessed the Black Panther movement. That's why i think Aquarius rules the minority.
 

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AppLeo

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Aquarius to me is the narcissistic sign, so everyone's gonna be selfish narc bags. Especially with the internet with people wanting likes on their pictures, and technology making things so easy that we feel entitled to an easy life and that people should just be understood for their "weird" differences.

Honestly, I think the age of aquarius will be pretty cool. Especially towards the capricorn cusp, things will really start to get into shape. Wasn't the age of pisces 2000 years ago when christ was born, or am I just lost. The age of pisces seems pretty awful with all the war on religion in stuff. The age of aquarius should be much better.
 
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david starling

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AppLeo said:
Aquarius to me is the narcissistic sign, so everyone's gonna be selfish narc bags. Especially with the internet with people wanting likes on their pictures, and technology making things so easy that we feel entitled to an easy life and that people should just be understood for their "weird" differences.

Honestly, I think the age of aquarius will be pretty cool. Especially towards the capricorn cusp, things will really start to get into shape. Wasn't the age of pisces 2000 years ago when christ was born, or am I just lost. The age of pisces seems pretty awful with all the war on religion in stuff. The age of aquarius should be much better.
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Does it make sense to you that the Age of Pisces, a Sign known for tolerance and cooperation (even when it's Mars in Pisces), would be "pretty awful with all the war...."? Cyril Fagan, one of the founders of Modern-siderealism, thought it looks like an Age of Aries, for that reason. And, if it it's wrong for the Age of Pisces, why should we trust the ayanamsa for the Age of Aquarius? Food for thought!:whistling:
 
AppLeo

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david starling said:
Does it make sense to you that the Age of Pisces, a Sign known for tolerance and cooperation (even when it's Mars in Pisces), would be "pretty awful with all the war...."? Cyril Fagan, one of the founders of Modern-siderealism, thought it looks like an Age of Aries, for that reason. And, if it it's wrong for the Age of Pisces, why should we trust the ayanamsa for the Age of Aquarius? Food for thought!:whistling:
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No that was the age of pisces. Religion and all that is so pisces. Aries doesn't give a -bleep- about religion. Pisces can be a feisty sign. I've met some Pisces with their Mercury in Aries and they get angry so easily :lol:
 
craft94

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A part of me thinks humanity is just cursed and we've been experiencing mostly the dark side of pretty much every age. Like, what David Starling said about Pisces.
I don't want this to be the case, but it's certainly how it seems. Hopefully, we can change this with enough effort.
I don't know much about this but aren't we in the Kali Yuga? Could that have an effect on the way these astrological ages manifest? (why do I have a feeling I mentioned this before?)
 
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david starling

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AppLeo said:
No that was the age of pisces. Religion and all that is so pisces. Aries doesn't give a -bleep- about religion. Pisces can be a feisty sign. I've met some Pisces with their Mercury in Aries and they get angry so easily :lol:
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Just the point. Merc in Pisces is fairly peaceful. An Age of Pisces SHOULD be fairly peaceful. Obviously, something wrong with how the Ages are being calculated.:annoyed:Way too greedy an Age, also.:smile: I mean, for an Age of Pisces. And, why are they supposed to run in backwards order? Pisces comes after Aquarius, not before it.
 
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AppLeo

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david starling said:
Just the point. Merc in Pisces is fairly peaceful. An Age of Pisces SHOULD be fairly peaceful. Obviously, something wrong with how the Ages are being calculated.:annoyed:Way too greedy an Age, also.:smile:
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I guess humans are just lame. I wonder what the world was like during the age of Leo. Maybe I was a king in a past life.
 
Kitchy

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humans aren't "lame"

we've been brainwashed to be "lame-ified"

when we get back to basics - hunting and gathering and nurturing and growing our own food source - taking care of our own, and not exploiting others, it will be the ultimate Age of Aquarius.
 
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david starling

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Kitchy said:
humans aren't "lame"

we've been brainwashed to be "lame-ified"

when we get back to basics - hunting and gathering and nurturing and growing our own food source - taking care of our own, and not exploiting others, it will be the ultimate Age of Aquarius.
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When we get our Astral-vision back, our behavior will vastly improve. It's been a very rough Fall, and the Transition will be easier for some than for others. The resilience of the human spirit is nothing short of remarkable!:love::ninja:
 
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