What signs tend to do well against Scorpios in power struggles and confrontations?

Abby83

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What house is the pluto conjunct Saturn in and mars square Jupiter?

My ex from a few months ago had mars square Jupiter and I could really feel the negativity of it strongly because he would want to put me down because he felt insecure and just generally was not a nice person to be around. He also has Venus in Aries conjunct the MC and I could really see the complete bullying, selfish and angry nature he had. Of course, I can be selfish too but he was basically attempting to bully me and create all this conflict so I had to finish it and he was pathetic. I would not have sex with him and he thought he was entitled to it as well, disgusting.

However, a guy I have started talking to and have known for years and is a really nice guy, also has mars square Jupiter. I'm getting to know him more just now and I cannot see him ever being the bullying type. I can see it showing up in the way he does not want to admit if he is struggling and likes to put a face of success on in public. For example, he describes himself as a tortured artist and an ex actor and published artist. He has indeed been on tv in the past and he says he is an artist because he has had a cd published. So I guess its more competitive with him. His last gf was ill a lot with manic depression and I see he has as many troubles as her because he is depressed right now, but wont admit it. Well, if that is the way mars square Jupiter shows in his chart, then it's not so bad. He also has moon conjunct Saturn and admits feeling very responsible toward people, so maybe that is what balances the energy.

Another person with mars square Jupiter and also has the conjunction between pluto and Saturn, is pretty cruel. Have you ever seen Mean Girls? She is the Regina George - everyone thinks she is popular and kind but she is also extremely bullyish to those she considers beneath her, or makes up rumours about those she is threatened by and people listen to her. The more threatened she feels, the more she wants to destroy you.

However, it is funny because I have related to your story about the narcissism around you. The energy is in your chart so maybe it is showing up in the people around you? Pluto energy is funny like that, if you don't express the darkness then the darkness is projected around you type thing?

This is interesting to see how aspects work and how they manifest depending on our behaviour. So, if you choose not to be mean or cruel, then other people are cruel to you? I don't get it lol. Maybe you have subconsciously chosen cruel people? :andy:

I guess houses and signs play a big role.

My Saturn and Pluto is in 12th house so that would mean that source of power and control is hidden from my view or inaccessible or unconscious. 12th house is the last house so the power isn’t as important to me. 12th house can be too giving and kind. But other ppl my age would have this aspect too and I must say I got along very well with ppl my age growing up. I only had power struggles and racism once I became an adult and had to work.

Mars in my chart is in Virgo 11th house and squares Jupiter in sag in 1st house. I find this gives me huge amounts of energy that can bottle up and explode if restricted or sedentary. If I don’t get to unleash that energy the tension can come out with irritable defensive harsh words which are used to get rid of the controlling ppl blocking me.

With your last sentence, that is exactly what I experience. I am just so nice to ppl and then after a while some will project the cruelty onto me. But that’s how some ppl are and they do it to lots of ppl. But i see it commonly in the signs opposite to mine, like Taurus and Aries. I was watching Dave schappel last night and every now and then he’d toss in an comment that was a little insulting to someone in the crowd and I would never have the guts to say that.

With the OP, the situation is common to most ppl where a sun sign squares your sun sign. Like I find most Capricorn ppl try to use me from get go. Then if I look at the sun placement, I’ve noticed the ones I get along with have sun trine my mars and sextile my Saturn. The ones I don’t get along with have sun and mercury square my sun and Pluto.
 

Whoam1

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I guess houses and signs play a big role.

My Saturn and Pluto is in 12th house so that would mean that source of power and control is hidden from my view or inaccessible or unconscious. 12th house is the last house so the power isn’t as important to me. 12th house can be too giving and kind. But other ppl my age would have this aspect too and I must say I got along very well with ppl my age growing up. I only had power struggles and racism once I became an adult and had to work.

Mars in my chart is in Virgo 11th house and squares Jupiter in sag in 1st house. I find this gives me huge amounts of energy that can bottle up and explode if restricted or sedentary. If I don’t get to unleash that energy the tension can come out with irritable defensive harsh words which are used to get rid of the controlling ppl blocking me.

With your last sentence, that is exactly what I experience. I am just so nice to ppl and then after a while some will project the cruelty onto me. But that’s how some ppl are and they do it to lots of ppl. But i see it commonly in the signs opposite to mine, like Taurus and Aries. I was watching Dave schappel last night and every now and then he’d toss in an comment that was a little insulting to someone in the crowd and I would never have the guts to say that.

With the OP, the situation is common to most ppl where a sun sign squares your sun sign. Like I find most Capricorn ppl try to use me from get go. Then if I look at the sun placement, I’ve noticed the ones I get along with have sun trine my mars and sextile my Saturn. The ones I don’t get along with have sun and mercury square my sun and Pluto.

More and more I'm doubting the recessive qualities of houses on non luminary planets, example my 8th house moon in Leo aspects harshly my Pluto in Scorpio, It colors the moon so dark and kind of consumes it in a sense (It's like the lion is wrapped around by a python while trying to fight a mamba), the moon here is very dark and it's a good thing in a sense I feel more than even some Scorpio moons. However, Pluto aspects Chiron black moon Lilith and Antares in the 12th house in Scorpio, my Mercury is in Scorpio on the AC later in the sign but it feels the 12th houses effects to an extent too. These bodies being so dark are already negatively charged so by applying a negative charged house (2 negatives make a positive) in this repressed place it feels like a ******* supper battery, not some hidden force to me, only some others see it however.
 

aquarius7000

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Hi,

Firstly, I completely agree with IleneK’s post.

If, just to be a bit lighthearted about this, I were to consider Mars in Sco., I would say that it’s strongest competitors are Mars in Cap (exalted) and then Mars in Aries (dignified).

I agree with almost everything you said.
Though I dont understand why Scorpio Moon could be better than Scorpio Sun? There are two different qualities expressed by Moon and Sun, I dont think we can compare. :unsure: But if you want to explain...

So you mean your Moon is in Scorpio + conjunct Pluto + in the 8th house? This is what you've meant? :andy:
Iriishka, Moon in Sco is perhaps the worse placement for the Moon. Moon is in fall there and cannot function properly there. Of course, certain beneficial aspects from a strong Venus or Jupiter can help her.
 
On another note I do believe in striving for a positive outcome for yourself. You can’t control other ppl but you can control your actions and feelings. I read someone say you are a Leo sun? That makes sense. Leo loves to be the leader, take initiative, be free and independent. But I often see Leo’s get jealous of Scorpios and Scorpios not wanting to follow and adore leo’s lead. I’ve never understood it. It would be good to see your chart though. I mean perhaps you need to put yourself in a better position to lead if that’s what you want. I mean it sounds like you don’t like having a boss at all. I don’t either lol (I have Leo MC).

Completely wrong.

More like I am trying to advance my career and go for my goals, scumbag Scorpio is standing in the way trying to actively ruin it. Also had scumbag father (unfortunate he is still in good health tbh) who stood in the way of my dreams.
 

Abby83

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Completely wrong.

More like I am trying to advance my career and go for my goals, scumbag Scorpio is standing in the way trying to actively ruin it. Also had scumbag father (unfortunate he is still in good health tbh) who stood in the way of my dreams.
I get it. But I don't think its so much a sign problem as it is what squares or opposes in your chart. Like for me capricorns all treat me like ****. They don't think I'm 'strong enough.' Capricorn squares me and I've found capricorns to be scumbags. Yet other ppl might say how generous and loving they are.
 

Whoam1

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I get it. But I don't think its so much a sign problem as it is what squares or opposes in your chart. Like for me capricorns all treat me like ****. They don't think I'm 'strong enough.' Capricorn squares me and I've found capricorns to be scumbags. Yet other ppl might say how generous and loving they are.

Aquarius opp. My moon and square my AC. Tarurus Squares my Moon and opp my AC. This means trouble with Aquarius and Tarurus, which I have seen some of in my life. (This is my sidereal chart n again it's not accurate than my trop.) I think Taurus can be gay lazy and dramatic and Aquarius is cold and detached. I've learned to line them but I still have more issues with the sign of Taurus in general.
 

Abby83

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Aquarius opp. My moon and square my AC. Tarurus Squares my Moon and opp my AC. This means trouble with Aquarius and Tarurus, which I have seen some of in my life. (This is my sidereal chart n again it's not accurate than my trop.) I think Taurus can be gay lazy and dramatic and Aquarius is cold and detached. I've learned to line them but I still have more issues with the sign of Taurus in general.

Well this is exactly the point I’m making.
 

Abby83

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I'm agreeing with you. 🙂

Yeah that's what I meant. I just read my response and it did sound a little hard didn't it. Funny how words can sound different on here than in my head. But yeah basically I was trying g to say that I agree with you.
 

Whoam1

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Yeah that's what I meant. I just read my response and it did sound a little hard didn't it. Funny how words can sound different on here than in my head. But yeah basically I was trying g to say that I agree with you.

I have AC on Mercury in Scorpio exact, and it's exactly Sextlie mars in Capricorn.... needless to say with my sag sun I can sound harsh.
 

aquarius7000

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Completely wrong.
I think it would be more friendly to first acknowledge that another forum member is trying to help you and thank them at least before so brashly saying that they are "completely wrong". I do understand that you may not agree with what they said and its ok to point that out. I too do not completely agree with what Abby has written as far as Astrology goes, but I would want to be bit more careful with how I put it.
 

Ukpoohbear

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Unfortunately youre going to have to accept there are scumbags out there who are defeating you and you are already weakned by your scumbag father. Youre kinda only hurting yourself now too. I am glad you are ranting but then you need a plan of action. Your pride is hurt and even youre own father trampled over your rights in order to win, so you gonna fight for yourself now or what?
 

Ukpoohbear

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I guess houses and signs play a big role.

My Saturn and Pluto is in 12th house so that would mean that source of power and control is hidden from my view or inaccessible or unconscious. 12th house is the last house so the power isn’t as important to me. 12th house can be too giving and kind. But other ppl my age would have this aspect too and I must say I got along very well with ppl my age growing up. I only had power struggles and racism once I became an adult and had to work.

Mars in my chart is in Virgo 11th house and squares Jupiter in sag in 1st house. I find this gives me huge amounts of energy that can bottle up and explode if restricted or sedentary. If I don’t get to unleash that energy the tension can come out with irritable defensive harsh words which are used to get rid of the controlling ppl blocking me.

With your last sentence, that is exactly what I experience. I am just so nice to ppl and then after a while some will project the cruelty onto me. But that’s how some ppl are and they do it to lots of ppl. But i see it commonly in the signs opposite to mine, like Taurus and Aries. I was watching Dave schappel last night and every now and then he’d toss in an comment that was a little insulting to someone in the crowd and I would never have the guts to say that.

With the OP, the situation is common to most ppl where a sun sign squares your sun sign. Like I find most Capricorn ppl try to use me from get go. Then if I look at the sun placement, I’ve noticed the ones I get along with have sun trine my mars and sextile my Saturn. The ones I don’t get along with have sun and mercury square my sun and Pluto.

12th could mean its karmic so kind of like that situation where you feel at home with narcissistic people, maybe because you relate to how your mum sees the world. And so its your karma to live with them (poor you).

I don't think being outspoken is narcissistic because people who are emotional or sensitive are taken advantage off by narcissists and they may be outspoken when they are upset and so they are easily labelled the bad one. When you see a Libra Moon at work and how they play to perception - any chart with an upper half chart well aspected will have this too. Then if you see some darkness at the bottom half of the chart, they may project this out.

But the point is rude people are sometimes kind inside, sometimes not too lol But perception is important in deceiving people.

Also, maybe you turn your aggression inward, I know I do in order not to upset people I love. That's a 12th house thing too.

Also, the law of opposites so the 6th house is important in 12th house matters, so you may feel 6th house themes of feeling like an emotional slave to narcissism too. I'm just guessing. I don't see you as narcissistic or having had to out grow it either but your life is definitely geared towards dealing with narcissism. Same with me.

I feel AstroAssist just needs educated on how to recover from narcissism and how to love himself.
 

Abby83

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12th could mean its karmic so kind of like that situation where you feel at home with narcissistic people, maybe because you relate to how your mum sees the world. And so its your karma to live with them (poor you).

I don't think being outspoken is narcissistic because people who are emotional or sensitive are taken advantage off by narcissists and they may be outspoken when they are upset and so they are easily labelled the bad one. When you see a Libra Moon at work and how they play to perception - any chart with an upper half chart well aspected will have this too. Then if you see some darkness at the bottom half of the chart, they may project this out.

But the point is rude people are sometimes kind inside, sometimes not too lol But perception is important in deceiving people.

Also, maybe you turn your aggression inward, I know I do in order not to upset people I love. That's a 12th house thing too.

Also, the law of opposites so the 6th house is important in 12th house matters, so you may feel 6th house themes of feeling like an emotional slave to narcissism too. I'm just guessing. I don't see you as narcissistic or having had to out grow it either but your life is definitely geared towards dealing with narcissism. Same with me.

I feel AstroAssist just needs educated on how to recover from narcissism and how to love himself.

As for narcissists, they are around me because they are extended family members who triangulate as a way to stay in my life I an attempt to control and use me as a supply. I don’t ‘choose’ or accept to be around any narc. The narc chases me. The narc is more desperate. The narc needs supplies.

Astroassist is at a point of extreme hatred towards Scorpios. He/she is not at a healthy state right now and I see that as unsafe for me and a que to go... but I will make one more comment before that.
 

Abby83

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I want to talk about my son. He has lots of planets in Scorpio square Aquarius moon nearly on ascendant, squaring the nodes. He is physically and verbally abusive to me. I give him lots of love and use loads of techniques given by specialists over the years. He is very bad boy. I wish that I could one day discover a way to tame him. His biggest problem is the extreme opppositional and resistant and controlling behaviour. My twin daughters on the other hand are the sweetest angels. They were born a year later. Still Scorpios. Exactly same ascendant.
 

Ukpoohbear

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Can you see how situations happen to us given what our parents say to us and this colours the way we view the world? I remember only vaguely that your Mum has had an awful life and is a nice person, and so you have been brought up to believe that there are people capable of that and you are your mum and not one of them. For example I was told by my mum that women are witches and men need women and that is how I came to see the world. Maybe it became comfortable for you.

Looking back I can see all the unconscious messages I was receiving and how in an adult it may seem harmless but actually it colours the way we view the world.

My dad was the younger brother to his disabled sister and his dad thought it his duty to look after her and take her on dates he had which would have been very embarrassing for him but then he suddenly has to look after me when mum gets busy and I am a burden to him and I feel this rejection deeply. Now when a guy rejects me I hate him like I hate my dad lol...

Anyway, maybe you saw in your husband that he had been raised by narcissists and this somehow felt at home to you. This is not victim blaming btw, this is me understanding how energy works.

With your son and your daughters, maybe your son is modelling himself after the differences he sees, and who he is told what by what. I would definitely view it like this and don't fall in to the trap of likening him to your mother in law. Whether your son will have a karmic relationship with narcissists now I cannot guess, but I do believe the events that shape us in childhood are set in stone perfectly for our karma and it seems like this is how your story with narcissism came to be. Either way, its unlucky. I grew up with narcissism and I am glad I cam taking the time to understand it.
 
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Ukpoohbear

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Yes these are my thoughts about narcissism and energy and my experiences and yours could be completely different. There are many possibilities how things can happen and I would not want to try squeeze someone into a pre made box.
 

Whoam1

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Sometimes boxes are ok, like a cat I like to jump in the boxes and prance around, but then I jump to the next box because it's a new box. People should be more like cats.

Abby,
As a Mercurial Scorpio, I know I like to play mind tricks and I can be a bit dark in thought (Venus, Pluto, Chiron also in Scorpio). Try mind games with your son, especially if he has Mercury in this sign, give him something he can physically minuplate (fantasy card games, instruments, books).

The AC is only the outer surface but any planets near it or other angles will be a high action planets, your sun very well may be a Scorpio even if his sun isn't in that sign (find the ruling planet and it's sign early on) if it is in fact a planet in either Aquarius or Scorpio after he developes some interest in the occult let him manipulate his own natal chart.

By giving him this power your building trust with him and your teaching him that he can Control his own energy and eventually pioneer and teach him that he can't control others.
 

Ukpoohbear

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I don't think boxes are ok. I have been on the receiving end of being judged when I am in a difficult situation. For example a guy who had never met me said he felt I wore my emotions like diamonds around my neck and then another said that the pain I was going through was karma from my past life and basically deserved it.

So I feel the frustration of people telling you 'this happened to you because' and it is frustrating because they don't understand when basically you end up in a situation you did not ask for and people are telling you it is subconsciously your fault.

So I do not want to do that to somebody else at the same time as wanting to express how I feel energy works and I have put the same explanation to my own life, but that is not to say I am correct.
 
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