Abby83
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What house is the pluto conjunct Saturn in and mars square Jupiter?
My ex from a few months ago had mars square Jupiter and I could really feel the negativity of it strongly because he would want to put me down because he felt insecure and just generally was not a nice person to be around. He also has Venus in Aries conjunct the MC and I could really see the complete bullying, selfish and angry nature he had. Of course, I can be selfish too but he was basically attempting to bully me and create all this conflict so I had to finish it and he was pathetic. I would not have sex with him and he thought he was entitled to it as well, disgusting.
However, a guy I have started talking to and have known for years and is a really nice guy, also has mars square Jupiter. I'm getting to know him more just now and I cannot see him ever being the bullying type. I can see it showing up in the way he does not want to admit if he is struggling and likes to put a face of success on in public. For example, he describes himself as a tortured artist and an ex actor and published artist. He has indeed been on tv in the past and he says he is an artist because he has had a cd published. So I guess its more competitive with him. His last gf was ill a lot with manic depression and I see he has as many troubles as her because he is depressed right now, but wont admit it. Well, if that is the way mars square Jupiter shows in his chart, then it's not so bad. He also has moon conjunct Saturn and admits feeling very responsible toward people, so maybe that is what balances the energy.
Another person with mars square Jupiter and also has the conjunction between pluto and Saturn, is pretty cruel. Have you ever seen Mean Girls? She is the Regina George - everyone thinks she is popular and kind but she is also extremely bullyish to those she considers beneath her, or makes up rumours about those she is threatened by and people listen to her. The more threatened she feels, the more she wants to destroy you.
However, it is funny because I have related to your story about the narcissism around you. The energy is in your chart so maybe it is showing up in the people around you? Pluto energy is funny like that, if you don't express the darkness then the darkness is projected around you type thing?
This is interesting to see how aspects work and how they manifest depending on our behaviour. So, if you choose not to be mean or cruel, then other people are cruel to you? I don't get it lol. Maybe you have subconsciously chosen cruel people?
I guess houses and signs play a big role.
My Saturn and Pluto is in 12th house so that would mean that source of power and control is hidden from my view or inaccessible or unconscious. 12th house is the last house so the power isn’t as important to me. 12th house can be too giving and kind. But other ppl my age would have this aspect too and I must say I got along very well with ppl my age growing up. I only had power struggles and racism once I became an adult and had to work.
Mars in my chart is in Virgo 11th house and squares Jupiter in sag in 1st house. I find this gives me huge amounts of energy that can bottle up and explode if restricted or sedentary. If I don’t get to unleash that energy the tension can come out with irritable defensive harsh words which are used to get rid of the controlling ppl blocking me.
With your last sentence, that is exactly what I experience. I am just so nice to ppl and then after a while some will project the cruelty onto me. But that’s how some ppl are and they do it to lots of ppl. But i see it commonly in the signs opposite to mine, like Taurus and Aries. I was watching Dave schappel last night and every now and then he’d toss in an comment that was a little insulting to someone in the crowd and I would never have the guts to say that.
With the OP, the situation is common to most ppl where a sun sign squares your sun sign. Like I find most Capricorn ppl try to use me from get go. Then if I look at the sun placement, I’ve noticed the ones I get along with have sun trine my mars and sextile my Saturn. The ones I don’t get along with have sun and mercury square my sun and Pluto.